Islamic Invasions ! Hindus Persecutions !

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Originally Posted by arul_satish

As late as 17th century, the much celebrated Maratha ruler lived by plundering muslims and hindus alike(also killing)

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See here: http://www.indhistory.com/maratha-bengal.html

The Maratha raiders were known as 'Bargi', a term used by Bengali's to put their children to sleep ('If you don't sleep Bargis would come and take you away..').
Here is a tranlation of the lullaby from the net:
'Hushed the child sleeps and quiet is the neighbourhood now, for the Bargis (Maratha raiders) have descended on our land; the bulbulis have eaten away our crops, how shall we pay our land tax?'

Dsath,
I beg to differ. I think religion has a huge role to play in the Kashmir Issue. I don't think that this would be such a big issue if India was a country that followed Islamic Laws. I find it hard to believe that this has nothing to do with religion, when it is mainly kashmiri hindus who are being targetted by these terrorists.

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I agree with this totally. There is nothing called Hindu genocide. Its all fiction propagated by a section for its own political advancements. :(

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Genocide = Mass Murder.

Hindu Genocide = Mass Murder of Hindus. This hasn't existed? India's History started with the invasion of Persians etc is filled with Hindu Genocide.


Historical Facts about the mass Murder of hindus didn't just show up one fine day when some political outfit decided to use it in their agendas.

The real genocide thats happening is the genocide of non Hindus in Gujarat and elsewhere sponsored by BJP, RSS and BAJRANG DAL. Its understandable if people were butchered in the past. There was no common court of justice to punish the offenders . But today we do have a Supreme court. We have a President who can to a certain extent exercise control over rogue states .But still we remain a mute spectator to the unabated violence in vadodara and other parts of Gujarat. Not to forget the 1984 anti sikh riots. I don't understand how this person who goes by the name Modi was reelected and how he is still allowed to hold his office . IMHO the greatest threat to India is not from foreign mujahideen but from fanatic religious groups Like RSS.

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Originally Posted by rocketboy

The real genocide thats happening is the genocide of non Hindus in Gujarat and elsewhere sponsored by BJP, RSS and BAJRANG DAL. Its understandable if people were butchered in the past. There was no common court of justice to punish the offenders . But today we do have a Supreme court. We have a President who can to a certain extent exercise control over rogue states .But still we remain a mute spectator to the unabated violence in vadodara and other parts of Gujarat. Not to forget the 1984 anti sikh riots. I don't understand how this person who goes by the name Modi was reelected and how he is still allowed to hold his office . IMHO the greatest threat to India is not from foreign mujahideen but from fanatic religious groups Like RSS.

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Agreed. Gujarat Tiots were Genocide.

But so was the Godhra Train Burning Incident which provoked it in the first place. Strange how it's the RSS that is crucified, when it was Godhra that kicked it off! Funny how people killed in Godhra is conviniently swept under the carpet. Why this sort of Hipocracy....Minority Appeasing....SO CALLED Secularism?! Pathetic!

So I'm guessing that according to you the

* Varnasi Blasts in March
* The 1998 Kovai Blasts which Claimed the lives of many!
*The Attack on a group of Hindu College Students in Kerala on May 2nd 2003
*Godhra Trainburning.
*Bombay Blasts
*Qasim Nagar Attack on July 13th 2003.

Fact sheet Of Atrocities On Kashmiri Pandits

Educational Institutions burnt, damaged forcefully occupied : 105

Religious & Cultural Institutions Destroyed/burnt, damaged : 103

Shops, Factories looted/burnt/occupied : 14,430

Agriculture dependent families deprived of their land and source of income : 20,000

Horticulture dependent families deprived of their resource : 12,500

Houses Burnt : more than 20,000

Houses looted : 95%

Torture killings of Kashmiri Pandits in the Valley : more than 1,100

Along with many other Attacks on hindus in India doesn't matter at all! Who cares about the Hindus?! They're the majourity. Let them die right?!

Nothing is more sickening than this sort of hipocracy, and double standards! :oops: :cry:

No. of people dead in Godhra: ~120
No. of people dead in the violence that followed: ~2000
What is unpardonable is the state-support for the riots and killings. Is it not the duty of the state to arrest those responsible for the train burning incident and bring them to law, while calming down the situation?! No. OTOH, Mr. Modi, the chief minister, believes in action-reaction. :banghead:

I don't condone the terrorist activities of the muslims either in Kovai or in Bombay. But check out the chronology of these events. How did they start? Was it not the Rath Yatra that started these chain of events? I am against the minority appeasement policies of the government. But that doesn't mean you can start a yatra and trigger flames of hatred, just for a few votes. And these so called Hindu leaders don't even stand in the forefront of these violent incidents. Finally, it is the common Hindu and muslim who has to suffer, while these armchair strategists look for scapegoats.

As for the Kashmir problem, everyone knows who supported the terrorists. Even the killing of Pandits was started by Pakistani militants who wanted to create communal tension in the valley. But, let us not forget that one of the causes of the sprout of seperatist activities in late 1980's was the rigging of elections by the Centre to keep away prominent Kashmiris from mainstream politics. Obviously, anyone would lose faith in such a 'democratic' setup.

Anyway, the bottomline is, why do the saffron parties hold muslims in contempt in general for what is happening elsewhere. Fight for implementation of common civil code and stoppage of minoriy appeasement without killing muslims. Is it so difficult?

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Originally Posted by Kannann

No. of people dead in Godhra: ~120
No. of people dead in the violence that followed: ~2000

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We're not just looking @ godhra, we're looking at what the hindu population has been getting for centuries.

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But, let us not forget that one of the causes of the sprout of seperatist activities in late 1980's was the rigging of elections by the Centre to keep away prominent Kashmiris from mainstream politics.

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Which was the part @ center then? I forget.

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I don't condone the terrorist activities of the muslims either in Kovai or in Bombay. But check out the chronology of these events. How did they start? Was it not the Rath Yatra that started these chain of events?

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Did Hindus start taking beatings from Muslims only AFTER the Rath Yathra?? In this thread about Hindu Genocide, we're talking about the Mass Muder of Hindus starting from the first invasions of Ghazni.

Reg Godhra,

When was the last time HIndus had such a violent uprising before then? HOw many Kashmiris hindus died after their previous uprising? How many other terrorist attacks took place before that?

Reguadless of what my personal ideas are, I'm not supporting the Gujarat Attacks here. But I'm saying, that after a chain of deaths caused by muslims, it was GOdhra that made hindus feel that it was enough. And the anger that had built up all this while resulted in such a violent outburst.

All I'm saying is....why is it only the RSS that crucified here? Why is it only HIndu forces that are taking the beating here? Why are the accusers not accusing Muslims League, or other Islamic Organizations that are IN India for the violence from their side.


This is what I meant by double standards. :)

Reg Godhra,
The "saffron" version of the Godhra carnage failed to pass the test of evidence [Nanavati-Shah commission] and it is very simplistic and naive to equate the Godhra carnage, atrocious as it is, to the SYSTEMATIC genocide of Muslims, abetted by the State, in the aftermath of Godhra

Its also funny to see the sweeping assumption that India was a *Hindu* *Country*. What about indigenous populations with indigenous gods and suchlike?

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Originally Posted by alwarpet_andavan

Reg Godhra,
The "saffron" version of the Godhra carnage failed to pass the test of evidence [Nanavati-Shah commission] and it is very simplistic and naive to equate the Godhra carnage, atrocious as it is, to the SYSTEMATIC genocide of Muslims, abetted by the State, in the aftermath of Godhra

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Hmm...hard to believe that it was an "Accident" when that decision was made public right after Mr. Lalloo Prasad Yadav came to power as the railway minister. Especially, when it was passed off as an act of communalism initially and stayed that way for the next 3 years.

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Originally Posted by Surya

Reg Godhra,

When was the last time HIndus had such a violent uprising before then?

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1984, to give one example...