Oh, gapla oru post. Sleep well Rajasaranam.
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Oh, gapla oru post. Sleep well Rajasaranam.
There are apparently two sufferers.
1.TIS-USA
& 2. TM
(It looks pretty obvious that wellgate has gained at TM's expense, going by the 5 lac figure which is peanuts. And it's a strong probability that they keep IR in good humor -either by giving him film chances or money or both).
However, the suffering of TIS-USA cannot be compared with that of TM. TIS-USA is an affected party, without any say on the business of the end-product. Anyone who loaned to a venture (please read 'loan' and not 'equity') should at least be compensated by product if not money...i.e. the `japthi' style.
Here, they are asked to sell by getting for a dealer-price and then recover through the delta from end-user-price, effectively making them `sales agents'...(Even though some inexperience, lack of shrewdness, lack of discernment has landed them in this condition, it is a fact that they are the sufferers out of a collaboration with TM / IR). This is totally wrong - both legally, ethically.
It's both TM & IR (or his org) to blame for this condition of TIS-USA. That Mr Gaspar of TM states he is pained helps one to understand his feelings, but it definitely does not remedy the situation. IMO, if he has given assurance to TIS-USA of a repayment, he owes it...if needed, it should be him/TM who has to take it up with IR/whoever it takes to sort out...rather than asking the public to buy CD's to help...(It's like asking `my friend has taken away my money, I'm in trouble, oor makkaL please help me by buying from my shop, whether you need the product or not')...
As for as TM's suffering is concerned, it's all in the business. They probably are not shrewd enough to handle business matters. All this talk of `let us forgive' is just covering up what they actually lacked in running a project. TO put things simple, the project has to be either their venture with IR as an artiste -an ambitious one at that. Or it is IR's venture and TM is handling the finance. appadi reNdum illAmal kuzhambi, kuzhappi, thaLLAdi irukkiRarkaL. adhilum mid way change of agreement vERu. Having agreed to that change, now they need to go and talk to IR & fight with him instead of telling the public about them forgiving IR. That's not correct.
He says 'I have transcended'...endha vidhaththil? By dumping CD's to TIS-USA to sell? Allowing someone to happily fraud, not one individual, but an org? Is TM not an org, or is it an individual? How can he let someone go if the crime is against a public charity org? How can one `transcend' by letting that happen? This is definitely not anything against individual...to transcend above...(Or does he feel that in any case public contribution dhAnE, let some filmi guys eat it...as long as I can show myself as a puNyavAn by "forgiving in public" and not having the backbone to fight with the filmi guys in all possible legal channels?)
I could not help but smile at reading that post by TM folks.. Seems like a childish attempt - i do not know the intention - I am surprised to read that TM was ready to deal with SONY. Sony's laywers would be far more slick than IR's .. that's for sure.. Anyway I am not familiar with the details so i do not know ! so i don't want to get into that issue!
OK. Totally different Subject !! Recvd "The launch of TIS DVD" from TIS-USA - apparently it is region coded so it would not play in my Sony DVD player.. was able to watch on the PC. Is this OK or somehow my shipment got mixed up with an India Shipment ? No big deal - just curious.
Vaiko's and Rajinkantha's speech were interesting ! Especially Vaiko's where he talks about the various subsections of Thiruvasagam and the selections chosen by IR for TiS. Do not miss it. I did not know that Hindu RAM was a Western classical Music buff as mentioned by IR in his speech.
Cheers
MSK
Sony and Saregama are just thrown in to impress upon those gullible, what TM could have done and how silly IR couldn't see it. Sony wouldn't have touched TIS if they couldn't make a big profit out of it like they do normally. Neither is IR going to sit back and let Sony make a huge profit assuming that TIS has that potential (I don't think TIS is that great anyway compared to what is available in world music arena, IR fans can fool themselves into thinking otherwise) . IR might prefer to take a risk taking control over distribution himself and fail than let someone else walk all over him. TM have no experience in music production which is very evident. Are they trying to cover up their inept by coming out as victims?
"viyajr, the royalty TM have to pay is gratitude. For being given an opportunity to take part in this venture. roll on the floor laughing!"
Yes I am ROTFLing right now. And what royalty does IR have to pay TM for helping him get his TIS released, because otherwise no one was ready to touch it with a 6-feet pole and it would have still been lying in the cans gathering dust just like his symphony 1 , Moods of IR and god knows how many more other albums that have not seen the light of day.
well viyajr, from what Fr Gaspar's letter states, it appears, that TM was more keen to bend backwards to get TIS released than IR was. Looks like IR was quite happy to not release it, but TM panicked instead of playing the waiting game. So isn't it obvious that TM had more to gain from its release. If not for TIS at this point in time, what else do they have to show. Don't make it like they were in a position of granting benevelence to IR and thus do his fans a favour. Laugh on the floor to this too!!!
viyajr, why do you assume that IR is desperate to release his work (knowing him he probably thinks he is doing you a favour by releasing them). he has proved that he can withold a product indefinitely if he wants to. a true creator will be happy with his creation irrespective of whether it reaches people. we may not hear many of his creations in his lifetime or our lifetime, but if it is significant it will present itself someday. some of the great composers' music never saw the light many years but eventually did.
TM was only a tool in the hands of a sculptor, you can laugh somemore on the floor, will definitely ensure you don't get up from that floor!! make sure you are comfortable though!
I am even beginning to suspect if the letter that is supposed to have come from Fr Gaspar to Yahoo Groups is a hoax. There is nothing there to convince me that it is from him. i am quite happy to be proved wrong for a start.
"Looks like IR was quite happy to not release it, "
Yeah right, thats why he called it his life's ambition, the fulfillment of his spiritual quest, the substitute for his unreleased symphony#1 and so on.
"Don't make it like they were in a position of granting benevelence to IR "
I didnt say that, you were the one who was making it look like IR was benevolent towards TM and they in turn owe something to him.. STILL. I never said that IR needed to pay royalty to TM for helping him get his life's ambition realized.
"viyajr, why do you assume that IR is desperate to release his work "
he mentioned it clearly as his lifetime ambition and even told his fans over at yahoo club that this was to be better than symphony+1,a worthy substitute when someone asked him about symphony 1. He even talked publicly at several places about it. And with constant questions about his non-release of symphony1 you would think he would be atleast a little desperate to release it this time, especially after projecting it as his ambition and going around giving speeches for mobilizing funds.
"he has proved that he can withold a product indefinitely if he wants to. "
he has only proved his ineptness in trying to find someone to release his work. And how do you know he is really happy that his work is still unreleased?
"TM was only a tool in the hands of a sculptor"
and without which, the sculptor couldnt have made his product.
"I am even beginning to suspect if the letter that is supposed to have come from Fr Gaspar to Yahoo Groups is a hoax. '
and I am beginning to suspect that you are probably IR in disguise. I havent seen any evidence to the contrary yet.
viyajr, i'll humor you more.
Life's ambition ends with its creation, and doesn't necessarily mean that it should be released. And I don't believe in such statements either nor am i impressed with statements like ' no more rebirths' - as though he can prove this.
he didn't go around giving speeches asking for funds. from what i recall there is one supposed speech in US when he spoke about wanting to compose thiruvasagam. Was is it under duress? was is a gimmick by tis-usa and TM to convince people to donate? i give my permission for you to roll onthe floor again!!
well, the sculptor buys the tool to sculpt. but the tool cannot claim that the statue belongs to the tool. once you buy the tool, then thats where its value ends. if not this tool, then buy another. the sculptor is still supreme. want to roll on the floor again??!!