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Plum..astute observation. IR is more concerned with the "concept" than with the details...same goes for sound ..it takes a backseat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
In software terms, he gives high priority to "Design/Architecture"(backend) more than the "User interface".
We are in violent agreement that both should be there. But some people would like to use this to ..whatever..
Another song which will be quite difficult to "port" - moondRAm piRai's narikkadhai :-)
Even kaNNe kalai mAnE is very custom made and one would find it extremely difficult to port into another movie / situation, despite the song belonging to a standard genre (lullaby).
While 'yEh zindagi' got shipped as 'en vAzhvilE', it would have been very difficult to move 'poongAtRu, pudhidhAnadhu' to another movie.
Only vAnengum thanga vinmeeNkaL & pon mEni uruguthE could have been easily placed in other movies as such.
BM / Kamal / IR - genius combo!
Did they do any other movie together?
Nari kadhai had a different tune in hindi(ek dafa ek jungal tha - pretty ordinary). It wasn't and isn't even noticed. Actually, this should give the clue that ir-bm were trying some sort of customiztion in sadma. I suspect gulzar might have had some inputs, too, and if my reading is correct, that would show ir's respect for gulzar's stature. The nari kadhai especially even sounds like tuned for gulzar's lyrics. I think you have to earn ir's respect as a lyricist. While vm deserved to earn this, I think their personal differences might have killed that relationship. This is being extended to make it sound like ir doesn't respect *any* lyricist
Was watching the 'poonkadavE thaL thiravAi' song yesterday. In the second interlude the instruments make a bubbling type of sound and later the violins slowly build up. On screen, there heroine goes inside the water, bubbles come up and later the heroine in slow motion emerges from the water. The violins so perfectly match the scene. Here is one song where you do not know if the director explained the scene is full detail or inspired by the interlude he matched the scene perfectly. My guess is the former.
one doubt :) final touch-up'la ... i mean while bgm'ing, maaththiyirukkalaam illayaa ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
ps: ariyaa siruvan(me) thappaa pEsiyirundhaa mannichchikkonga.
Sarna,
I doubt it because this is not something which seems added on and fits the flow of the song very well. I am not sure if they change much as far as the song is concerned in the bgm but I could be wrong. I have no clue on the recording techniques but my feeling is this song was definitely constructed fully and something was not added later.
'poongathavE, thAzh thiRavAi' - I don't think there's any addition to the song for the "on-screen version". It's the same as in the record.
It's not surprising considering this is the 7th movie where IR-BR were colloborating (and perhaps the best songs in that combo ever) & their friendship / alliance etc. is not unknown here.
Personally, I don't like the picturization of 'poongathavE' (or any song of nizhalgaL - may be 'pon mAlaippozhudhu' isn't too bad but other two were poor IMO).
Was listening to 'vanitAmaNI' from Vikram. I noticed that in the first charanam, after the first two lines, when Janaki starts sings 'idhayam thathom' the percussion instruments cease playing!!! The guitars play in the background and almost simulate the heartbeat. The charanam then proceeds without any percussion instruments backing it, only the guitar backs the charanam throughout. The second charanam though has the drums playing along. Any clue on what happens onscreen that made Raja do this? Or did he orchestrate for 'idayam thathom' part? It has been a long time since I watched this movie. I had to rewind the tape a couple of times to be sure that there no percussion instrument playing!!! The song flows so well that you don't realize it!!
BTW, for those who are missing the Raja of 'vanitAmaNI' I suggest you listen to 'nilavu varun nEram' from JM. He is still as youthful as he was when he gave music for Vikram. It is just that many of us refuse to come out of the 80s!!
It is true and it has been bothering me for sometime now. Even I find it intriguing that each time I tried identifying the exact point when it stopped, the flow of the song was such that I never could exactly identify when the percussions stop.
In fact there is another song.. and it is only coincidental that it stars Kamal again. This time the song is the evergreen 'Idhayil kadhai ezhudhum' from unnal mudiyum thambi. Try to follow the rhythm in the chararam... when the songs go to its peak in the charanam, at some point the percussions stop suddenly and you hear only Chitra (or SPB) singing... interesting!!!
sivasub,
Coincidentally I saw another song on TV yesterday which had similar characteristics. It was the 'mANkuyilE' song from 'Karagatakaran'. Towards the end of the charanam the percussion stops and the beat is provided by keyboard/guitar. The backing is totally western here but the song being sung is Tamil folk. Not for a minute do you feel the absence of percussion instruments nor for a minute do you feel this is anything other than a folk song. Raja is the master weaver who can weave so many threads together and come up with a unified design.