Guys
If you want to discuss social implications of Mahabharatha,please open a separate thread.Let us keep this one to stories in it,discussion about the characters and philosophical meanings etc.
Thanks everyone for your understanding.
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Guys
If you want to discuss social implications of Mahabharatha,please open a separate thread.Let us keep this one to stories in it,discussion about the characters and philosophical meanings etc.
Thanks everyone for your understanding.
I think so :? , BTW, Unga Avatar Super pa :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Surya
Dear Sudhama sir
If, as you say Mahabhratham was the fifth veda, was Ramayana the 4th veda, like you have said, Mahabhratham had 3 avatars of Lord Vishnu (Lord Krishna, Balaram and Parasuram) during these Dwapara Yuga period, I heard Maha Iswar took avatar as the Pandavas, is that true? Prior to this during the Satya Yuga Lord Vishnu incarnated as Lord Rama and Lakshman, so was Ramayana the 4th Veda?
Prior to both of these Lord Vishnu incarnated as many entities, like
1. Koorva
2. Macha
3.Narashima
4. as a Bhramin (I forgot his name)
5. Rama
6. Laksham
7. Krishna
8. Balrma
9.Parasuram
10. Kalki avatar yet to happen in Kali Yuga
is my order correct, if not please enlighten me
Dear Geno Ji
Excellent points, esp regarding rights of women during that era. Pandavas first adharma was disgustingly sharing a women with 5 brothers :x , then gambling their wife :x (this shows how addiction/blind pride and stupidity can lead one to hell), but in the war pandavas used many adharma tactics win over the kauravas, like killing the greatest warriors like Karna, Bhishma pitamah, Guru Dronacharya,Karna's son, while on the other hand Kaurava's only adharma tactic was the killing of the great warrior abhimanyu, Karna together with Dronacharya performed this illicit act.
Then comes the aswathama illicit act, I feel Aswathama's act had personal reasons (like Killing of father, dronacharya, and the disliking of the pandavas from long ago).
Where does Shrimad Bhaghavatam comes in your list, according to His Divine Grace, Sripala Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhuda, Shrimad Bhghavtam was scripted during the Mahabharatham as well, though I don't know the difference between Bhahavad Gita and Shrimad BhaghavathamQuote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Dear Mr. Raghu,
I will reply to you tomorrow. Please bear with me.
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Dear Mr. Geno,
Many Thanks for your wealthy and interesting post... giving me an opportunity to bring out the unknown or less-known or misconceived notions... even amongst the Vedic-believers...!!!...
Mahabharatham is indeed the Great Unparallel Epic of the world being the Eternal-Lesson for the Human-Society universally ... irrespective of ones Religion or some such faith.
And even on such an authentic Gospel enacted as a Drama... even the Vedic-Believers, having Religious- Faith... being Theists are raising questions and doubts
... there is no wonder in You... questioning the Rudimentary factors of the Propriety of this Epic Mahabharatha itself ..... .
In fact ..on each and every line or even word on your postings I have a lot to speak of.... because you have misunderstood them.....
But no doubt your questions are quite SENSIBLE... exhibiting your sharp Wisdom... I appreciate... my dear Geno.
After Others and I complete answering all your Volley of Questions raised so far..
.... please continue such questions further too...
Here are my Replies to your Queries...
//"Vidura" is the most healthy child of the 3 - who is also teh most knowledgeable.//
Yes... in every way by Physical-strength as an Invincible warrior, as well as of High-Wisdom (Vidhura-Neethi .. considered one of the Gospels... a part of Mahabharatha was made by him)
According to Mahabharatha... Vidhura was the incarnation of "Yama" (Dharma-raja)... who had to take birth as a Human-being facing all undue blames ... insults and shame...due to a curse on him by a Rishi who considered the Judgement rendered to him... (conviction for a pittance of fault of paltry worth... caused due to boyish ignorance in a playful attitude) was highly unfair, unjust
Accordingly Vidhura.... another character in Mahabharatha pitiably suffers.
// Krishna uses this "Shudra"ness of "Vidhura" - in a very subtle way to create doubt about him, thru the doubts of him being corrupt.//
No. .. Shudraness has nothing to do here. Even Krishna was a Shudra.... being a Yadava. Nor Krishna played any cunning game based on Caste-feelings...anywhere at any time. But the Kings, including Duryodana had such a sick-mind very much... so he totally ignored Vidhura's advices at several times. . In fact Krishna was dead-against such discriminations. He has never encouraged nor advocated in favour of any disparity amongst the Human-beings on the basis of birth... in any manner.
Indeed Krishna showed his impartiality irrespective of caste or Status... his sincere reciprocation of true-love from any corner.... by this rare gesture.
Krishna did not need Vidhura in any manner either as Friend or Enemy in the Warfield.
Infact Krishna wanted to save him from his delicate position as of Balarama his Brother... However He did not manipulate or perform any machinisation from behind with nefarious motive.. but the sincere reciprocation of whole-hearted love from Vidhura..
Vidhura did not know nor feel that Krishna was the God's incarnation. But Vidhura being an impeccable Pinnacle of Righteousness as also an Expert in all the Saasthras... saw and felt Krishna as the Embodiment of Righteousness... and an exemplary Human-being ... an all-rounder well-knowledgeable Scholarly King... who could answer and clarify on every point of doubt either on Life-codes applicable for any common man, as well as on Reign-codes pertaining to the Royals. And mainly Vidhura loved Krishna sincerely to the core of his heart.. which the latter knew well.
While Duryodana planned cunningly to drag Krishna to his side... at least to gain a partial support for him... so that in times of future need can be made use of for any mediation.... .This gesture implied no whole- hearted love ... far contrary to Vidhura towards Krishna
So when Krishna arrived at Hastinapura....exhibiting a grand pomp as if for a visiting Emperor-Guest.... pretending humbleness.... Duryodana invited Krishna....to be his Royal-guest in his palace... which the Yadava-King Krishna could identify...in comparison to the other side...
Vidhura showing his small House naming it as a Hut... as a Single man...invited without any pomp or paraphernalias normally expected to receive a King or a Learned person...
... but with a truly cheerful face, exhibiting only Sincere Regard and Affection...the Humane-Love... and nothing else.
True affection and sincerety of Vidura was reciprocally acknowledged and preferred by Krishna irrespective of simplicity... so accepted his invitation and stayed with him as his Guest... ignoring the Royal- treatment offered by Duryodana.
Whereas Duryodana felt it a shame to him... and that Vidhura made his plans a failure by inviting the same person competing with him simultaneously...
Vidhura's gesture was whole-hearted on his own self-drive of Voluntary Invitation-offer to Krishna which was duly reciprocated... to show as a Lesson for Humanity...
... that the Sincerety and True Love are the utmost important criteria for ADJUDGEMENT...
... which Quality can supersede and overweigh any other factors of Enchantments in life.
... One of the High-Lessons... through Moral-gestures... by action.. without words.
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Thank you Sudhama SirQuote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
What about Gandhari?
She was the princess of present day Gandhar.She was very dutiful wife who covered her eyes just because her husband was blind.This inspite of marrying him knowing that he was blind.
Unfortunately,she was not a good mother as Duryodhana never respected her words.
Even then,in the end,she tries to save duryodhana by asking him to come before her without wearning any clothes>she then unties the cloth which have covered her eyes.Lord Krishna again plays a trick on Duryodhana and her powerful eyes does not cover all of Duryodhana's body.
Unfortunately for her,her brother Shakuni is cunning person who ruins duryodhana completely and makes him run after wealth.
Finally,she accompanies Dhiritharashtra into the forests and burns herself up in flames by throwing her body into the fire.
Dear Viggop, Sudhama and others
Oh yes, another Adharma way of Killing, in mace fight, one is not supposed to hit the oponent below the waist line, and un armed, here this is what bhima does, he kills dhuriyodhana while he is un armed and on his thighs!
On hearing this Balram anna (as Lord Krishna fondly calls him) rushes to the seen fuming with anger towards bhima, who was ready to challenge Bhima for a fight, but Lord Krishna console balram anna about all the adharma's the kauravas did and that Dhuriyodhana deserved that.
so the point Lord Krishna is trying to get is you can not win adharma with dharma alone, at times you have to confront adharma with adharma.
what are your views friends?
... at the sabha, when the pandavas lost Draupadi in the game, Duryodhana called her and asked her to sit in his lap (thighs). Bhima took a wow then to kill him by breaking his thighs....Quote:
Originally Posted by Raghu
Oh yes, I forgot about that incidentQuote:
Originally Posted by ts