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dear kiru,
I'll support you in your efforts in the legal action. Get some evidence for 1) IR has personally made money using public funds and the profits, if any, is not going to his Trust. 2) IR is getting kickbacks from TTLS because of the TIS deal.
Also draw up all possible charges that can be used against IR and start collecting evidence.
Hi Prabhudas,
One more thing !! One thing I have learned to in this forum ( i am regular her the last 9+ years since inception ) is it is wise not to respond/comment to hubbers whose views(posts) you do not understand or fail to comprehend their views no matter how hard we try. Vijayr's is on my list. ( No offense meant Vijayr, but I have failed to understand your views no matter what the subject is ..however hard i tried ..you are beyond (my ) comprehension. The only thing i have noticed,is that you like to argue and for the sake of arguing .and never get tired of it...or you have a hidden motive again, I could be wrong on that too.. anyway no offense meant and I am sorry if i sounded offensive! ).
Please let us move on guys.. I am getting tired.
Cheers
MSK
"and not cry foul in this public forum which is for discussing music and related subjects and not about the biz affairs of the artists and their associates/biz groups"
funny, how when the same forum was used to collect money and discuss logistics before TIS release, no request was made to move the discussion elsewhere as it wasnt music-related.
Now when the purpose has been accomplished and the artist's integrity in question, all efforts are being made to hush thematter up, move the discussion elsewhere, close the thread etc.
" I could care less about who cheated who !! '
except when the person cheated happens to be IR.
"Please let us move on guys.. I am getting tired. "
move on, if you want to. no one invited you here in the first place.
Guys:
vijayr's onsessive hatred of IR is very evident if you have been following his posts over the past years. He probably has some personal reasons for such vitriol that I have read from him over the years even before all this. It cannot be explained by normal human rationale for the hatred seen in his posts over the years on someone who has contributed so much. He will take any situation and find something negative to accuse IR of. TISK's posting is just fodder for him .
Any rational person would try to ascertain the facts before this shameful display happenin in this forum. You have heard just from the accusing parties but have passed judgement on IR before ascertaining the facts. It is such a pity.
I have given $1000 so far and purchased 15 CDs/VCD but I donated for IR. I did not know TM or TISK. It is because of IR, I volunteered the donation for IR not for TM or TISK. Therefore I am not really upset that TM did not get the copyrights. I gave the money so TIS will be made and I am very happy it was made and with the output. I feel that TISK should not have personal losses and I am willing to help to reduce his losses. But when fans like me donated, it is for IR.
The second word should read "obsessive". Therefore ignore comments from people who havent shown any balance in their postings before.
"onsessive hatred of IR is very evident if you have been following his posts over the past years"
funny, coming from you, an obsessive fanatic, who thinks anyone who even remotely criticizes IR has to have an ulterior motive or hatred. I have been following your posts as well. Sympathize with you for living in such a paranoid, insecure world where you constantly need to read posts that either praise IR or agree with you, in order to validate your taste. (And anyone who doesnt like IR's new albums is either strongly biased against him or arent his fans)
And NO, my comments were'nt against IR as much as against a few of his fans here who want to hush up the whole situation, pretend as if nothing happened and move on. Some of them even want IR to get paid by TM.
I fully agree with your views,Mr.'kr' and thank you for the same..
I too got in primarily as an IIR fan and am still one.
I only acted as a liason for like-minded fans in USA to make TiS happen and t[h]is would not have been possible but for all your keen interest in getting this done.
Having said this, I happen to know more about a morally noble person in Fr.Jegath [who too IS an IIR admirer], whose motive also was to make this happen.
Unfortunately, I happen to be a witness of his humiliation and hardships which he went thru during the process and hence, his statements should not be viewed as an 'acusing party's' as you have specified.
We all want to have a happy ending without tarnishing anyone's image and for that as Mr.'MSK' had suggested, it is better to get this past us and move on and will see what is in store for us.
Thanks.
YIA!
TISK:
therefore, can we discuss how we can help in makin sure Fr. Jegath and you get over the financial difficulties. I have a marketing background. I can work with you marketing the CDs. In an earlier post, I had mentioned targeting music departments/faculty members and religion departments in universities in the US. We can also help you with further funds towards your financial difficulties.
I however find it hard to believe the accusations that has been goin on this forum that IR has done a scam with this project. When you listen to TIS and the effort that has been put by IR in its composition and orchestration, it has not been done with the aim of scam in mind. If monetary gain was the objective, IR could have done some standard run of the mill populist stuff and made money that way. You wouldnt get the caliber of TIS composition.
In addition, if money making was IR's objective, he could have towed the wishes of so many of the producers and directors he had alienated for his principles in the last decade.
Also look at how many experiental movies and directors that IR has supported in his career. Even in the recent past - films kike Kutti, Karuvelam pookal etc. This is not the money making person that is being portaryed here.
Unfortunately, your frustration has become a fooder for obsessive IR haters in this forum for furtherin their agenda.
Mr. Vijayr:
Your obsessive hatred for IR has clouded your judjement and perceptions and hence it is not surprising that you consider anyone with a different perspective than yours as hard core IR fans. I just hope that someday your hatred subsides and wisdom and better judgement prevails. Good luck!
"and hence it is not surprising that you consider anyone with a different perspective than yours as hard core IR fans"
nice job twisting my words. I never said anyone with a different perspective is a hardcore fan. I know the difference between a hardcore fan of IR's music and a fanatic. All I said was some of the hardcore fans here want to hush up the whole thing or ignore it.
But your comments are'nt suprising, because thats what you do all the time, twist other people's words to ease your way out of a difficult spot. I too hope that your fanaticism subsides one day and you realize that if someone doesnt like a particular song that you do, it doesnt mean they harbor hatred for IR or that they have an ulterior motive. Its perfectly OK for someone to dislike something that you like and vice versa.