thiruvasakam in symphony

Why should Father Gaspar urge people esp TIS-USA to forgive IR when they have borne the brunt? Probably TM is magnanimous enough to do so. How is TM planning to do the damage control? Atleast now after all these, have they confronted IR's camp in a more professional manner , say by having some sort of ombudsman?

I have a few questions: Nothing personal here but I guess the following questions, if answered unambiguously, will give us a clue on who-is-who, what-is-what and who-is-what in this controversy?
1. Does IR know about TiS-USA's obligation. I will take TiSK's word for this. Did he know this before the release?
2. What were the objectives of TM viz-a-viz executing this project
a)in 2003
b)in 2004
c) in 2005 January
d)in 2005 July
e) just Before release
I hope you are not offended but from what I remember, this many versions of the objectives of the project were heard from 2003.
3. What was the original verbal agreement between(forget the legal documents - just what was the expectation at each of this level - and was it communicated to both parties at each level at that time?Can anyone state this without ambiguity?)
a) IR and TM/Fr Gasper
b) TM and TIS-USA
c) IR and TIS-USA
( I am sure someone here can answer this unambiguously and without any shred of doubt)
4. From what I can see, IR, right through the release has been harping on his rebirth-factor as the reason for this project he undertook. Why didnt he or even Fr Gasper mention the Research College angle in the TiS Release function?Why? Why, indeed? Or did they mention and I missed it?Why didnt the TM take him to task for that at that point?
5. Why did everyone concerned with the project suddenly jump on the Tsunami relief bandwagon in 2005 January? What happened to it now?
6. What was that about lobbying for the Grammy award? Why should anyone lobby? Why should anyone spend even a single cent or even a minute of his valuable time on trying to get the Grammy award for IR? Wasnt the project started with more significant objectives? If so, why someone should divert their attention to this insignificant bit when that time can be spent on achieving the original objectives - namely, setting up music foundations in TN and SL and helping Tsunami Relief?
7. Why should I not dismiss the "forgive" angle as a red herring? I mean, if IR was even ethically in the wrong, state it here - and IR will suffer. I mean, we already have fans like Kiru losing enthusiasm for his music so obviously, if you post clear unambiguous allegations(hey I dont even need proof - I will take your word for it), then IR will, I am sure, lose more fans. Please dont forgive him. Sorry he doesnt need it. If he is in the wrong, what he needs is a kick in the butt - even if he loses one fan because of this, that would be justice done in my opinion.

These questions really intrigue me. I dont know the Father so I dont want to assume his innocence without a proper answer to these questions

To IR, I would ask the following questions:
1. Why hasnt he responded to these allegations at any level. Presumably, tamilcinema.com may not be a reputed site but still , it is read by enough people so doesnt he think it is his obligation to issue a clarification yet?
2. Does he consider compensating fans like TISK, out of his personal wealth, even as an option? If he doesnt, my respect for him will go down several notches. Has this avenue been explored and turned down already by IR?Can someone answer that
3. Did IR use profits from TiS for
a) The Offering in the temple
b) Bhava's wedding. Is it just a coincidence that the wedding took place just around the time of the post-release
4. Is anyone here alleging that
a) IR planned to use the gullible public and planned in 2003 that TM and TIS-USA will collect money from public and take loans and release the CD and then he can scoot off with the profit? Did he do this? Boy, in that case, he must be a criminal mastermind, right? Does anyone have the guts to make this allegation? Stick out your throats, if you can.
b) IR just evolved with the time and his initial idea was to get his talents noticed by releasing a symphony using money raised by TM. Later, when he saw the opportunity, he made further inroads and profiteered?

Clear-aa yaaravadhu allege pannungappa. Make it a definitve statement - adhukku peru dhaan allegation - hint ellam kudutha adhukku peryar speculation. Sorry, not everyone knows everyone in the project personally to believe that. Naan solradhu harsh-a irundhaa < I am really sorry>, but unga point of view-ku opposite point of view-vum irukkum. Adhai suppress panna mudiyaadhu.

Also, idhai solliye aaganum. For all whatever has passed, I realise that TiS would not have been possible without significant efforts of TiSK and Fr Gasper. I must really thank them for the personal pleasure I have derived from their hardowrk for close to, what, 3 years. If nothing else, TiSK has achieved something that we, the other people who are arguing here, cannot expect to achieve in a lifetime. I am sure he has the best wishes, blessings and support of many fans and I am sure it will get him out of the mess. Ennala mudinja alavu copies naan vangitten - but since I bought in India so I dont know if it will benefit him. I too believe that it is our duty to buy as many as we can afford, for the simple reason that but for the efforts of this man, you would simply not have been able to hear this masterpiece from IR. We would have been forced to satisfy our palates with COA and TTLS, adhukkagavavadhu he deserves a lift from us.

Irrespective of kavin's motives ro credentials(as perceived by people who say, sorry, hint, that "IR has cheated") , can someone answer his questions or respond to the sequence of events he has outlined?
I mean, it is alright to discredit him saying his posts are nonsense but a fair-minded person would actually negate/confirm what he has posted as the sequence of events and role played by various parties in the making of TiS.

Someone said "Dont be so humble. You are not so great" appadinnu.
When I read about the forgiveness statment, I dont know why this quote flashed past my mind.

Adding some more important questions from previous posters since my posts have moved those to old responses:
(following courtesy njv)
1. If IR along with his "other" partnership release TIS-CD in USA at the same time TIS-USA launched the CD,then TIS-USA would have been financially impacted - This didnt happen

2. If IR along with his "other" partnership release TIS-CD now/in future, it will have some impact to TIS-USA on a long run TIS will be an ever selling album. So far this didnt happen. So give the benefit of doubt to IR, because we are after all his fans!

3. If IR along with his "other" partnership release TIS-CD in other part of the world, it would have impact to Tamil maiyam (and hence TIS-USA, since TIS-USA funded majority of the money). Is it the case.

3.a TIS is being marketted by AgniMusic in Malaysia. Is this agreement between IR and Agni or TM and Agni? Who can answer this question

3.b. In UK and Canada, Indian edition of TIS (Welgate) is being sold. Who is marketting Indian edition of TIS in UK/USA. Is it TM or IR thru' his "other" partnership?

3.c Who is selling TIS in other tamil populated countries such as Srilanka, Middle East, France (believe me, Paris this is the hub of thiruttu vcd!)

njv said "who will answer". I say the people who have made hints, allegations and inuendos have to answer my questions, kavin's version and the above questions by njv. Otherwise, any objective person can only dismiss the issue.

And no, I am not IR or YSR or KR or Bhavadharini in disguise!

rajdes, I didnt read through all your long posts(also you seem to be replying after 3 days every time) nor do I intend to drag the discussion any further. But I have clarified my stance(atleast somewhat) earlier.I have some of the same questions as you do too and hopefully they will be addressed by the concerned parties(including IR) in the near future. I was only irked by the attitude of some ppl here who wanted to ignore the whole thing and move on, since it was IR who was involved.

rajdes says, 'TiSK has achieved something that we, the other people who are arguing here, cannot expect to achieve in a lifetime. I am sure he has the best wishes, blessings and support of many fans and I am sure it will get him out of the mess'


I agree with you on this!! My sincere wishes to Dr.shankar, as a friend, a IR fan who is enjoying TIS, will always value your contribution to this project. I will try to help you in whatever way I can.

While all this issue is giong on, I heard that few "major" companies are already talking to IR with regards to his next symphony. This time for a change the business is discussed at first, since IR is going to "charge" for composing as well!

Please dont pull my tounge and ask for more details. If you dont want to belive me and quote me as a liar, I am perfectly happy with that than giving out any names now!

rajdes, Fr. Jegath and TISK are not saying it - but I can deduce that they are accusing IR of getting a 'kickback' from Wellgate. It seems very plausible to me.
kavin's narration of sequence of events does not change my impression of the situation. I dont know what he thinks. But thanks to him for the sleuthing.
TISK, is also saying indirectly, that IR has to speak on this issue.