I guess MMA was the reason KSR & Kamal split with that guy 'UStln' going to town saying he didn't like the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arvind Srinivasan
I guess MMA was the reason KSR & Kamal split with that guy 'UStln' going to town saying he didn't like the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arvind Srinivasan
Comeon Venki .. If someone just cant sit through the last 20 min. of any movie, what was built up initially however good is (even if exceptional - in this case about ok) is lost .. How could the movie then do anything in the BO or WOM ? Thats why it settled where it rightly should as far as BO is concerned. As a fan appreciating it is something different ...Quote:
Originally Posted by venkkiram
Venki, I never said its a bad movie. If you had noticed, my earlier post talked about MMA being a missed chance to create something special. The comedy stuck out like a sore thumb and I was kind off let down by the light hearted way in which the whole drama was handled in the latter stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by venkkiram
No, I am not here reviewing MMA from a kamal fan perspective. With the normal parameters we set for any movie watching.. MMA stands with its own merits with respect to screenplay, dialogues and character establishments. Just look at the difference Kamal shown in scripting Sangeetha and Trisha characters. The way both the gals value their life with their ups and downs. Noteworthy. Show me another movie in Tamil to compare such things. I think we talked about many nuances about Kamal's screenplay and settings in the MMA thread during the release. The way Kamal penned the lyrics is a commendable job. Please listen again those bit songs about friendship from that movie. Awesome and captivating. Oorvasi-RameshArvind subplot is so touching and dialogues played a major role in evoking the needed feel. The making of 'Neela Vaanam' is epic. What else you want brother?Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
// If someone just cant sit through the last 20 min. of any movie, what was built up initially however good is (even if exceptional - in this case about ok) is lost // Not at all. A movie is a group of scenes. Not all the scenes a director kept in a movie needs to attract the audience. You grade a movie good or better or best or worst based on how many scenes on the whole you are very much impressed or how many scenes you do not like. Take the case of "Yuththam Sei". Comparing to the build up Mishkin creates from the very first scene, its climax is not up to the expectation. But Yuththam Sei always a top notch creation from Mishkin.
Excellent Venkkiram.Quote:
Originally Posted by venkkiram
Comming to MMA, mine too is a bit differed from yours and closer to Aravind and Bill4u. But your argument is too good (I should give that to you). Let see how people are going to counter and catch-up with it.
Please continue ... finally an interesting thread & discussion.
Venki,Quote:
Originally Posted by venkkiram
While the talk was about BoxOffice and critically acclaimed movies, this movie fails to achieve either of their respective parameters. Reason - despite a reasonable plot independently stitched together with the quality scenes as you describe, the end product falls flat. Why ? Because the screen play is sort of loose and not tightly maintained/coherent all through. Most movie watchers go for the entire package ... And not specifically selective great scenes here and there. It may have the merits and brilliance that Kamal put together but shouldn't we look at how the bridge stands and serves on the river rather than how nice and sturdy some of the quality of the materials are made ? While its just fine to appreciate and enjoy the nuances you describe, the final product should be tailored elegantly for most of the audience, imo. KH said in an interview after the movie when asked if the box office mattered to him - He said 'I wish every movie that I make a box office success' To that end, it couldn't achieve its target.
Nick statement is superb.. "As long as Kamal & investors are happy with the returns, I call that a success. Else, it is loss."Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
But i dont want Kamal to give movies like MX and MMA which is neither here nor there..If he wants to give movies for commercial success then dont use live recording,confused plot like in last 20 mins of MMA..AS,MMKR is great example of excellent commercial movie made diffierently with clear recording,superb acting with body language,no confusion in comedy scenes and also witty/intelligent..
I watched MMA with family and no-one liked the movie except my wife..The strange thing is apart from my wife everyone were kamal fans..My wife is rajni fan and she liked it very much..Before marriage i watched Mumbai express with whole family,again no-one liked the movie except me..The fact is we as core kamal fan were planning to go with family for kamal light hearted movie than serious experimental,hard-hitting movies like Vishwaroopam,Virumaandi(10A is exceptional) but last few light hearted movies MX,MMA were not upto the mark and infact he is more losing the family audience..however dasavatharam,UPO helped him somewhat..kamal has equal amount of old age fans like rajni or even more because most of sivaji fans are kamal fans but all MGR fans are not rajni fans,they are 50-50..
I watched dhrisyam recently and i feel papanasam should release first,This time i can assure the whole of my family will just love the movie and my mom will talk to neighbour papanasam is excellent movie,blah,blah..There are many old women,men above 50 years of age still love to see kamalhaasan movies but kamal is not giving the right movies for them to cherish..Papanasam will cherish them..TN family audience will just love the movie not because its a family movie with thriller but seeing kamalhaasan in family avatar is like once in a decade..
With that momentum he can release Uthama villain next as we feel the BO expectation is 50-50,success of papanasam with family audience expectation will help..No need to bother about vishwaroopam-2 BO success as its having own fan base after Vishwaroopam-1 and Aascar ravi to promote vigorously.
One thing puzzles me no end.
The media forever tries to downplay the BO success of Kamal's films or even his commercial viability to such an extent, as if every movie of his has been turning up huge losses.
simple straightforward logic : if a series of products with a certain brand name continues to fail in the marketplace, no matter what the brand name is, it will bite the dust.
but Kamal has been giving films regularly and that in itself should negate the BO failure claims of a biased media.
Strictly from a commercial point of view, his films are definitely doing more than just breaking even, given that producers are willing to finance him over and over again.
True!! Many willing to produce him/direct him.During Vishwaroopam audio launch murugadoss,dharani,lingusamy were willing to direct him and many producers willing to produce his film..but kamal doesn't accept the request as he feels many producers will not allow him to make movie with liberty..Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
Very recently in a malayalam channel program on Kamal, the guy says :Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
"...... Kamal tried a big experiment in Dasavatharam though it failed.... "
" .... Viswaroopam was made with a lot of challenges.. inspite of all hurdles, it turned out profitable..."
I am sure this guy is not "biased", but how come such a perception is getting created !
They never use "block buster" or "record breaking" kind of statements !!
:lol: nice sarcastic post. Kalakkal maapi. I think a decade after, Venki will be the only one praising MMA. As a Kamal and KSR fan, it is one film that I would like to forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by mappi
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Its sensational and news worthy for the media to publish reports such as 'Kamal's gargantuan project bites dust or Kamal's controversial Hey Ram bombs in boxoffice' etc. to increase frenzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
Why only Kamal?Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
Not many like him - daring, creative and experimental. Will make news if they write negatively on him like that rather than other way :(Quote:
Originally Posted by pushpak
It seems when it comes to which movie will break the top movie in collection, none of kamal's up coming movies are mentioned, it is almost like if it is about BO then ignore kamal...Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
@mappi - why this sarcasm in your post???
there are many other things to write about kamal apart from BO successes nu ninaichirukkalam..........even in the erstwhile Sivaji vs MGR era, Sivaji films' commercial successes eppavume under rated ah than irunthirukku.........Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
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Kamal has 4 options ....... option 1 ) classic plus superhit potential like Thevar magan or Nayagan ...... 2) classic with flop potential ..... Like Anbe sivam or Hey Ram 3) Masala with superhit elements where Kamal can excel in a way only he can ..... eg .. Dasa , VV, VR 1 etc. Option 4 ) masala with no wow element where there is nothing great for Kamal as a performer or screenplay wright ...... classic eg ... Manmadhan Ambu.
I feel option 1 is ideal .... option 2 he can do once in 3 or 4 films to satisfy himself and every 2nd movie has to be option 3 for him to continue as a superstar. Option 4 is a waste of time of the 60 year old legend who has few years left and of his fans.
Great points!! thats exactly i was thinking but cant put it in words,everyone will agree with your point..Quote:
Originally Posted by radiochandra1977
out of 5 movies 2 each for option 1 & 3, 1 movie for option 2....
Option 4 is total waste and infact it damages his name very badly..You see anbe sivam,eventhough its average in collections people still praise him for that movie than any of his movies in last 15 years..
If you notice properly in mumbai express and manmadhan ambu he used the technique like A,B,C for conversation and some kind of music pattern which is quite irritating/confusing..i dont know from where he got that idea..may be execution is not proper
As i typed this 4 pointer .... I also got reminded of another 4 pointer and would invite comments on both my posts.
Kamal is probably the only hero in the world who would have done multiple role movies of all 4 possible categories
1) multiple roles being related by blood ., and their similar appearance is the key to the movie storyline ...eg ...Apoorva sago, MMKR, thoongathey thambi thoongathey, sattam en kaiyil, iru nilavugal, kalyanaraman
2) multiple roles relaated by blood , but their similarity is not the core of the movie ..... eg ....Indian, kadal meengal , mangamma sapatham, punnagai mannan except maamavukku song.
3) multiple roles not related by blood .... but the similarity in appearance is the key concept of the movie ...... eg ... Indiran Chandiran.
4) multiple roles not related by blood and their similarity in physical appearance has no key part in the movie ...... eg .... Dasavatharam
I think some might feel that Kamal is acting too smart and feel happy even when there is minor setback. Others end up constantly comparing him with Rajini and Rajini's brand of uni-dimensional movies. Plus, KH would alternate different kinds of movies...for a stretch of several years, he used to do a quick comedy followed by another longer project.Quote:
Originally Posted by pushpak
The thing is ...it is not so easy differentiating like this when you are about to begin a new movie. With Hindsight, it may be easier to classify movies in this fashion. How do you classify movies like PMK, Panchatantiram, Thenali, Kadhala(2), Mumbai Express etc? They all were similar types of movies lacking the so called WOW factor. Yet, some of the movies mentioned were super hits while others not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by radiochandra1977
Movies like MMKR, Apporva.. Nayagan, Thevar Magan, with the right mix of everything come once in a while and is difficult to recreate at will. That's why KH has worked on so many different films. Collaborating with different sets of people may also be useful. Again, he is doing just that...with 3 very different movies lined up.
I liked MMA...still do. It had a good sense of non-slapstick humor and a non-frenetic pace. More like English movies like Sideways, 4 weddings & a funeral etc. I did not like the Ramesh Arvind bit and also the last several minutes...Those were typical Crazy Mohan. So one has to be careful. Remember, that movie did not take much time at all to make. It was done in less than 50 days.
Today .... all the 5 movies u mentione including thenali and panchathanthitam is a waste of his time in my opinion ..... Mumbai express ... pks .... Kathala kathala .... would be a criminal waste of time.
Thats why i have said potential hits and flops. It could turn otherwise. But the likelihood of Anbe sivam and Hey ram ..... i am sure he would have sensed the BO response even before release.
Based on box office results, one can say that it is waste of time. He should continue to do variety of movies. Agreed, some movies may not make sense any more. But, in the last 8-9 years, there have only been 4 movies...Talk about waste of time. My wish is that he should focus on starting a new movie soon (January 2015) with a defined start and end date.
Kamals himself said : Vettri petra Guna thaan Thevar Makan. Vettri peratha Thevar Makan thaan Guna. Extremely difficult to differentiate between these 2 at the start of the movie and while deciding the budget etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by radiochandra1977
Between 3 and 4 - Again not easy to measure the commercial success - but the 4th category will be a safer bet. Because 4 will be (I assume) can be by directors like Murugadoss or Shankar where Nammavar's involvement would be less or nul. But 3 will still have some elements of risk.
I think that to keep getting funds for 1 and 2, he should do 4 also - But in a short time. He has told in 1991 "acting and dubbing kku mattum ithu vareykum 40 naleykku mele dates ponathu kidayathu"
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PS : Please excuse my Tamil
I did not like Panchathanthiram and Kathala Kathala.. But without such movies and the stardom, will he get distributors?Quote:
Originally Posted by radiochandra1977
Just imagine Virumandi with a no-star-value actor? The movie would have been equally good (probably more convincing) but will he get proper buyers?
Came to know the team is planning to release Uthama Villain by 09-Jan-2015
Wow that would make Pongal really interesting with 2 other films YA and I, but then will there be enough theatres for 3 films?Quote:
Originally Posted by USV
YA and I releasing during pongal is still a question mark like uthama villain..YA still shooting not completed,for I release date is always a mystery becoz of AASCAR..AASCAR is known for releasing high budget movies solely which cant be done on festival days..Quote:
Originally Posted by ramdas2005
Also he always release the press news that movie will be released on this date and will check whether other star studded movies are backing out or not released because of other issues..if others are not backing out and planned to release as per plan then AASCAR will back-out..He normally does this for big budget movies..
Vadivelu shopkeepera merattittu .... othungi ninnu response paappare ...... athu pola sollureenga. 😆
Good observation about Aascar. :lol: Unfortunately Kamal had gone to him for VR-II.Quote:
Originally Posted by USV
RotflQuote:
Originally Posted by USV
AASCAR is a pure pure cunning businessman and he will do anything for business but good thing is he likes kamalhaasan and helps unorthodox/different talented directors/actors which is unusual for pure money minded businessman like him..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinemarasigan
Everyone knows he promotes his movie aggrerssively but unknown thing he will promote other production movies also agressively through posters,theaters illegally..He controls NSC area and all theatre owners will listen to his words..he is like dada among NSC theatre owners..
Do anyone remember who distributed VV? Its AASCAR
http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-mov...ilaiyaadu.html
It is the first tamil movie to release in many theatres in chennai but its not only in chennai its in entire NSC area,he also extended his power towards hosur,bangalore as well..In hosur 1st time the tamil movie released in 2 theaters and bangalore in more theaters..
Do you know how Chithiram pesuthadi became success? Initially it had bad run in theaters then AASCAR acquired the film rights and marketed only the vaala meenu song agressively and the movie became a super hit..To promote vaala meenu song i read somewhere he asked some theater owners in NSC area to play the song during intervals..Organized a group and asked Gana Ulaganathan to roam around places singing the song and ultimately paid some money to music channels to telecast the song frequently..
http://www.sify.com/movies/oscar-to-...fvq1acjaf.html
Kamal missed distributor like him for Anbe sivam and instead he himself took the responsibility of distributing Anbe Sivam..Why he distributed some of his movies by that time is another story..
Everyone knows 10A is the first film to cross 200C in TN & he announced it just recently & not before..10A is the first movie that had 50 shows in mayajaal and as many number of shows in sathyam..he is trendsetter in distribution..
Dont be surprised if 'I' has 125-130 shows/day in mayajaal if its a regular 21/2 hr movie..16 screens * 8 shows(20hrs/screen) =128 shows..
Vishwaroopam is 2 hr movie so it can have 9 shows/screen which will lead to 16*9=144 shows...ha ha..
It is known to many that Aascar distributed Vettaiyadu in NSC, Got good money and produced Dasa...Quote:
Originally Posted by USV
Again He distributed VR, got good money and producing VR-2.