thiruvasakam in symphony

shankar, madhan: several dynamics are in play here including IR's desire to do a high-calibre album like TiS. There has been talk of IR having a bad experience with SONY over the RPO Symphony #1(madhan, you were the one who did some research in this direction 2 years back). That might have biased IR against SONY. In general, IR could - and I would bet a week's salary of mine on this - be generally indisposed towards smooth-talking executive types, the kind SONY I am sure employs in thousands and the kind most likely to interact for such business discussions. Welgate on the other hand might have been a bunch of novices who however dont come across as cunning to IR.
This is speculation but these are some of the dynamics that could be in play.
But what will happen here is
1) People with a hate for IR seize this opportunity and inuendo that he planned and executed this cheating exercise - IR is 100% black appadinnu vaadhiduvaargal.
2) Blind fanatics of IR would ofcourse claim the other extreme.

Truth is ofcourse somewhere in between, like the cliche goes.

I think it would be constructive at this juncture to come up with a "CURRENT wish list" from all well-wishers of IR/TM/TIS-USA (means DF'ers)...and if possible, also with an "Action plan towards achieving the wish-list objectives"...

This list and plan could be a dynamic one, means undergoing changes, as more information gets published and facts are made available. (There'll be nay-sayers, obviously, hopefully not many though. If such postings come up, kindly try to ignore as it'll only result in pages of useless discussion and no results)...

To begin, I tried to put together a brief wish-list:

1. For TIS-USA
a) Not to have any financial burden i.e. if any loans, that should be repaid.
b) If any inventory, to be liquidated (both to reclaim space and possibly help objective 1a)
c) Get due recognition from IR for their efforts in the project, probably through a media communication to that effect.
d) TIS-USA to come out with the loan info.

2. For TM
a) Once again, not to have any loans.
b) Have access to accurate (and truthful) sales figures, both in territories in India and abroad.
c) Collect their share as per these figures, which should help 2a
d) Have at least a 50% say in any further sales contracts being signed up, at the minimum till 2a is achieved.
e) TM comes up with complete details as to donors, sponsors, sales commission etc so for as also the details of project expenses, interests paid etc and show how much more is needed.

3. For IR (I assume he has absolutely no financial problem because of this project but probably got some money, though not equivalent to the filmi compensation for the amount of time spent...and it's a fact that he gained immense publicity in the media which kind of revived his name among TN masses again)
a) To clear his name from this controversy - either by correcting any unethical business practice or by helping out the financially affected TM/TIS-USA by some future promotional methods (if the correct sales figures of TIS / newer territories of sales themselves does not pay back)

Now the tough part, action plan for DF'ers.

1. Come out with ideas to get the whole controversy to IR's ears and encourage him to act positively to avoid further mudslinging.
2. Come out with innovative plans / helps to liquidate TIS-USA stock
3. Encourage TM to publish the details.

Hopefully there'll be a bunch who'll agree with this approach...

but whoz gonna do it...esp convey wats happening here to IR

"if it was to make money only, all that IR would/could have done, is release an absolutely modern sounding album with Shankar Mahadevan, Sonu Nigam, Shaan etc and got the same released big time - for IR's calibre, composing such an album would have taken less than a day's time! "

and no one would have bought it, considering the zilch market he has for such stuff these days. The album had to be special, somewhat creative, appeal to devotees(who are large in number) who will buy irrespective of musical quality, need to have enough pre-release hype(with spiritual messages like last birth etc. ) and so on. TIS met most of these. I am not saying that TIS was made just for money, but I dont agree with those who say that if IR wanted to get money he could have easily done run-of-the-mill stuff in a day with popular singers. He doesnt have the market for such stuff anymore. If he had done something along those lines it would have met the same fate as COA or TTLS (with neither Rajni or Vaiko coming forward to promote such albums).

kj,
That's why the immediate action plan is not to actually communicate to IR...but to "throw ideas" as to how to reach his ears...

And before even bothering with him, it may be easier to persuade TM to give transparency to collections - expenses info...(I think TISK has posted earlier in this thread that TIS-USA is going to publish theirs shortly on the tis-usa.com; why not TM also do a similar thing?)

In other words, why not focus on easier objectives (means keep moving with those who can be contacted easier than the "not-so-easily-accessible" IR)

And IMHO, eliminating the financial burdens of TIS-USA / TM is more important that attempting to `clear-up' IR's name...(at least from the POV of this thread)...In any case, few web postings are not to change much the mixed-reputation of IR for 25 years...

Sorry to make this stereotyping statement...thamizhanukku maRadhi adhigam...(proof - the fall and rise of JJ & the many falls and rises of MK)

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Originally Posted by rajdes

btw,
"may be he wanted to cheat Fr than making money"
idhukku enna artham?

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Tamil movie pakarathu illayaya. either Fr's father cheated IR's father so IR is cheater Fr or pona jenmathu pagai. I mean if IR can make money simply by rehasing his previous tunes and that too probably more than what we would have got from TIS dealings, then my gut feeling is that

1. IR really wanted to work on TIs
2. End up giving all movie assignment and focused on TIs
3. At the time of completing TIS, realized that he lsot some money!
4. Cheated Fr.

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Originally Posted by tmrrmt

I find the whole thing absolutely murky - if we go by what Fr.Jegath says, then it is inexplicable as to why IR turned down a name like SONY, which would have fetched popularity, marketing and a definite sales figures several light years further ahead than what has been achieved with Welgate!

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Why would he, specially since they messed up 1st symphony. So the obvious choice were Saregama (known for classic recordings). Other choice would have been T Series, with their largest CD distribution network in the world (yes world!) - but they would rather have some street guy singing for them and make them popular (Anuradha paudwal!) than making less from legends.

Whats clear is that IR did found some new shortcut to make money out of TIS. Whats not clear is why he did that, specially considering the fact that he has completed "ThIS life".

I am saying if he really cheated Fr, he will have rebirth and will be born as a son for SrikanthDeva/Imman/Dhina.

What is the point of going on accusing IR? I dont understand what purpose it is going to serve. First of all , nobody knows what the true version of events is. The most sensible thing to do is for the involved parties to discuss issues with each other, with a mutually acceptable arbitrator. Venting out feelings in a discussion forum is barking at the wrong tree.