As in HeyRam where it was spread all over that its an anti-Mahatma and resulted in a ban when it was very much pro Mahatma, here we dont want to spread anti this or anti that. Let the movie come first please ...
As in HeyRam where it was spread all over that its an anti-Mahatma and resulted in a ban when it was very much pro Mahatma, here we dont want to spread anti this or anti that. Let the movie come first please ...
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Uthama Villan..Still
What is the problem with producers of Uthama Villain? Atleast they should have released the trailers by now or audio release,atleast 1 thing should have happened by now..you cant keep on test the patience of fans when shooting of 3 movies are completed..We can understand the reason behind delay of Vishwaroopam as its high budget oscar production who is already facing problem in releasing 'I'..It seems Papanasam will release before Uthavillain..
If they dont release trailer or audio launch sooner then they will lose the momentum among common public,anwway kamal fans will be eager at any cost but beyond that..Release trailer by end of nov,audio launch by dec 15 and movie by christmas,jan1..
KH has clearly said it'll be UV that is releasing first. Then comes Papanasam and later VR-2. Not sure why nothing much has happened in the other fronts like audio, teasers etc. Maybe they're giving space for Linga's promotion. Release of all his 3 movies will be in the early part of 2015.
but at least a gap of 50 days should be maintained....all the movies are sure shot hit to blockbuster if releasing planned well...
Yes.. Why no audio launch !!
That too, inspite of the music director himself feeling the music of UV is the better one among these three !
I feel many will wait for 3 months between one and another but release one movie first..If uthama villain is not released immediately within pongal '15 then I am sure papanasamQuote:
Originally Posted by leosimha
will release first mostly by jan end..Malayalam producers wont wait for long time to make or release the movie and wide angle creations will take very short time..Also its remake/less budget movie so they don't need to wait for solo release or with 1000's of prints..
cant avoid the comparison. linga started while papanasam shooting started. now all three movies are in PP with no audio, trailor etc but see there..trailor, audio launch nu thool parakkudu. :fatigue:
+1. Exactly same feeling... The producers Sripriya / Wide Angle creations would be interested in releasing the movie asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by USV
When Uttama Villain started it was told as August release, now it is being rumoured as Pongal release...Quote:
Originally Posted by Unmai Vilambi
I too feel the same. Time is money. More the delay, higher the required BO returns !Quote:
Originally Posted by Unmai Vilambi
There is no doubt UV will be a much better movie than Linga. But if it is claimed that UV is getting delayed because it is a "bigger" movie than Linga, the BO results also need to be bigger.
Otherwise I do not see any logical reason behind the release getting delayed.
My guess is that VR2 and PN will cross 100C, but UV will not !
So by end of next year Nammavar will have 4 100C+ movies :-)
"There is no doubt UV will be a much better movie than Linga"..romba kusumbu sir, started a debate..now wait for torrents. (i do also feel the same. it will be full of masala for his fans which will be promptly forgotten after two years)
"My guess is that VR2 and PN will cross 100C, but UV will not"..but i will interchange PN and UV. PN is normal family thriller which will surely a hit but not mass. but UV has all potential to be a BB.
"So by end of next year Nammavar will have 4 100C+ movies".. lets hope
Frankly speaking Papanasam BO collections will not cross 100C,reason the remake already released in AP,KA..In KL however the movie will have grand opening eventhough its remake but in AP it will not..It will be released with minimum prints in AP,KA..Quote:
Originally Posted by pushpak
I am expecting 50-80 crores collection and if that happens then its a blockbuster and everyone will be very happy..Its not a high budget movie and maximum production cost will be 5 crores ignoring Kamalhaasan salary..
Vishwaroopam definitely will cross 100 C and it has all the potential to cross 200C even considering the producers ability to reach very wide and fans eager to watch part2 after watching the stunning visuals/fight scenes in part1....
Uthamavillain is 50-50 to cross 100C because we even cant sense whether it will be commercial and classical or both like papanasam/VR..like anbe sivam or aboorva sagotharargal in terms of commercialism,need to wait and watch
UV will either be a big hit or a big flop. Let's hope it turns into a big hit. Main reason cited for UV delay is the amount of graphics work which seems to have been underestimated initially.But, there is also some financial angle to this, I am sure. An audio/trailer release in December should help the movie to come out in January. Kamal has been in the news a lot lately with so many interviews etc. This is the ideal time to wrap up any pending work and move ahead with the release. I am hoping for the best.
Even if PN clicks 75% of the way the original clicked, it will cross 100+C.
It became the highest all time grosser in Malayalam. So if we take even 50% of the highest collected movie in Tamil, it is still 100+ !
As it is not a typical "mass movie", enough gap should be there between PN and the next release. It will be a long run movie.
My concern with UV is ... Let me do not worry too much about it now !
But what we need at the moment is solid&finalized release dates for these 3!
isnt he the highest grosser in TFI including his hits in other languages and accounting for inflation .....Quote:
Originally Posted by pushpak
anways the present is always is short lived ,what matters is after 100 yrs when this era is talked about ....who is talked about is what matters ( B.O collection or anything of that matter will be immaterial but the works will remain and nammavar has the versatility and content to stand the test of time )
we dont talk about the blockbusters of the 1940s or the 1930s - but we talk about the metropolis's of those worlds.....
:)
Box office just elevates the stardom and makes actor survive for years..Naseerudin shah is best actor in Hindi but he is nowhere close to top actors..there are many actors who gave great movies but didnt survive long because of Box office issues..recent example - Rudhraiya directed only 2 movies..why? aval appadithaan flopped and so he didnt get chance to direct movies further..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasc
If kamalhaasan makes movies like Rajaparvai,Guna continuously without purely commercial movies like AS,MMKR then he would havent survived for 50 years in industry..
In that sense he is very smart..Making movies like Anbe sivam,Vishwaroopam and in between movies like dasavatharam,Papanasam which makes him always in the top hero list..
What you are saying is 100% right. But being a hardcore fan and seeing Nammavar ruling BO for decades, that too 2 decades being clear number one in terms of long runs and openings, I still care for BO :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasc
while we have been discussing about BO figures...if any of you have interacted with Kamal....let me know one thing...do you think that Kamal seriously cares for BO figures....
he will definitely bother, if the movie made money or not.. i dont think he will be much bothered, if it made more money than a masala movie..Quote:
Originally Posted by leosimha
Nammavar himself repeatedly says that, the happiest he feels is when more people watch the movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anban
But yes, he may not be bothered by "biggest hit ever" tag etc.
But I am bothered :-)
Nothing wrong with that feeling. That is the minimum ego satisfaction every fan expects. I felt euphoria in 1992 and opposite in 1995 (BO wise, not for content)Quote:
Originally Posted by pushpak
For me it started by around 1980 and it still continues :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Unmai Vilambi
what do fans expect from Kamal's films in terms of BO success ?
1. should the movie be critically acclaimed as well as successful at the BO ?
2. how does one define BO success ?
3. is that a question of ratio of money invested versus money collected ?
4. if a movie makes money, how much should it make to call it a commercial success ? would it be enough if the movie just breaks even ?
BO figures matter but in days of internet, unless there is a balance sheet, I sincerely doubt the 100Cs, 200Cs reports.
Recent Dr. Joseph padam claims they made this C that C, but neither director or producer are giving proofs. I can also give tweets like Leengaa made 500C in 10 hours, and fans will retweet. Height of exaggeration. I am expecting repeat performance from AndhraBoxOffice and other "vetti" social media handlers when Leengaa arrives. When Aameer khan's PK releases 2 weeks following it, we can expect even greater naansense numbers from that gumbal.
As long as Kamal & investors are happy with the returns, I call that a success. Else, it is loss.
I am sure it will be different from fans to fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
For me :
1. No.
If it is made for commercial purpose, BO success only matters.
If it is made for “art”, no one should lose money (producer, distributer etc). Lack of huge profits does not matter.
Recently a great movie was made in Malayalam in around 30 days. It might have cost 2 crores. But made good profits to the producer/distributor along with getting selected for multiple awards/film festivals.
The key is to make such movies within budget.
2. how does one define BO success ?
Everyone associated with the movie, release and theatres get good profits.
3. is that a question of ratio of money invested versus money collected ?
Yes. But we should add the actor’s remuneration (for his/her salary for a commercial movie) to the cost.
For example, if Linga is done in 3-4 months and Uthama villain takes more than an year, I expect Uthama villain to collect much more than Linga !
4. if a movie makes money, how much should it make to call it a commercial success ? would it be enough if the movie just breaks even ?[/QUOTE]
I am not an expert. But I think it depends on the star value. If two movies are made with exactly the same cost 80C. If one has Kamal and the other one is some XYZ other than Rajini, I expect Kamal movie to make more profits.
"As long as Kamal & investors are happy with the returns, I call that a success. Else, it is loss. "
Sir, arumaiga soninga :)
Amir Khan said the same - "If I say my movie made 300C, without checking the fact, you guys (media) will simply publish it. WHo validates all these figures !"Quote:
Originally Posted by nickraman
Good points Pushpak.Quote:
Originally Posted by pushpak
Looks like Lingu & Kamal don't want to compromise on the quality. Probably want to do lot more in CG / Post production than their initial expectation. Would be happy if they can release by Pongal or a week prior to that.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3LuB5ECcAAqj-S.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by rsubras
Good points there Pushpak. It is imperative that every body associated with the movie makes profit. There can be no greater an encouragement for artists than a work of good art being appreciated. And with respect to films, it is through the profit it makes during its run. In that regard, I always find Kamal's recent so called 'commercial' ventures to be double whammies. There is enough fodder in each of his films for people to get intrigued. However a peculiar case is that of Manmandhan Ambu. The film was all fine till it decided to take a detour towards comedy at the end. The film for all you know may have been recieved a lot better had it completely used the audience's investment on the characters or the drama. Not only was Nisha (Trisha) confused at the end, so were the audience. Just hopeful that Uttama Villain doesn't thread this line. But even if it did ,I am sure there would be something for a guy like me to be intrigued at.
WoW..Quote:
Originally Posted by Siv.S
This is the problem which also happened during Manmadhan Ambu days.. Initially not much expectation.. But stills escalate the expectations...
Box office performance dictates your brand and standing amongst producers, financiers, and other commercial machinery. Kamal establishes his top rating here only next to Rajini due to this criteria. Whereas Kamal as a brand among his fans and others (general public) is only due to his experimental and critical ventures. He has been for long trying to strike an effective compromise between the two and is rather rare to hit both the same time. Something worth saying here is that while he goes out to do a commercial flick, a failure as in MMA is sort of a setback because he got neither - a box office performance or a critically acclaimed. Hopefully he tries to avoid such ventures. A reasonable commercial movie with ingredients may be necessary every once a while to make sure everybody is happy ....
While exact numbers in crores are in doubt, a movie's success and failure are quite evident. There's some degree of legitimacy with respect to BO reports in US, UK, Malaysia and other countries. We do know Endiran, VR, Thuppakki, Aarambam, Kaththi, Billa etc. have been successful ventures with some in the top draw setting records.
I hope that skipping Dasavatharam was not deliberate :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
Absolutely not Pushpak! Dasa is in the top list/BB category .. Its an example of a commercial movie with most ingredients like comedy, action, emotions (first 15 min) etc. to keep many happy. I liked VR more though and happy for its success.Quote:
Originally Posted by pushpak
Was just kidding. Cool !Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by nickraman
I agree...Manmadhan Ambu clearly his poorest movie quality wise in recent years. Dasavathaaram comes next, but it can be allowed to pass since it raked the moolah.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
-1. MMA is a good movie where Sangeetha, Trisha, Madavan and Kamal got noteworthy performances and its a clean family-romatic-fun entertainer. If someone find the last 15/20 minutes of the movie boring, I could understand. Nevertheless, the whole movie execution is very good. Recently I watched it and the first half just completed before you realize it. Such a feel good plot and KH's screen play and dialogues prove once again why he is unique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arvind Srinivasan