Guys pls Kamal & Shivaji r not related to this thread by any mean, so don't compare Shivaji & Kamal here.........so was Rajni, but he had comparisons with MGR........ :roll:
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Guys pls Kamal & Shivaji r not related to this thread by any mean, so don't compare Shivaji & Kamal here.........so was Rajni, but he had comparisons with MGR........ :roll:
still this was better than others raising their hands with cigar between their fingers :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
Nilavu,Quote:
Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
Hope you know how much I love kamal,just like you..Even if it is true that kamal own twice 'Best actor ' award asian level ,it won't match 'Chelaviar' ,which is more prestegious from France after 6 years of research they decided to give it to sivaji ,and 'asian-african award.
Btw,I thought kamal movies got award in asian level ,not kamal as an actor got award..If you give more details and links ,if any ,I will be happy to read it as a kamal fan.
If I started to write how sivaji is more in height ,it will go on and on .I will be happy if kamal reaches sivaji's height ..But till now ,it has not happened and i bleive it won't happen..even kamal knows ,not reaching sivaji's height ,even reaching to the level of sivaji's successor is the achivement..Kamal is very proud about it.
:thumbsup: @ tacinema.. the most sensible post..
I can just :rotfl: when someone says MGR can act.. and thirumaaran thanks for tickling me :lol:
also as Joe had said KH is yet to reach the heights of shivaji in acting.. RK is any day better than MGR when it comes to acting.. we need not take 6-60 etc.., as examples.. even a athisiyap piRavi is enough :)
and balaji USV???????? never had I seen a dumb movie being elevated to extraordinary levels :lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamal_Haasan
joe....see this link..kamal have won best actor award!
shivaji got shevazhiye at 70
kamal have a long time
there's nothing to worry about, nilavuQuote:
Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
Kamal has time
but the fact is, he's the best NOW :notworthy:
Nilavu,Quote:
Originally Posted by nilavupriyan
Thanks for the link.I am happy about it.
sivaji won 'Best asian-african actor' award in 1956 for Veerapandiya kattabomman .'Chevaliar' award is for not any particular movie ,but for his life time achivement.
Btw,have you noticed one strange thing ..Both sagara sangamam and swathi muthyam didn't bring him national award ,but international award as an actor ..same way 'Veera pandiya kattabomman' brought sivaji 'asian-african' best actor award ,but not national award.
National awards are much influenced by politics and lobby .
nageswara roa got dada sake palke award when PV narasimma rao was PM ,Rajkumar got dadasake palke award when Devakowda was PM ..Sivaji (Nageswara Rao and rajkumar treated sivaji as their guru and they know they can't match sivaji in any aspect) got this award later only ,delay is because of politics and there was no lobby in centre.So I don't have much respect for National awards..It is obivous when sivaji couldn't get one when MGR managed to get one.
I don't want to argue further ,since there is no scale to measure acting ability,it is one's individual opinion ..even people people can argue ramarajan is better actor than sivaji ,who can stiop them .
In my opinion Kamal hassan is best all rounder in cinee industry so far ,but as an actor ,he is second to sivaji.
Vaatiyarai patti yaarum kathaikathingo...
And Regarding MGR and rajini..
Rajini is surely better in acting compare to MGR ,whereas MGR is better all rounder compare to rajini.
Even though Rajini and MGR almost equal in entertainment and crwod pulling ,Rajini's fans are more rasigars ,whereas MGR fans are more Paktharkal.
Both MGR and rajini has their own unique way of attracting mass .MGR's popularity among people is unbeleivable ,apart from his political influence.
Good thing about rajini is ..even though he follows MGR's foosteps as a mass entertainer ,Rajini didn't follow MGR style of acting ,but he follows his own style,that is why he is succesful
MGR is a great director, Great Screenplay writer and Great Editor himself..
patha vacha thee nalla pathikiche....
Hi all shivaji fans,
Every one has limitations in some area....
if you see shivaji's action movies, it would be very horrible.
shivaji's expression would be very worst.
Have you seen shivaji's early 80's movies like 1)pattakathi pairavan,2)Tharmaraja 3)Theerppu etc?
He could not survive in 80's trend. all his movies bombed badly in BO and ran only 2 or 3 week.
only MM did well in BO.
So is it mean that Shivaji was not good actor?
some one have said that MGR was poor in dancing,acting etc..
in 60's nobody(heroes) has dancing talent.
but in 'adaludan padalaikketten'(kudiirundhal koil) song he did extremely well.
in acting I agree that in character role shivaji was better than MGR.
but it is not mean that MGR was zero in character role.
That time he was not interested to character role. he prefered only action movies.rarely he did some movies like
panakkara kudumbam and Anbe vaa etc...
Hi Rajini fans...
Please don't tell that Rajini acted well in 6 to 60,mullum larum puvan etc.
any one can do that role.
IMO Sivakumar acted well than Rajini kanth.
Have you seen Rosappu ravikkaikari, sindhu pairavi etc...
Bhagyaraj has acted well in oru kai osai,mouna geethangal,andha 7 naatkal etc...
Rajini is just like that...
Don't compare MGR with Rajini at any aspect...
50,60's and 70,80's are totally different trend.
can you imagine Rajini in any Raja get up like what MGR did in NM,mahadevi and kanchi thalaivan etc..?
ippo Rajini-ya andha getup-la ninaikkum podhu enakku sirippu thanga mudiyale....
Every one knows the dancing talent of Rajini.:lol:
Don't compare mass appeal of MGR with Rajini..
in 70's TN population was 4 crores where as now population was around 8 crores.
MGR never did movie for every 4 years.
every year he released 3 to 4 movie minimum.
80% of MGR movies became super dooper hit....
MGR became mass hero due to his talent.
Rajini became mass hero due to his luck.
Rajaram,
Unnecessarly you are calling sivaji fans ,while no sivaji fan degrade MGR here ,even I praised MGR.
Sivaji failed in some action movies(no actor is exception) ,but he succeed in many action movies too ,but MGR attempted sivaji type movies and failed miserably and never attempt to do the same (Eg Pasam ,Petral thaan pillaiya are somehow sivaji type movies which are flops)
Sivaji was director's actor ,who never interfere other's job .in 80's many directors gave carp movies with sivaji,which are low level compare to sivaji's credibility ..Only Bharathiraja and Kamalhassan gave him roles suits his calibre and the world knows how he excelled in that shut the mouth of his critics blaming him he is doing drama act.
Joe,
Here I am not degrading Shivaji. I am talking about the fact. read my post once again.
Can you give atleast 5 movies?Quote:
but he succeed in many action movies too.
un beleievable fact about MGR.
since malaikallan(1952) to MMSP(1977), he maintained the same size body.
if u say that sivakumar is a better actor than RK, then MGR cant even hold a candle to prashant when it comes to acting :rotfl:
I know pretty well that SK is a good actor but u saying that RK dint act well in 6-60 et all shows how good is the quality of your other arguments, so its better to stay away from you :rotfl:
cant sivakumar perform 6 irundhu 60 varai?
can rajni perform a sindhu bairavi? :roll:
God....
I just opened the net and found 6 pages !! great guys...
Now back to Stranger .....
Dear Stranger
Please explain the 2 scenes of RK movies :
1. The super model taxi ( Lakshmi ) in Padikaadhavan and RK regularly chatting with that Lakshmi
2. In rajavukku raja naandhaan song, the tax goes up and down climbing like anything and getting down so easily over buildings
3. The Valparai varadhan in Rajadhi raja doing all PC sircar type magic
IS THERE IS ANY LOGIC IN RK MOVIES ??
Besides, there are dozens of RK movies without any logic....
IMO, for RK MM, moonRu mudichchu, baatsha are THE best and those roles can be done only by him .. 6-60 isnt anything special and I can qoute a few KH roles which can be done by others..
only 3 movies in 30 year film career? :lol:
Nilavu
IMO 6 to 60 was not that great acting by RK. There are better movies of RK....
It was a nice story which RK acted and thats it....
Honestly, there was nothing special in RK's acting in that movie except that there were no fight scenes and his customary cigarette style or any mannerism....
I think RK did better as Raghavendra ...a diametrically opposite role for his traits and style......he did extremely well....
Another movie could be Netrikann....
RK playing a comedy role could be from Thillu mullu ....I enjoy watching the senior guy character...pretending to be very innocent
I already gave a list of 20+ best movies of rajini where he showed his acting skills in some other thread.. also I would be surprised if those MGR-hailers (more than that RK-bashers) can come up with atleast 3 movies where MGR has *acted*
Probably the best action movie for RK could be BAADSHA.....
For old timers, it was BILLA
Another thing IMO, whenever RK and KH had acted together, RK had excelled and had outperformed KH ...
I mean RK's role was more popular compared to KH's
that depends on role!Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
normally a cameo will reach the audience than the main role :huh:
in gf1 evryone liked sonny charecter than vito corleone!..thats natural!
Nilavu has given THE answer !Quote:
Originally Posted by S.Balaji
KH was the HERO in those movies, so he was more often doing the same routine whereas, RK had secondary/villanic/cameo roles , which naturally made his role more interesting.....Ofcourse, had Sivakumar or Jayshankar done those RK roles, it wouldn't have been received like this...RK's star value, & his charisma & presence , which quite equals KH's , made it quite different from others.......
Still there r exceptions like 16 vayathinile, which, CHAPPANI , stands as the hallmark for fine acting & versatility yet !!!
Replace RK with tamil and there wont be any difference.... I can point atleast 10 logical errors in any tamil movie I have seen.. more in RK/MGR movies.. but who cares as long as its entertaining :)Quote:
IS THERE IS ANY LOGIC IN RK MOVIES ??
Exactly! Why people are searching logic in entertainers? I am not sure! Anyways they are not going to give award like Oscar then why you need logic?Quote:
Originally Posted by kasi_sce
What does that mean? :rotfl: doesn't that sound ridiculous ?? Sure, any tamil film could have a logic mistake atleast, but they should try to eliminate such obvious pitfalls and produce more sensible.....
Then why do u pan Thiruppaachis ? :huh:
This is what I precisely wanted from you Kasi...Quote:
Originally Posted by kasi_sce
WHEN YOU ARE ANALYSING BOTH MGR AND RK MOVIES PURELY ON ENTERTAINMENT BASIS, THEN IMO, MAKKAL THILAGAM MOVIES ARE STILL STILL FAR MORE ENTERTAINING EVEN TODAY COMPARED TO RK MOVIES OF YESTER YEARS...
Will you see the old masala movies of RK now ?? Kalee, Billa etc etc are not to be seen around but MGR movies are still being seen extensively
Def not! Well lets take movie called "Avvai Shanmughi" it is an entertainer.Well dont you think there is no logical mistake at all? Guna is something very classic not entertainer.We dont need any logic at all because its a class movie.If you direct movie with all classical stuff then Kollywood would turn out to Malayalam cine industry.To be fair there are equal amount of audience in Tamil Nadu who loves masala movies without which Sivakasi or Thirupachi wont be a hit.So those kind of audience will kick movies like Anbey Shivam or Guna.Then what will the poor producer will do.IMO Masala movies should be produced in an equal level to the classic movie.If not Kollywood cine industry will die.Vasanth broader your view,think not only what you will like but think about all centers A,B,C.Quote:
Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
ellorum vandhacha...
start pannalama...?
I'm asking that...then why did u pan Thiruppaachi or Sivakasi ? ...I'm sure u ridiculed them.....didn't u? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beckham
Don't say "why u need logic?"...........I found that strange........Every movie needs logic......
Kasi,
If you think that Rajini has done excellent acting in Baasha,6 to 60,mullum malarum etc.
IMO MGR has done excellent acting in NM,Mannadhi mannan,Mahadevi,kulepahavali,Arasilankumari,Adimai pen and so many movies...
Ofcourse i did! But thats my personal perception.Btw,I never ever talked about the logical stuff in those movies? Did i? I dont think so? IMHO Masala entertainers dont need any logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
If you guys are analysing MG and RK purely as entertainers , definitely IMO, MG stands way ahead ...
A adimai penn or Ragasiya police 115 or Maatukara velan or Enga veetu pillai of the 60s is being watched even today \
as compared to
Rk's Kalee, Muthu etc
Ok,but if I ask u to elaborate on why u ridiculed it, might not it end in logics :?: .......Anyway, isn't there a limit , on how far u can discard logics ?.......... I feel, there should b a limit...... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Beckham
Peace! 8-)Quote:
Originally Posted by vasanth_luv
:notworthy: 8-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beckham
I don't know why all Rajini fans are praising about Baasha.
If you see the Baasha climax scene, It looks like pakka comedy movie.:banghead:
Rajaram
Sans the climax , I enjoyed watching Basha especially the scene when RK rips apart Anandaraj and that too the shot when he removes the pumpset !
Basha was one of the fast paced movies of RK
some of MGR's good entertainment movies.
1)kudierundha koil
2)mattukara velan.
3)Aaierathil oruvan.
4)adimai pen.
5)Anbe vaa.
6)padakotti.
7)Enga vettu pillai.
8)Ricksha karan.
9)Ragasiya police 115.
10)parakkum pavai.
11)USV.