Tales of the Unexpected, anyone?

Hey hey Walrus???? Are you sure you don't believe in re-incarnation????Why not Pa???? Ain't you the mild-mannered scientist who's after logic and reason in everything you see and do???

Everything that surrounds us - isn't it a complete cycle by itself????? Decomposition????? Nitrogen Cycle?????? Rain??????? or even the existence of energy in one form or another???????

So......why not the Soul?????Goes somewhere, exist encased in some body and then either naturally or rudely gets evicted into the blue yonder again, couldn't it????? :wink:

Reincarnation is just the outcome of the karma theory(that you are what your deeds in the past life make you). Reincarnation equates man to animals - which is a fatally wrong premise. Only Buddhism, Hinduism believe in this.

man has been created vastly superior to other living beings. Animals have only five basic senses - they do not have the sense of right or wrong. While both man and animals have the 3 basic urges - urge for food, sleep, attraction to the opposite sex - only man has been capable of exercising control over these urges by practice.

Man is much more developed mentally and spiritually. To compare men and animals is fundamentally incorrect.

The basic foundation of re-incarnation is wrong - Since animals cant distinguish between right and wrong, if you were an animal in the previous birth, how can you be held accountable for your animalistic actions of that birth? :lol: :lol: It is like arresting the indian living in India using German laws.

Also, manusmriti says that salvation for a hindu is to escape this cycle of re-births, however this is possible only for certain upper castes while the rest are doomed. Thats the theory, so you can see how many holes exist in it!!

Perhaps in the animal birth, the soul takes a break and makes up the balance of the scale for the atrocities committed as human??? :D

Sure we can reason, but that only happens when one is born human. As far as the Soul is concerned, it's just moving from one body to another. Animal or human, that comparison would have no weight, if one were to equate its existance as neither punishment nor reward!

But let's just for a second think, when death occurs to both the mean-spirited and the good-hearted humans, precisely where do they go from there???? Just float around in limbo????? :wink:

Here is something I would like to share with you all. Pls.Read on:

About 6 months after my father’s death he appeared in my dreams. I was in a garden (one late afternoon) and suddenly I saw something forming in the ground and all of a sudden the earth forms into a ball and finally materializes into a man – guess who? Right! It was my father. I asked him how he was able to come out from the earth to which he replied that we are formed from the earth and we shall go back to earth. He has gone back to the earth but has come back to see me (don’t know whether this makes any sense!). :oops:

I began to talk to him as normal and when I went forward to kiss him – he stopped me ½ way from doing so saying that I shd not come close to him. I asked why as a daughter that I shd not kiss him and he replied that I would not understand it and that I shd not question him anymore. I was disappointed. He enquired about the family. I told him that we miss him and that he shd come back home as soon as possible. :cry:

He told me that it was impossible as he is no more living in our world but he is now residing in another place. He then told me he will show me exactly what happens when someone dies. All of a sudden I was lifted up from the ground ( by some force) and I was shown the scene of his death – in his bedroom. He was lying down on his bed grasping for breath - with all of us surrounded – I could even see myself too. :cry:

He said he saw himself lying on the bed as his soul left the body and all of us crying and hugging him – asking him not to go. He said he was equally sad but he was helpless and was not in a position to do anything about it. He said when a life leaves the body a light comes along to guide it and take it back to where it came from originally. :shock:

He told me he would take me for a short travel – and I felt myself very light lifted off the ground and flying over the snow-capped Himalayan Mountains. I could see mountain peaks below and the dark blue sea - the ice-cold breeze hitting my face. I was flying through clouds with my father. I was not in a helicopter or a plane but in the open air hundreds of feet above sea level – going in a terrific speed - but as light as a feather. Simply incredible! :)

Finally we reached a mandir where I could hear some holy bhajans going on in the background. People were all playing the sitar and singing some hymns and reciting some mantras. A man came out from the mandir wearing a dhoti and a string across (like a Brahmin priest) and my father introduced me to him as his daughter from the previous birth. He acknowledged me but told me that I shd not step into the mandir. Only my father followed him in. I waited outside the temple and observed the huge pillars with some intricate carvings. Meanwhile my father and the priest were engrossed in some conversation but I was not able to hear anything even though the distance was quite near. :shock:

After a few minutes my father came back and told me that he has to send me back home and he has to return in time or else the door will be closed and he won’t be able to return at all. At the same time if the door closes before we cross the line, I would be trapped there instead which means I won’t be able to return to my body. (I did not understand what door he was talking about for I did not see any door). :shock:

He advised me not to call him always or say that I want to follow him, as he gets hurt with my words and actions. He says everything is in the hands of God. After leaving me back in my home he bides goodbye and just left without any sort of emotion.

I woke up feeling so strange and very disappointed but at the same time happy for having spent an evening with my late father. :lol:

Is this what we call Astral Travel or was my sub-conscious mind playing some tricks? :roll:

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SONU GOPI :cry: :cry:

sonu chechi,
touching story, thanks.
cant tell for sure on the interpretation.

but one thing is sure - dreams are always the result of our subconscious mind. Our thoughts make our dreams, they need not be reality.

I studied in the same home for 14 years. Though its over 10 years since I shifted, every one of my dreams today happens in my old home. :lol: :lol: Its because in those days I was desperate that I should do all things perfectly.

Interestingly during the semester, almost regularly i get dreams of my exams. But during the week of exams all of my dreams are about my home and nothing related to exams. This is because though I am studying all the time, my subconscious mind wants to go to some other place :lol: :lol:

sonu chechi,
it is obvious that you were very close to your dad, much much more than the average person would be. That is why you are able to see him in everything.

there was a friend whose contact i lost 13 yrs back. I had been to his house but the area has now changed a lot and I dont know anyone else who might know him. often i dream that I am roaming around his area and finally locate him. I then quickly ask his ph no so as not to lose him - he writes it down on a paper. I make it a point to memorise that(in real life i know over 75 ph nos by heart), so in the dream, I am peering very close into the paper and repeating it aloud. however i can only see the first 2 digits, the rest are blurred and I wake up murmuring the first 2 digits and "asking" my friend what are the rest :lol:

hehehewalrus i have similar dreams...i dont know if this is relevant but in one of the batman cartoon episodes batman is put in a mindcontrol machine where he is trapped in a dream made up with his desired life..he only knows it's a dream because he cannot read anything fully...anyways i always have a dream where i walk home from grade school but the path always changes right before my eyes...i know for sure it is a very easy path and once i turn the corner i can see my building but still i always end up going thru the creek which i was forbidden to do so to get home...i guess this is just a desire to go where i was forbidden even though so many others have gone and come out safely...though it was dangerous...i also know the dreams plays on a childhood event..i was always the child that got lost..however much didnt want to be i would just become so afraid i would not be able to think straight...so i guess it is both those elements in that dream coming together...
Sonu Gopi, really i think that is what astral projection is...but i think it is also what hehehewalrus has commented...it is something you very badly want...so this may have encouraged this contact or even let you believe in this contact...but more so it has left you happy has it not? Then let things be, and thank yourself for sharing it with us....again we really appreciate it... :D

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Originally Posted by Querida

Sonu Gopi, really i think that is what astral projection is...but i think it is also what hehehewalrus has commented...it is something you very badly want...so this may have encouraged this contact or even let you believe in this contact...but more so it has left you happy has it not? Then let things be, and thank yourself for sharing it with us....again we really appreciate it... :D

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Yes, Querida it has left me happy and sad as well. Life is full of unsolved mysteries.....during that time I never knew what astral travel was all about neither did I know of light guiding the soul across.

A few years back an aunt of mine was at her death bed and she was heard telling her children that a bright little light was near the door way waiting for her......couple of hrs later she passed away.

My mum told me a few days ago that my dad spoke of a light waiting for him in his room. He kept asking her about the light and she told him that there was no such light in the room. It seems he was very upset. I only knew of this now - so I remembered the dream and decided to share my little experience with all of you.

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SONU GOPI

This happened to my family early in the 90s. I think it was in 1993. That year was the 5th anniversary of my paternal grandmother's death. What happened was on the morning of the day, when my mom opened the door early in the morning around 6AM to go outside, 2 huge butterflies flew inside the house. These butterflies were HUGE. Wider than the palm of my hands. The butterflies flew around my father and just stayed in the house. My mom told me that they are my grandfather and grandmother whom came back for one final time to see the family. When I woke up, I was still in school back then, I was so scared just looking at those butterflies. There was something different about them. Suffice to say, when I came back in the evening, they were gone.

I really wondered if that indeed was grandpa & grandma. Is it a form of transportation when people are on the other side of world? Very strange and disturbing to think what might happen when people die. Is there heaven or hell? Will I return back to earth or disappear forever?

Another strange incident is when sister when for a camping trip in a forest in Selangor. The guide told her that during the night, if you hear a call for your name, ignore it and don't make an attempt to seek the voice out. It seems that there are "beings" in the jungle who would lure a person by calling their name and generally keeping them in jungle with no escape. Kinda strange but my sister kept to the advise but she told that she could feel presence of beings on top of the trees in the forest and these beings could capture the names of people by hearing on the conversation among the people in the group and later to trap people by calling out for them.

It was early morning about 5.00 am beginning of the Year 2001, I had dream and heard a voice saying that IT was going to take away my two sons away and to that I responded that by the blood of Jesus they will be saved. I have never said such a statement before in my life however I sensed a comforting feeling like the lord saying I will take care of that. I woke up and went to the wash room to get ready to work and I totally forgot about the voice or the statement that I had said in my dream.

I came out of my wash room and my second son who was only 1-½ years old woke up crying. I went to the bedroom to carry him and realised that he had a stomach upset and that he had passed motion so my husband and I decided to wait and see before going off to work. We took him to the doctor and left him with my mum to go to work about 10.00 am but it was hardly five minutes my mum called us to come back home saying that our son was suddenly looking pale and that she was getting uncomfortable. When we saw him, true enough he was very weak and was just lying on his coat without many movements.

We rushed our son to the a private hospital as he was purging and was becoming very weak, the pediatrician took a blood test and informed us later in the afternoon that he had been attacked by a some kind of virus and there is no medication for that except for putting him on drips and said that he would not want to treat our son if the condition worsened and warned that we might need to take him to the government hospital.

Only when the doctor said that my son was in a serious condition, I remembered about my dream that I had that morning and shared it with my husband. I called our friends, the pastor and his wife, doctor friend and another good friend of mine who had silently prayed for my cervical recovery before my healing.

Within one hour, my friend and her husband were at the hospital praying over my son and me and my mother and dad were totally shocked to see that. My parents were totaly unaware about my recovery from cervical spondilosis or that we had stopped praying at home or going to temples. My friend and her husband said that it was time for my husband and myself to make a decision which way we wanted to follow and that we cannot be sitting on the fence and the same statement was passed by the pastor and his wife.

My husband was still undecided until my eldest son who was 3 and ½ years had the same attack. I vowed to follow the way of the lord and my husband too with full heart asked the lord to heal our children. I remembered about my vision and the voice saying that IT wanted take away my sons however I just kept confessing the statement which I had unknowingly mentioned in my dream “ By the blood of Jesus they will be saved. I just asked GOD to protect my sons and heal them and to remove the fear of the doctor so that he will treat my sons in the hospital as I could not imagine myself spending nights at the government hospital.

Every night Pastor and his wife came over to the hospital and prayed over our children and at the same time my friends were also praying and after 5 days both my sons walked out of the hospital like nothing happened.

Once we were back home, my husband made a decision and stand that no matter what, he wanted to follow the path of the LORD [deleted].

We did not question GOD why my children was suffering instead we knew that they will be healed just like how I was and trusted the LORD.