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So where are we, Plum? I've already put forward my argument on behalf of Madhavan. Hope you have enough stuff there.
I supported Nerd's points on Dhanush. He still has a long way to go, no doubt.
My next bet is on Jeeva and Arya. Jeeva aiming to be versatile, and there are hits and misses. Arya, simply because the man has got great presence and can do more with less. But let's see what others say about Dhanush first.
groucho, Dhanush - no takers.
Maddy and Surya - panchayat postponed,. Modhalla first round mudippom.
Dhanush is rejected for sheer lack of evidence and lack of interest.
Jeeva and Arya. Sure, we can start on them.
Yen athukulla Dhanush-ai dismiss pannittingga? I thought there were some discussion. I cannot write much, coz I saw very little, and that very little (YNM, the only one I saw in full) convinced me that this brother got a future. As long as he stops hijacking his dad-in-law's film titles he can be someone on his own.
Future ellam bright-ave irukkattum. But is he versatile? What evidence?
:evil: indha thread'a izhuththu moodungapa :xQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
If Dhanush is not, then none is versatile in the current generation :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Dhanush is a great actor but there is not enough evidence to claim he is versatile. Someone please disagree with me.
He might have a future, but, IMO far from versatile. There is hardly any difference in the roles he has done till now, except KK and Pudhupettai. TA,PEAS,Sullan,Polladhavan,TT,YNM ellathulayum rubberstamp scope & role dhaan. Dhanush's characters in these movies are as different from one another as Vijay in Sivakasi, Madurae and Thirupachi. His performance might have been marginally different but does that make him versatile? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
manu kudungaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarna
Why is Ajith not in anyone's list?
Villian, Kireedam, Mugavari & KKKK, Citizen, Attagasam, Vaali, Billa, Ji.
AFAILK, he is more versatile than Bharath, Dhanush or Arya ( :frightened: )
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Originally Posted by hattori_hanzo
kELviyum neengaLE kEttuttu...badhilum neengaLE sonnA eppidiQuote:
Originally Posted by hattori_hanzo
dhanush has a wonderful comfort zone
andha zonekulla soopera velayaduvaru..aanaa veliya vandha "eeii sullan vaa sullan"than
I feel you should again divide into categories.
Seniors - Been there done it, so we leave 'em out.
Gen X: Madhavan, Surya, and the peers.
Gen Y: Jeeva, Arya, Dhanush, some might want to include the drone voiced Prassana (PR's blood is boiling now), or even Ravi Krishna.
PR, LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
What I meant was, though the end result was a horror show, he had the guts to take up new 'out-of-comfort-zone' characters and different movies like Mugavari. Even after becoming a mass hero, he did Kireedom, and his perfomance wwas noteworthy.
H_H, let's say as groucho has been emphasising, let's look at the result rather than effort. Effort to look different or take on different roles - Surya, Madhavan, Jeeva, Arya, Bharath all qualify but result epdingaradhu dhaan keLvi.
KadhalkOttai - Surya ( Graduate role)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Ullaasam - Guru (Gangster role)
Kadhal mannan - Shiva (careless guy)
UEK - Sanjay ( Foriegn return )
Vaali - Shiva/Deva ( sollanumaa enna :smokesmirk: )
Nee varuvaayena - Subramani ( Jolly guy )
Amarkkalam - Vasu ( again Gangster but in different dimension)
Mugavari - Sridhar ( :2thumbsup: )
KKKK - Manohar
Dheena - Dheena
Villian - vishnu
Varalaru - Shivashanker
Billa - Billa
iththana examples kuduththadhukkappuramum, Ajith sodhappalaa nadichcha sila padangala mattum quote panni versatile illainu solra mudivOda irundheenganaa :roll: adhukkum badhil irukku :)
Ajith is more interested in GRATIFYING his FANS(engala) than anything else 8-)
and FANS we are NO MORE interested in comparing him with nEththu penja mazhaila mozhachcha kaalaans :arrow:
namma dhanush'ku varuvOm :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
TL - Mahesh ( Vidala-payyan role with kaamam)
KK - Vinod ( anbukkaaga yEngura oru psycho )
TT - Vasu ( Careless guy )
DK - Babu ( :swinghead: )
PudhupEttai - Kokki kumar ( wt a man :clap: :clap: )
Thiruvilyaadal - thiru ( jolly guy )
Polladhavan - prabhu ( a mixture of jolly, careless, caring etc )
:)
Thanus:
PP - Good
Polladhavan - Good
Kadhal Kondein (thats how they spelt Kandukondein Kandukondein) - Not good and i would blame Selvaraghavan more for this
One can safely group the rest of his movies under the same bucket, which is his comfort zone.
Sarna, i think DK,TA, TT etc are all the same. I mean the role and his background might be slightly different but performance adhe madhiri dhaan irundhuchu nu nenaikkaren. Not saying that it was necessarily bad, but since we're ont he topic of versatility, i'm bringing this classification
Sarna you are listing a bunch of different roles where the performance was not that different from one another. UEK !!!. And in some cases your examples are making my point. Of course there are a couple of cases like Vaali, varalAru where his role was 'different' and demanding and his performance matched up to the demands. But overall versatile-nu solra alavukku variety illai.
When evaluating versatility one has to take into account 'different' trials to see the extent of success/failure in them. That is why Citizen is a natural candidate for the discussion.
Parent rejected and/or anAdharavAna lower-middle class guy who is
angry
vulnerable
jovial
indha vattaththai vittu innum veLiya varalai.
innum vayasu irukku. Wait paNNuvOm.
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sarna, enna idhu,enna enna role paNninarunnu ketta hero peyar-ai list pandreengaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarna
Indha gangster, godfather idhellam defined roles. Manohar-ngaradhu oru pudhu type role-a? :-)
(Just kidding man, i know what you want to imply)
namma madanagopal maadhiriya?Quote:
UEK - foreign return
PR, andha angry, vulnerable and jovial dhaan versatility-nu solraangannu ninaikkaren - ennA range-u!
Even if you consider end result as the sole criterion, Vaali, Kireedam, Villian, Mugavari and Varalaaru were all very different from one another. I wont say Ajith is a great actor. He is not half as successful as Kamal in doing multiple characters with ease, but why is it that when Bharath (whose Nepali was as bad as Citizen) and Arya are there in the list, Ajith isnt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Ajith appurama varalam. Vijay kooda consider pannalam - adhukkenna? Yaarume blanket reject kidayadhu.
Dijiplined-a one by one povom
Dhanush? Avaru udhavakkarai paiyan turning into family head role thavira vera edhavadhu uruppadiya paNNi irukkara( though as many observed, he is quite competent, and is a pleasure to watch)? Pudhuppettai - with mixed results; what else?
Ithukuthan :xQuote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
I was sure that only a non Ajith fan will bring his name here and I was also sure that the very name of Ajith will be met with some sarcastic comments, when 5 films old Arya and nearly 10 films old Jeeva are considered as versatile actors.
A mass hero cannot be versatile, that's why Rajni isn't versatile after Annamalai and that' why MGR isn’t discussed in this thread. I am not comparing the heroes or their performance or their reach here, just their choice of subjects. So, I think there’s no point in discussing Ajith atleast for now (IMO). Hope, Ajith chooses subjects that warranty his acting skills like Vaali or Varalaaru often and I am sure he will give tough competition to current generation actors. Also, it is not a coincidence that Ajith is the first choice of many movies of Surya, without being considered a better/fine/good actor by Bala, Mani, etc.
Risk’ae edukkama rusk sappidra, wanna be versatile actor’a nakkal adikka nerya matter irruku, but I don’t want to divert this thread :P .
wnna be versatile actor-ai dhaaraLama nakakl adinga. Adhukku dhaan indha thread.
sila vishayangal directors kaila irukku :P Sullan padaththa direct panna director PP or Pollaadhavan'a direct panniyirundhaa :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
If you take Citizen, director has majority share :twisted: same goes to Vaali as well as Varalaaru :) but same actor ....so problem enganu ungalukku puriyanum :P
sari ..unga kutrachaattukku varuvOm...idha base pannidhaan ivvalavu nEram indha thread'la pEsittirundheengalaa :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
PR, unga LOGIC enakku suththamaa puriyala :roll:
Arent great actors versatile actors? Plum neenga yein template use penneinga but you forgot that the way the roles are executed must be convincing, ravikrishna just used one expression and one sound for all roles. :lol2:
Dhanush is probably a director's actor. Especially Sullan where the film itself was a indication of what director ramana used for Dhanush. But on films with selvaraghavan you could see that he has the ability to get into the skin of the role. He certainly is capable of a power-packed action entertainer but the problem is how the director uses him. Padikkathavan was quite near but more on comedy. We need to see how he churns out his upcoming film arya.
He is saying that we should consider how successful the actors have pulled off the different roles they have played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarna
Ajith has two problems. Dialogue delivery and his modulation. At times they can be so monotonous that it ruins whatever good work he did for the role. Citizen would have been a grand success if he was abit more focussed on getting the pain of a "son of a soil" seeing his whole dynasty go extinct. The problem here was his almost artificial modulation and dialogue delivery when he mentions the "naan thani aalu ellei" and most scenes where he encounters his pain. Otherwise i felt he was quite good especially the ending climax scenes. He certainly has good body language and expressions.
enna puriyalaiQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarna
Versatile: doing different types of roles convicingly
We were talking about Surya and Madhavan who were found (in varying degrees) convincing in their performances in 'different' roles.
Dhanush was rejetted. Not because he had tried different roles and failed. But because he did not try different roles.
Then we came to Ajith. Who has done several indifferentiable roles, a couple of different roles successfully and some 'different' roles miserably.
Now...do you get the logical flow.. ?
comfort zone :?Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Karthik..brother of Surya.. US return did Paruthiveeran with ease... saridhaananga ?...if u agree with me and If I rightly understood ur logic, then Karthik qualified with honors in his comfortless zone :)
on the same logic, Polladhavan and PP are uncomfortable zones for Dhanush(due to his physic)... saridhaananga ?... eventhen he qualifies convincing'ly ... at times amazing'ly :)
if u say yes to above italic questions, read below post... or better ignore :)
on the same logic, Surya endha padaththula PASS aayirukkaapla ?????
Sakthi from PM or
Krishnan from VA or
Gajini from Gajini
or Chinna from perazhagan
ellaamE uncomfortable zone and Surya fails miserably .....
PS .. ignoring AYAN - Masala movie..eventhough Surya did more than convincing 8-)
Sarna, no questions on other movieswhich were mixed bag for me, as Surya mostly is for me, but Pithamgan-la, he was spot-on. That one cannot be bettered.
If I rightly understood ur logic, Madhavan qualifies under success...Surya qualifies under failure :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Hulkster, I agree with u 8-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulkster
Surya in PithAmagan fail-A ... adhula miserably vEraiyA :lol2:
UEK - Unnidaththil Ennai KoduththEnQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Madanagopal range'ku illainaalum.... Ajith was pretty good in his accent/body language.... and u cant expect more in Vikraman's movie :P
pudhuppEttai Danus mixed results-A :shock: Adhu maadhiri oru role innum suryavO, maddyO kooda panninathillai..
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarna
Agree and already mentioned-nga (Polladhavan, character is close to his udhavakkarai stereo type but he does it convncingly and with a difference)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarna
Sakthi from PM - Passes with very good marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarna
Krishnan from VA (is it the old man) - Not bad, though his difficulty shows in some scenes.
Ghajini - Fail
Chinna - No great shakes but i found him funny in a scene or three