Raagas,
Superb posts :thumbsup:
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Raagas,
Superb posts :thumbsup:
jaiganes,
ARR has already started a school call KM conservatory to have an indian Orchestra so we need not go to budapest
avarala mudinchatha avar panraru. aana evaru?
Jaiganes
You are right...and i agree with IR too(partially) about dependence.But Who will assume the role of judge, in drawing that line between 'use' and 'dependence'. I say that better judges are listeners themselves since the end product will reach them and they are free to take what they like.composers need to become judges for themselves, but not for others.More so, i dont like IR becoming judgemental about other's works, no matter how much right is his opinion.
And to be fair, i think ARR is not all about technology alone.If it was the case,then anyone with money can get an updated technology now and then.it is just that he mixes tech and organic in a certain fashion that it appeals. Thats all. if it is only technology,we might have already had dozens of ARRs.same applies to any composer infact, be it HJ or Yuvan or just anyone.ultimately, it is the tunes and the arrangements, the proportion of organic vs. synth that defines every composer's slot in the eyes and hearts of music lovers.
suresh
fair enough and i am with IR too when he says that. i appreciate it infact because i too think the same. The only problem i have is - he should not be saying it about others, when he himself is using loops.
Hmm, Let me look at this in a different angle. Have we really praised/felicitated them when they were alive? May be he might have felt that no one recognized those genius well.Quote:
Originally Posted by nanchil_guy
Remember in one of his interviews, he was so serious and said that he replied Bharathiyar saying, "Veedhiyil Isaithaalum Veenaikku isaiundu". So he is in a different world altogether. Do not bring him to the level of cat-fight. That way we are not showing our frustration (IR not being awarded World highest awards) instead we are making him cheap. Please dont do that.
MrJudge - I personally dont like many of ARR's styles - though I must admit he does have a penchant for bringing in/working on new sounds - and noone in this whole world can force me to like someone's music if I dont like it! am sure it applies to you - but when you are in the public limelight, there is no way one can avoid such necessities for being politically correct - whichever way you look at it - audiences have changed their tastes, ppl have no time to contemplate deep abt music etc etc, ARR has come a long way since 1992 and am sure IR understands that and hence in public life, IR cannot shut himself off - it might all be a cosmetic exercise, but howsoever, IR might feel, IMO, he shdnt avoid this function to felicitate another contemporary composerQuote:
Originally Posted by MrJudge
Please revisit what I have typed. I didnt say that ARR is Technology alone. He knows both the techniques and uses then interchangeably. However his influences have yielded a new group of MDs who are slaves to the computer alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
If you go by better judges are the listeners themselves, then thanks for the conversation - when the young Amadeus whose surname is so affectionately attached to ARR wrote a score sheet, the top composers, reviewers and the audience of the time said 'too many notes'. So placing the mass listener as the ultimate judge of quality is a laughable deplorable idea and a best form of insult to talent.
Pure bliss(thanks for bringing that one up) has said he is in the conservatory establishment mode and I hope that his school would churn out more musical minds who wont look at the computer as their teacher and master but as an aide and express themselves musically well. As far as going to budapest is concerned, then the czech orchestra too shall be casualities wont they be bro? Just a pool of artistes alone is not enough to say we wont fly to prague or budapest, the infrastructure to record an ensemble piece also is needed and that quality of sound proofing might have to be built too.
what is IR doing? is the loaded question that pure_bliss has asked out of blissful ignorance. If you want to know what he has done, you have to revisit the entire thread and the archives. He has done enough to inspire everyone to jump higher and at 65+ he is doing enough to keep alive a distinct style of music composition that has been all but destroyed by computer converts and voice altering software.
can anyone in the industry or at least having knowledge of how the two composers work throw some light on their actual work ethics/style etc ?
I know that IR sits down with the director and once he understands the story, its a tete-a-tete with the director abt the situations n songs and then he goes about composing the same - puts down the music for EVERY piece of instrument on staff notation paper and then simply gets the orchestra to play the music as he has written down and then record the same
How does ARR work ? does he write staff notations with every minutest detail worked out in fine detail ? has he ever done that for an ensemble/orchestra ??
What are the differences ?? maybe that will answer some of the questions raised
way to go jaiganes!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
"The only problem i have is - he should not be saying it about others,"
No, no. I am not in favour of issuing ultimatums to artists - mavane, nee ipdi behave pannalaina, nee dhoosu da apdinu. Rahmanai paarataradhum paarattadhadhum IR's own ishtam. We have to understand this clearly - IR will appreciate ARR if he is really appreciative of his music. Apdi pannalaina, I will take it as his belief in his school of thought - and that is a pure, unadulterated-by-societal-norms mindset that I support whole-heartedly. Poramai, kiramainu solravanga sollittu ponga. CR, of all people, I expect you to understand this(based on the CR, the person whom I have visualised based on your blog, assuming I am right about the blog that I am thinking of as yours). Look, my job requires me to be at my best-PR mode all the time, and I know how much I lie to mediocre people to keep my fireplace burning. Heck, I am mediocre myself, and because precisely of that, I support an artist like IR's mindset when he calls spade a spade, and mediocre, mediocre. Who decides what is mediocre? Well, he does, ofcourse. Pinne, avar enna raagas definition padiya pesa mudiyum. As I said, avar appadi thaan. Lets not try to place our values on him.
If IR doesnt feel that about ARR but just comes and offers "engappanum katcherikku ponaan" platitudes, that means nothing to me. My view is he wont do it.That is my evaluation of IR, the person. In his old age, he has made a few compromises but certainly I dont think he will change his fundamental nature.
OTOH, if he comes and praises ARR, that will be true from his heart - I will take that as the ultimate enconmium on ARR because that would mean IR appreciates him truly.