IR New Albums - Old responses (5 Aug 2006)

Kiru/JaiGanesh,

I agree with you guys.. Art is a creative thing.. it is not a science or engineering where you can churn out picture perfect products every single time and achiver iso9000 standards..

Music ( and so is any other art ) is so spontaneous that there is no way you can expect consistency.. it is very subjective and depends on so many factors.. it is just today's world that people are making money using art for a living....( there so many things in today's world like that .. Get the best poet in the world and ask him to write one song a week . Pay him any amount of money and send him to anywhere he wants and give him anything he wants.. do you expect you are going to get a amazing poem every week.. C'mon let's be reasonable..

I think Vijay and others ( with due respect ) expect so perfect - like a Honda manufcturing line where every V6 engine that comes out the line meets all standards - Even there you have recalls once in a while..so imagine composing a song

So if an album of IR is not considered good by many - the album does not sell well and the audio company and IR ( if he has royalty arrangements ) loose the deal.. As a simple as that.

Who are we to say that it is unethical for him a this stage to accept good movies/junk movies for money.. if you do not like an album just don't buy it....

And also just to vent our dissappointment with some songs in some albums it is very unfair to cricitcise some of works that have been acclaimed by most.

Vijay ( again .. no offense meant ) , i guess you were so dissapointed with karagattakari that you are venting to the extent to call Virumaandi and "Elangaathu Veesuthe " as average..

By any standards, even by a worst IR critic, it does not make sense to call " Ilangaathu Veesuthe " average....Infact Vijay says Manasinnakare was a dud ... I am listening to that tape in my car for the last 2 weeks and I still enjoy " Mellayonnu Paadi " and Thanga thingal Vaanil.. I am hooked.. It sounds as good as any of his gems ..

When i listened to " Ilangaathu Vessuthe " i was so impressed that i set the repeat mode for a few days in my Car player..

Well.. just like creating an art is so spontaneous, the way one enjoys or hates or criticises that art is even more subjective.. So what I am so impressed with some songs.. Vijay calls them a dud..

But my honest opinion is that - yes the # of gems per album/per year has definitely come down .. But what the hell do you expect out of a 60+ year guy who has done film music to death.. achieved every thing he wanted and still enjoys creating music.. Leave him alone.. .. if you do not like his albums.. just say so and move on to something you like..there is no point in arguing why is he signing up albums like karagattakaari etc.why at this stage of his career. none of our biz.

Vijay, ( and again no offense meant.. ) .. Clearly you have a disspointment in IR's albums.. But seems like you expect one fine day IR to come up with an album to meet your IS9000 expectation.. get real.. it is not going to happen.. it's only going to get worse.. Move on.. We will let you know when he composes a real gem -

The truth of the matter is looks like IR is the only one who comes atleast anywhere near your expectation.. otherwise you would not be in this forum .. instead you would have been in ARR's/Deva's/Vidyasagar's new albums or other threads..

Sorry Vijay, for quoting your name.. I have real respect for your taste and in fact in the mid 90's you were the one who told me about many IR mallu albums.. Until then i never listened to any mallu songs and for me the next best thing to listening to IR's music is listening to his MFM's..

Anyway, for those of you who have not listened " Manasinnakkarre " , please give the songs a try.. I am sure atleast some of you will be hooked to the songs.. .

I am looking forword to "Athu oru Kanaakaalam" and "TIS" .. And i would not care if they are very average or duds. i will not probably add to the " best of best " playlist on my iPod, but will not get dissappointed..

Sorry for the long post guys..
Cheers
MSK

Kiru,

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Originally Posted by kiru

BTW, NagaS, please dont take it personally, I just took this opportunity to address this whole 'disillusionment' with IR's new albums)

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Thanks for your post ... if you read again, I never said 'karakaattakkaari' was bad - I have the CD with me and I listen to it almost everyday - I took the comments of some forumers that IR is doing avg albums, and I was arguing whats wrong, even if he does it for money !

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Originally Posted by kiru

Just because he is a Maestro, he does not need to compose ?

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again, I don't mean it that way - my argument was that, even if he does an album just for money, finishes all the song tunes in 20 minutes and leaves the rest to Karthik Raja or somebody else, how can we say its wrong ? Just a few years back I read IR is in financial trouble (in a way, VM recently indicated that in his kalki interview), and may be he is trying to come out of it ...

Take vairamuthu himself, When IR decided not to use him anymore, he was forced to write vasanam for some telugu dubbing movies etc., Now after 15+ years, what do we remember ? his songs with IR, his songs with ARR and other MDs, not the telugu dubbing vasanams he wrote ... just because he did that, we can't say he disappointed or insulted tamil kavinjars - isn't it ?

May be I am not able to explain clearly, But I am not against IR or I feel IR's recent works are bad - I love each and every song composed by him, and respect him for what he is !

NagaS

Yesterday, I was watching Crazy mohan's interview in RajTV's Urvasi programme. When asked, what he considers as his best dialogue, he said that the dialogue he wrote for Apoorva sagodharargal, where Srividya puts appu down in front of everyone. He said that at the time of writing the dialogue, he didn't feel much about it, but when picturised, the delivery of Srividya, the close up of Kamal and to complete it the music of IlayaRaja completed the feel, adding manifold impact. He said it is one dialogue of his, which made him cry. He credits, Srividya, Kamal and Ilayaraja for making a normal dialogue into something very specal and worth remembering. This is the talent of Ilayaraja. He might not top the charts everytime, but whatever composes operates at a level much deeper emotionally. All chart toppers (including YSR's) operate on only one level, soon they fade off. The music that stays with us are very few, like the melodies of MSV in Paasamalar and Baagap pirivinai and the phenomenal music of Raaja in Udhiri p pookal, mullum malarum, moodu pani, Nandu, metti, Poo vizhi vaasalile. paapayude swandham appoos (Snehathin .. theerathil naan nilkum neram will make you cry, u don't need to know malayalam for that).

http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/spec...yaraja-10.html

IR doing muzik for few kannada movies ? anyone with more details ?

What are the other movie projects he is working on now ? (only active projects please !)

1. Adhu oru kanaak kaalam (BM - Dhanush)
2. Oru naaL oru Kanvu (Fazil - Srikanth)
3. Mumbai Express (Singitham Srinivasarao - Kamal)
4. Maanudan (Nivas, Meena)
5. Twinkle2 Little * (MFM)
6. 1+ Kannada movies ?

Not sure :

1. Cheran's movie with Vijay as hero ?
2. Bala's next movie ? (Why he is giving so much gap in between his movies ?)
3. ??

NagaS

Nagas,
I heard of another Mal movie Balaraman (*ing Mohanlal) and the forthcoming two movies of Webgate company.
Source: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/n/i/malayalam/810/

thanks crvenky,

any other movies in tamil ?

NagaS

Dear Jaiganesh,
Regarding your Thoughts on MFM - Malayalam had always stuck to melodies.. Very Rarely (During the golden days), it has swung to Disco mode. It had very talented MDs like Devarajan, Raveendran, Johsnon, sharath, Ouseppachan etc etc. One reason why you were not able to distinguish between the styles is malayalam songs rarely have a rich orchestra (Due to cost and other Factors). Thats where Ilayaraja and Vidyasagar stand out in MFM. But being an ardent Malayalam Music Lover, and a great fan of Raveendran, im quite comfortable in identifying the stamp of Raveendran and Johsnon in their songs. I would like to differ to the opinion that malayalam didnt had any folk oriented songs. In fact they had, and they will out number the pure carnatic numbers.. Johnson was a real master in creating folk numbers (Melle Melle, Anuraagini, Kannaadikkayyil, Chandanacholayil). Raveendran had an extraordinary talent of mixing Carnatic Music into light music. One should realy go for his light music albums like 'vasanthageethangal', 'ponnonatharangini' etc. They are folk-oriented as well as Carnatic In nature. Still i believe that though degraded over time, Malayalam still occasionally produces very good folk-oriented songs..

We always enjoyed the occasional visits of Ilayaraja, Vidyasagar, Salil Chowdhary, MSV, KVM etc, who also has given good heart-haunting melodies with a native flavor, though they had their unique stamp over them.

Its very easy to rate 'Ponmudippuzhayoram' as average, because we(his fans) always tend to compare him with his own old songs. But i feel compared to contemporary Malayalam songs, the one song 'Oru Chiri Kandal' definitely was an outstanding one. Ilayaraja stamp is there to make you feel it.
But i do agree that the album is way behind from 'Manassinakkare' or 'Kochu Kochu Santhoshangal'

Nkv

Those who are interested in Malayalam Music Discussions, pls join

http://groups.yahoo.com/malayalamfilmmusic

Kannada movies??????I don't know of a single Kannada movie for which IR is composing music.

Naga,Kasturimaan is another film with IR's music,marandhateengala,tech-le ungala adicheNe :D