Suresh, rightly put :clap:Quote:
In Nandhalala, Mysskin has chosen to use the background score as a narrative tool. Mysskin has tried to narrate an obvious story through visuals and not so obvious layers of the story through music. That is that.
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Suresh, rightly put :clap:Quote:
In Nandhalala, Mysskin has chosen to use the background score as a narrative tool. Mysskin has tried to narrate an obvious story through visuals and not so obvious layers of the story through music. That is that.
I don't think any script writer will choose a story like nandhala that way and also shoot, edit , add sound effects for that .
The Background score for the film would have been a post- editing perspective that was added and not a choice made at shooting/script stage
Yes, I agree. I didn't mean that he wrote the not-so-obvious layers of the script thinking about Ilaiyaraaja's music. I wrote it in a sense that a filmmaker writes or makes a film even after it is shot and edited; it is just that he doesn't use paper and pen - the tools are different at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumbaiRamki
When IR asked what he should put for the opening credits of the film, it is Mysskin who suggested to leave it without music. He explained why he did so in an interview. That decision of Mysskin, was not written on paper during the scripting/shooting stage. The filmmaker here is using silence a tool to express something and to create an impact on the audience.
Listening to the opening 'Meet Agilan' track (one of the rare close-ups in Mysskin's films!). Would be 10-15 times today.
Finishing chords - some kind of inward-sounding woodwind instrument...wind synth?
Sure synth... but brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
It would be interesting to know how much inputs Mysskin gave to illayaraja before and after the background score. As far as the title score , i think primarly raaja asked , as the titles would be something thats not a part of the script and sometimes sets the mood of the film.I thought Mysskin wanted the viewers to get used to the pace of the film :0Quote:
Originally Posted by sureshmehcnit
Movie may not qualify for National awards if it is a lift, copy or inspiration from some source....don't you think? :roll:
I don't know the facts, I just found out Netflix hosts that ASIAN movie... may be I will check it out in coming days..
too bad if it is not a original idea ...
vinatha.
ஏங்க? அப்படி என்ன பொல்லாத பாவம் சேரப் போகுது? கலை என வந்துவிட்டால், அது நம்மை எப்படியெல்லாம் ஆட்கொள்கிறது என்பதற்கு மட்டுமே முக்கியத்துவம் தரவேண்டுமே தவிர, இது காப்பியா, டீயா என சோதித்துப் பார்க்கக் கூடாதுன்னு சொல்றேன். அன்னை தெரசா சொன்னது ஞாபகத்திற்கு வருகிறது. If you start judging people, you have no time to love them.Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
no பாவம் done .
நேஷனல் அவார்ட்ஸ் ரூல்ஸ் என்னன்னு எனக்குத்தெரியாது ...அதான் கேட்டேன். :)
moreover
there may be some films with original & inspiring theme ,may have good enough bgm by some music director or IR himself. Don 't you think they should be rewarded & encouraged ..after all they earned it honestly.
வினதா .
அது அவார்டு கமிட்டிக்கே தெரியாது :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
That apart, even movies that are re-made after acquiring rights from another language have got national awards in certain categories. (e.g. KSC winning award for Hindi version of inji iduppazhagi after SJ won for Thamizh previously).
Movies that are "copied" / "inspired" etc won't have any restrictions at all, for any recognition - let alone national awards.
Didn't TIME magazine list nAyakan among greatest movies ever made (after being very well aware of the inspiration / scene lifts etc from Godfather)?
yeah...
we have been enjoying lifted / inspiration movies from other sources.. so many movies from dil hai ke manta nahin to thenali...
but they should not be rewarded in National level awards.
those adaptations should be excluded however fantastic they are!
They should start doing it at least from now on.. :)
vinatha.
Vinatha,
Proof for the Janaki - Chitra getting NA for the same song :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...layback_Singer
p.s. Many Thamizh songs have received NAs for female singers and three women from TN have got NAs - K B Sundarambal, Vani Jayaram and Bhavatharini.
thanks.
chinna info..Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
Even Oscars award has a "best adapted" screenplay awards.
They dont make a distinction if the movie was inspired or not.
Scorcese received best director award for "The Departed" which was an adaptation of "Internal Affairs" a hong Kong movie.
My opinion is - It is ok to be inspired and "Story" is an overrated concept in films. It is the narration and telling that make an interesting film - not just the story...
Forget what OSCARS are doing, it is not about them!
yeah...
not just a story alone...
but think of a movie like அங்காடி தெரு losing to நந்தலாலா ..
It is not a fair play.
first thing first... originality...then look into other aspects.
vinatha.
On BGM?Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
AT's BGM is pathetic and shouldn't be considered for anything. (Still, it doesn't matter to me if it wins NA, as that'll further strengthen my conviction about how hopeless NA awArdu committiees are)
NL's BGM?
Yet to watch, so can't comment on it now:-)
not just BGM.
You are not even in the game in the first place for any awards.
I think it not practical... why are we talking about it!
but
அங்காடி தெரு team, I am very proud of you. :clap:
Vinatha.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Sureshs65,
"கே.வி.மகாதேவனும், கர்நாடக இசையும்" என்ற தலைப்பில் வந்துள்ள உங்களது கட்டுரையை சொல்வனம் தளத்தில் வாசித்தேன். சிறப்பாக இருந்தது. வாழ்த்துக்களும் நன்றிகளும். தகவலை பதிவேற்றம் செய்த ஜெமோ-விற்கும் நன்றி.
Mysskin with IR fans at Sathyam
http://www.ayngaran.com/frame.php?iframepath=home.php
நன்றி. பல ராஜா ரசிகர்களை பார்த்ததில் மகிழ்ச்சி. எல்லோரும் ராஜா இசையில் நீங்கள் இன்னும் பல படங்கள் செய்யவேண்டும் என்பதை கோரிக்கையாய் வைக்கும் வேளையில் ஒருவர் ஒரு படி மேலே போய், "நீங்கள் யுவன், கார்த்திக் ராஜாவுடனும் படங்கள் செய்ய வேண்டும்" என்ற குடும்ப விசுவாசத்தைக் காண்பித்த போது என்னையும் அறியாமல் சிரித்து விட்டேன்.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fliflo
I think being original cannot be the first . A movie like nandhalala losing to a original movie like Pen Singam ( written by CM ) is not fair !Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
And the term originality itself is very controversial . WHat we define as copy and what as inspired is always subjective. If you forget the legal aspect to it , having a screenplay straight out of a novel is definetly not original . But how different is it , if a director listens to a story of man and makes it as a screenplay ? Do we call that original ? So is NK original ?
I always found it difficult to make this judgement - hence for me , except in cases of blantant (50%) of scene conception being copied , all other movies fall under the same umbrella .
AT is shot very well and has a very natural flow to it ( except in few scenes ) , whereas Nandhalala is visually too powerful and takes the sense of direction to a new level. I loved both of them .
AT's BGm was good , i don't think it was bad !But comparing to Nandhala - :)
கருத்தோடு ஒத்துப்போகிறேன்.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumbaiRamki
I didn't compare the BGM of At to Nandhalala or any other movie.
now you are highlighting some other movie & saying it is not fair.Quote:
I think being original cannot be the first . A movie like nandhalala losing to a original movie like Pen Singam ( written by CM ) is not fair !
We were just wondering about this inspiration, lift, borrow or adaptation etc.. & the national award rules which I don't know.. not to mention even the committee don't know too..according to App_eng :lol:
Indeed it is very difficult. that's why we moved on...
Slumdog Millionaire ... book adaptation won India two OSCARS :)
but..
they give credit to original book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slumdog...e_book_Q_.26_A
I just sat to watch the rainmaker - 90S MOVIE.. Which is also based on a novel, they give credit honestly.
it is good.
but credit கொடுக்காமல் நானே எழுதினேன் அப்படி சொல்லி அவார்ட்ஸ், rewards போனால், it is not right.
Who follows all these things....
better we move on...:D
Vinatha.
Hi Vinatha akka
Hmm as far as i know, myskin clearly tell in that interview that, the platform is taken from his "manaseega guru" Takeshi Kitanoīs Kikujiro.
His brother is mentally challenged and he wanna make a film out of it, and found this Kikujiro platform as the fundament for Nandhalala. And he will be greatful if he one day could sit and watch this film with Takeshi Kitano and that he dedicate this movie to him.
So it is not like he havenīt revealed anything of the inspiration and doesnīt give the credit to where he get the inspiration from.
-kanna-
oh...thanks.
But I didn't think or say NANDHALALA is not Myskin's original work or Myskin is not giving credit if it is adapted etc.. :)
I don't know about the facts.
Just this morning I found the ASIAN movie in Netflix which I plan to watch someday.. :)
then we start wondering about lift, copy etc.. & National awards rules
vinatha.
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies...boxoffice.html
Fate of Nandhalala. Enna Koduma Sir ithu.
சினிமா என்பது பொழுதுபோக்கு என்ற உண்மையை மறந்துவிட்டு, கலைஞர்கள் தங்கள் திருப்திக்காக எடுக்கும் சினிமாவுக்கு என்ன கதி நேருமோ, அது நந்தலாலாவுக்கும் நேர்ந்திருக்கிறது.
இரண்டாம் கட்ட நகரங்கள் மற்றும் கிராமப்புறங்கள் சார்ந்த திரையரங்குகளிலிருந்து இந்தப் படம் இரண்டே நாட்களில் தூக்கப்பட்டிருக்கிறது. குறைந்தபட்சம் அடுத்த வெள்ளிக்கிழமை வரை கூட படம் தாக்குப் பிடிக்கவில்லை.
நகர்புறங்களில் மிகச் சில திரையரங்குகள் மட்டுமே சுமாரான கூட்டத்துடன், இந்தப் படத்தை ஓட்டிக் கொண்டுள்ளன, அது கூட வரும் வெள்ளிக்கிழமை வரைதான்!
வெள்ளிக்கிழமை 3 புதிய படங்கள் ரிலீஸாவதால், நந்தலாலா தாக்குப்பிடிப்பது கஷ்டம் என்கிறார்கள் விநியோகஸ்தர்கள்.
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Venki: Sincere thanks for reading the article and liking it.
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I think this is true . In Ganapathy ram , it has been replaced with CHiku Buku (Santhanam+ Arya combo). But considering the shoe string budget of Nandhala, a decent run in Multiplexes should be ok i guess .Quote:
Originally Posted by K
if this is true, for Mysskin it might be upsetting - for IR (despite his efforts as well as his passionate involvement), this is just another 'thing'!Quote:
Originally Posted by K
at the peak of his career, IR did a phenomenal score for a film "Eera vizhi kaaviyangal" - that album would easily figure in his Top 10 most creative and evocative albums of his career - the film released in 1982, apparently did not run for more than 2-3 days even in the heart of Chennai !
have not seen the film yet - but this only shows that "tamil cinema vukku vimochanamey kidaiyaadhu" !
2 kutthu songs, 2 fights, a vadivelu/vivek comedy track are all that are needed for a decent run of any film!
indha latchanathula, it took such a long time for Ayngaran to release the film! EKSI!
irir123 ,
I thought Nanadhalala had a decent opening only because of the 'delay' and the resulting curiosity associated with that . IMHO, it is still having decent crowds in multiplex with 2 shows a day , which is OK .
Movies without the commercial formula like AT have tasted success. But nandhala is visually over powering with lot of sub texts that it takes a practice to appreciate such movies. SOmehow i could not identify with the characters , but identified with the Philosphy of it here ! You don't expect ' What next' in a journey, you just experience it .
In case of AT , there was no such thing. It has a simple , lovable story,presentation and direction . All you need is to identify with the characters and the story will take care of not making u see the watch .
saw movie! impressed with BGM at lot of places but most of them didnt register in mind.
பல இடங்களில் மெலிதாய் அழுதேன்! ராஜா செண்டிமெண்ட்? மிஸ்கின்? இசை? புரியல!! ஆனாலும் இந்த பீலிங் நல்லா இருந்தது.
பாடல் கள் குறைவாகவே பயன்பட்டிருந்தது. அதுவே போதும். தாலாட்டு கேட்க நானும், என்று ராசா ஆரம்பிக்க, கண்ணீரை கட்டுப்படுத்தமுடியவில்லை
நண்பர் சுரேஷ் எல்லா பின்னணி இசையையும் தரவிறக்க சுட்டி வைத்திருக்கிறார். மீண்டும் அதை பல முறை கேட்ட பின்னர், ராஜா இன்னும் பல பல விஷயங்கள் செய்திருக்கலாம், கொஞ்சம் ரொம்பவே மிஸ் பண்ணிட்டார் என்றே தோன்றுகிறது. காரணம், பல இடங்களில் காட்சி மூலம் கதை செல்கிறது. வசனம் பல இடங்களில் இல்லை.
பல இடங்களில் பின்னணி இசை ஒரு கருவியில் வாசிக்கப்படாமல் பல கோர்வை உள்ளது. இதை தவிர்த்து ஒரு டியூன் ஒரு கருவி என்று நச்சென்று தந்திருக்கலாமோ என்று தோன்றுகிறது.
படம் முழுக்க வரும் மைய இசை இன்னும் கொஞ்சம் நன்றாக இருந்திருக்கலாம் என்று படுகிறது.
எது எப்படியோ, பல இடங்களில் என் கண்களில் கண்ணீர். அதுவே போதும். ஆயிரம் பாராட்டுப்பதிவுகள் தரும் நெகிழ்ச்சியை ஒரு சொட்டு கண்ணீர் தந்தது
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UFnSMe4g2s...lery_thumb.jpg
this ad was released during audio launch.
appove mysskin name comes under raja. great!
Cannot agree more. This is my crib with all of IR's recent BGM works.Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Saw the movie yesterday ..My thoughts
When I saw the original a few years back (I watched this movies even before Nandalala was launched), it was not the "Searching for mother" that was the predominant theme. The theme (atleast what I got out of the movie) is accpetance of socially outcast people. Every person in the movie that they encountered, they socially considered "weird" including Myskin's character. When they all come together to bring a smile in the face of the little boy whose search ended in disconsolence, they all brought a cheer in our psyche that we should give everyone a chance.
Myshkin cleverly adapted the screenplay to centralize on the mother theme. This movie is more than "inspired". I saw an interview where one asked him "why do characters in the movie look down all the time?" and he explained "helplessness!" . That was a lie straight from the heart. If you watched the original, thats how they all start the shot. Its a commom begiining shot of a scene in most japanese movies that I have seen. I concur with all of you who says that he should have credited the movie in the cards.
But thats not taking anything away from Myshkin, his shots were unbelievable and textbook to anyone who wants to be different. The angle and pan of the camera, is something noone has witnessed within the format of tamil cinema. HIs vision of the movie is way better than the original. Here is one guy who understands the medium in its truest sense. Wide angle shots reiterates his vision of storytelling. Bravo Myskin. After Mani demise as a story teller in Raavan, you are the one whom we will look forward to holding the torch in the future. But Bala remains our most original voice ever seen in Tamil Cinema.
About Raja's score. He might have been compelled by Myskin ont he use of silence. Towrds the end, my eyes and the score had reached a mutual understanding. Cry Violin Cry!!. I woudlnt go to the extent of calling it his best score. Since this movie is silent most of the time, it was the music which spoke most of the time. I still think he could have exploded in certain scenes. (which is strictly my expectation of IR). The original movies score (rain/summer) will be hard to beat. But Raja scores in certain scenes where he was presented the oppurtunity to do it. Overall great but cud have been spectacular coz I dont imagine any of the movie in the distant furture where he will have this opportunity.
It was a tribute to Tamil Cinema at its best. Take a bow Raja/Myskin.
I have read in a blog about how Japanese dont like to make eye contact and their head typically remains bowed out of respect for the other person...Quote:
"why do characters in the movie look down all the time?" and he explained "helplessness!"
பிற மொழி / பிற நாட்டு படங்களை தழுவி/காப்பி அடிப்பது என்பது தவிர்க்க முடியாதது. இதனால் நமக்கும் சில நல்ல திரைப்படங்களை காணும் வாய்ப்பு கிடைப்பதால் நான் இதை எதிர்ப்பதில்லை. மூலத்திற்கு "நன்றி" சொன்னால் நன்றாய் இறக்கும், ஆனால் வணிக/சட்ட காரணங்களுக்காக இதை செய்ய முடிவதில்லை. (சில வருடம் முன் "ஹரி புத்தர்" (sound similar to Harry Potter) என்ற பட தலைப்பை எதிர்த்து Warner Brothers case ஆரம்பித்ததை நீகள் கேள்வி பட்டிருக்கலாம். உலக மயமாக்கலால், இந்த தழுவல்/காப்பி இன்னும் ஒரு 10-15 வருடங்களில் மிக கடினமாகிவிடும்).
இப்படி தழுவி/காப்பி அடித்து எடுக்கும் பொழுது கதை எந்த அளவுக்கு நமது கலாச்சாரத்தை ஒத்து உள்ளது என்பதை கவனிக்க வேண்டும். சில கதைகளை அப்பிடியே அடிக்கலாம் - உதாரணம் அவ்வை ஷண்முகி. சில கதைகளை அப்படியே எடுத்து நமது கலாச்சாரத்திற்கு தகுந்த மாதிரி மாற்றலாம் - நாயகன், தேவர் மகன் போல. சில கதைகள் என்ன செய்தாலும் நமக்கு அந்நியமாகவே தெரியும் - சிகப்பு ரோஜாக்கள், காதல் கொண்டேன் போல. பொதுவாக அன்னியமாக தெரியும் கதைகளை தமிழில் எடுப்பதை தவிர்ப்பது நல்லது.
நான் இன்னும் நந்தலாலா பார்க்கவில்லை - மிஸ்கின் எந்த அளவுக்கு இந்த கதையை நம் கலாச்சாரத்திற்குள் கொண்டு வந்திருக்கிறார் என்று பார்க்க வேண்டும். அதுவே மிஸ்கினின் வெற்றி/தோல்வியை குறிக்கும் (குறைந்த பட்சம் என் பார்வையில்)
Jaiganes,
Thats an interetsing premise. It may be true coz of thier culture.
Genesis,
Trust Me, Myskin has not alienated the concept. The above mentioned fact regarding people always looking down, I dont know if i have ever seen that in our culture. If you take that apart Myskin has compelled us to believe that the motherly love that the boy longed for is given to the boy from unexpected quarters. I dont know how he could go wrong ont hat one coz mothers love cannot be an alienated concept. The characters he threw on us are very much believable from our cultural point of view.
Myskin's victory is not in the concept. But his thinking as a filmmaker. Just imagine these two scenes
1. He rushes angrily to meet his mother and then he sees a gate in between , take his time to go and swing on the gate while opening it and resumes his walk
2. He keeps scratching his hand on the wall before he goes to meet his mother and then when he walks picking up his mother in his hands, his mother tries to scratch the wall using her toes.
Not in the original, Nobody can even imgine this.
His victory will not be determined if this movie is a commercial success or not. He is now up with Mahendran,BR.
அவ்வளவு சீக்கிரம் முடிவு செய்யாதீர்கள். சில வருடங்கள் முன்பு செல்வராகவனை மணி ரத்தினத்தோடு ஒப்பிட்ட மாதிரி ஆகி விட போகிறது.Quote:
Originally Posted by sloshed
Well written sloshed - although i found that the 'Taking a bow' and ' shots through legs ' are trademark from Anjathey and not just here .Quote:
Originally Posted by sloshed
Wondering whats the effect of seeing too many movies ( mysskin) and almost no foriegn movies ( bala ) .