thiruvasakam in symphony

Guys,
I too have requested to tamilnapster@gmail.com and webmaster@mohankumars.com with my following message to remove TIS from their site.

SUB: Thanks for helping us !!! Help us better !!!
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Hi,

Nice to note your interest in publishing Tiruvasagam In Symphony on your site.

In fact, now every tamizh music lovers are celebrating the release as their home festival. Everyone is volunteering to showcase this album as their pride includuing yourself.

But kindly try to understand that it is not a project of any individual. It is a public project. People like you and me have invested lakhs of rupees to make this happen. It has undergone a lot of financial hurdles to see the lime light.

Having said that it looks unfair for me to see the complete mp3 files on your site. Even though I agree your point that it is published as a preview clips to promote the album, you can host a portion of clips rather hosting the full lenght ones. The reason is, not all surfers on net are genuine as we expect. These mp3s may sometimes fulfill their needs rather tempting to buy the original CD.

So I thank you in advance for removing TIS from your site.

Hail...hail...Tamizh.

With regards and thanks,
music lover.

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here is Mohankumar's contact info (don't know if it is up to date from whois.com) in case you want to call and request him to remove the mp3..

Kumar, Mohan mohankumars@hotmail.com
#207, 7230 - Elwell Street
Burnaby, NA V5E 1K8
CA
604-306-7776

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tmstorrents posted in their website too

Dear Father Jegath / Dr. Shankar.

Iam sending this message from Trichy, my native. I went to Rhythemboss, a noted music centre in Trichy, situated near Cnetral Bustand.

I got introduced myself as a Tamil Mayyam Volunteer(sorry for saying so without your permission) and a member of IR Yahoo Group and enquired abt the sales.

The message is very clear.

Friends, its a super hit in Trichy. The shop has sold 200 copies, which they have ordered, on July 2 itself, the day they recd them. Now he is complaining that he needs more of CD and Tapes as well, he is now more interested in DVD.

So please ask Rep's of Welgate to contact them immediate.

I will try to provide you information from places i go and as i travel.

Thanks and regards,
Raaja Rasikan

I agree with what Rajasaranam says below. The music we hear in this is something that we have been exposed to in one way or other through his film songs. Of course, this attempt is fresh and very unique but I do think that this is not something completely new (saying this in a positive way..not negative).

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quote="rajasaranam"]After repeated hearings.....

The album is not entirely new in my perception. it is RAJA stamp all over the album. The album reminds me more of yesteryear IR compositions. The only difference is that, the orchestration is performed by BSO. Apart from that the album is a treat for lovers of 80's IR which had rich orchestral and choral backing. The album on the whole makes me yearn for such orchestrations in his film songs too which he has lessened in the post 97 scenario. Its all Synths only nowadays for his film music. This album proves beyond doubt that IR can still give us the orchestration and his trademark tunes for which most of his fans are longing for, AIMHO :)

BTW anybody noticed the music which comes in 'polla vinayaen' at the fag end ' just before 'Easan adi potri...' I heard it in 'Kadhal kondaen' as BGM.....[/quote]

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Originally Posted by Raaja Rasikan

I got introduced myself as a Tamil Mayyam Volunteer(sorry for saying so without your permission) and a member of IR Yahoo Group and enquired abt the sales.

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Raaja Rasikan,

You need not be sorry, We are all volunteers in the interest of Tamil mayyam and IR :)

I talk to Mohankumars and he said he will not release teh full MP3 in his site. He is a fan of IR (not to be surprised) and he completely understand the effort involved in this project.

Lets thank him for what he is doing.

Lets all request Tamilnapster to remove from his site.

Thanks
NJV

I have sent this mail to TamilNapster

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Dear Maja

I am sure you have been getting various mail from various people, both requesting you to upload MP3 of Thiruvasakam and also to remove them from your site.

As you know, Thiruvasakam is a project that took 1.1 crore, of which 35 lakhs came in from donations made by public. The remaining 75 lakhs are collected thru' loans, of which few of them are interest free loans, but most of them are interest loans. The interest that TamilMaiyam (specifically Rev Fr Jegath) pays is in lakhs a month. The only way that he can recover from his life long debt is by selling as many CDs as they can. Only for this purpose, he also agreed to sell the CD for rs 150 and Cassettes for Rs 90. With discounts people are getting CDs for as low as 120 and cassettes for 75 Rs.

To summarize, I would like you to consider the following
a. the monumental tasks Tamil Maiyam has taken
b. The outstanding debt TamilMaiyam has
c. Dependency of commercial success of TIS for future release of such good projects

I humbly request you to kindly remove them from you link. I am not sure how can I repay for doing this, but if you want me to wash your feet for this, I will do that. Please kindly accept my mail (among many other mails) and remove the songs from your site.

I do hope that you will honor our request and remove them from your site and my sincere thanks to you for doing this.

Thanks
IRDevotee

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Hopefully he will understand this and remove as soon as he can.

Hmmm As far as i see there is no use in persuing this matter with Tamilnapster.:(
Here is my PM and Reply
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Maja,

I dont want to demean your intentions and purpose of promoting this album and tamil music. And ive gone through your post and request for people to donate for this album. Hope we can belive that people wil buy this album after listening to. but how far can they be trusted.
You certainly know the way MP3's can be circulated Over the net. one person downloading doesnt end there, but it multiplies manyfold in the cyberworld.
If you mean to do it for review purpose only you can consider doing some of these
# Edit the Songs and upload some fine bits and pieces only
# Else add a watermark like 'You are listening to Tamilnapster.com' every 30 seconds or so, so that the people dont get the complete richness as to when they listen it through original CD"s. this can be done using any audio editing tools.
# Else for this album alone upload a low quality like a RM file or 32 kpbs MP3 only.

Ill help you in doing any of the above, if you wish to help the cause of tamil mayyam.

regards,
Rajasaranam
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Hi Rajasaranam,

Great to see you keep PM'ing me and regarding your request, I am sure most of the people who heard the songs would definitely buy the album and I have received more than 20+ emails thanking for the songs and they have ordered them online.

All these were since TN gave them a chance to hear those songs before purchase. So I think I am moving in the right track and TN will always move in the right track.

Also you ideas were really good, I hope to start a streaming section in TN, where people could listen to the songs online, now that all expense have been made my be solo, I am looking forward for Donation and support from Advertisers.

Incase you wish to donate/help/join TN Team, you can contact me at : tamilnapster@gmail.com

Thanks,
Maja
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Hope Tamil mayyam/Wellgate Take up the matter in their own hands to end this issue

I called Mr.Mohankumar!! He informed me he has already removed mp3s but hosting only sample tracks(which is good!!). Thanks Mr.Mohankumar for your kind, positive response!!! Great Day! vinatha

Thanks to you guys, mohankumars web-site has even taken away the samples and asks for donation to listen to the samples. Now, I am really not sure if I should buy it or not. :!:

Friends,
Got this positive reply from TamilNapster. Hope this will be done soon.

Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 01:45:39 +0530
From: "TamilNapster.com" <tamilnapster@gmail.com> Add to Address Book

As your request, I will do as you say. Please provide me sometime, so that I can remove the songs and put only bit tracks for Preview Purpose.

Thanks,
TN Admin

Tamilmaiyam or the Welgate audios shall release the sales figure for the first week in an official manner in their website/in a popular weekly or website.This will give more awareness and more people would buy.

Dear All,
Cd piracy mattum prob illai.Naam yaaruku ellam tharugiromo, avaragalukum idhai kattayam puriya vaika vendum.En relatives ku naan free ya than thandhaen.Appodhu avargal casualaga avargal friend ku cd writer il write siedhu tharugiraen enru sonnargal.Shock anaen.Avargauluku TIS in hard work patri details solli,cd write seiya vendam enru kettu kondaen.
So naam ,nammai sutri ullavargalukum idhai spread seiya vendiya kattayum irukiradhu enru ninaikiraen.
With Love,
Usha Sankar.

hi all,
i had a chance of speaking to one of the tiruvasagam distributor, he told me in music world ( spencers ) on the 1st sale itself was 720 cds

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Originally Posted by tvsankar

Dear All,
Cd piracy mattum prob illai.Naam yaaruku ellam tharugiromo, avaragalukum idhai kattayam puriya vaika vendum.En relatives ku naan free ya than thandhaen.Appodhu avargal casualaga avargal friend ku cd writer il write siedhu tharugiraen enru sonnargal.Shock anaen.Avargauluku TIS in hard work patri details solli,cd write seiya vendam enru kettu kondaen.
So naam ,nammai sutri ullavargalukum idhai spread seiya vendiya kattayum irukiradhu enru ninaikiraen.
With Love,
Usha Sankar.

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Well said

The essence of music is much more felt listening with a headphone.
It really is a huge difference to listening without headphone.

Here's the link to Hindustan Times' article on Tiruvasakam, based on their interview/ pressmeet with Tamil Maiyam.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...9,00110005.htm

Firstly, the article heavily underplays the role of IR in this effort.

Secondly it throws in something new - that it was inspired by Messiah, the oratario. Well, inspiration being the most (ab)used word in India, especially when it comes to music, it can be interpreted by the readers in many ways... I wonder what prompted Fr. Jagath to say so to the mainstream media? The article implies as if the objective was to simply create a Hindu version of a popular Christian performing art form. There's a risk of people north of the Vindhyas equating this effort (if at all they bother to read about it) as yet another "copied work" from the West.

I too saw this, and I sent the following mail to HT...Not sure how they would take it.
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I got a chance to read the article named "Global musicians sing paeans to Lord Shiva" by the associated press published in your website.
First thing, the article tries to justify the 'name' given to the article and underplays the role of the composer.
The whole idea was conceived and crafted by Ilaiyaraja, and Mr. Lszlo kovacs (the conductor), Mr. Stephen Schwartz & Richard King have played a very good supporting role.
But the article doesn't seem to imply this.
I have read a few articles and interviews as to how the whole idea came to Mr. Ilaiyaraja and how he went about finding the right people to bring out this album. I feel sad that his contribution hasn't been highlighted at all.

While everyone's involvement is important to produce a great product, one cannot underplay the role of the main composer, and the man who dared to create a work no Indian composer had even thought before.
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One more review @

http://santhoshguru.blogspot.com/2005/07/blog-post.html

I have also posted a feedback to HT along the lines of what Shankar has posted - I suggest that each and everyone of us do the same, highlighting the fact that TiS is Maestro's brainchild and that the others only played supplemental roles

if anyone can translate the tamil word 'MeiSilirthal' to english, this is what the feeling i
got after hearing Thiruvasagam, ofcourse not to deny the fact that i got it after multiple hearings...
to be truthful, i was not very much impressed after hearing for the first time, but repeated hearings had
placed me in a no man land in complete darkness. People talk much about 'Polla Vineyen', no doubt that
it is a complex master piece....so need more time for my brain to digest...
But i am very much impressed on 'Poovar Senni Mannan', the reason being the hummings and the chorus
has completely winded me to a unknown place, i felt as if i am stepping to a place somewhere
near to the vicinity of Lord Shiva. No exagerration...its is just a true feeling....the background symphony,
the hummings, the vocals has put the impact that the listeners are slowly nearing to Lord's Dharshan something
similar to Tirupathi Lord Balaji's Dharhsan...and the music seems to float in the air coming from that place....

one more thing.....some of the reviews say that the music is not something new and
gives the feeling of already heard music of Raja. Though this seems to be true, i don't see
Raja Sir using any of his existing song completely here unlike other MDs who use their full length cine songs in such albums.
Raja has taken the music from his own cupboard and that too from his own creation.
The similarity is only for few seconds and very naturally it deviates after that to
a totally different pattern.
So guys don't think too much abt these things :P

all other songs are simply great and must thank Raja Sir and all the people who have put their unrepayable efforts
in giving new birth to this monumental piece in 21st Century!!

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Originally Posted by jeeves

One more review @

http://santhoshguru.blogspot.com/2005/07/blog-post.html

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Two things

1. Lot of people expected Thiruvasakam to be something like "Skantha Shashti Kavasam" or "Subrabatham" - For them its a disappointment

2. Lot of people find similarities in his earlier tunes - probably true, but the composition and orchestraization is beyond TFM

I am 100% sure that IR achieved wanted he to achieve - to reach youth. I dont think any youth now a days will sing "segu guna segu guna segu guna segana" but they are singing "kothumbi". I know two youth (19 telugu guy and 23 tamil guy) both listening to Thiruvasakam in "loop" and thats more than enough for IR.

If someone didnt get the Symphony / Oratorio in these songs, but could only see IR's 80's songs, then its simply, IRs 80s songs have Symphonic form in it.

I think what IR has done to my religion is amazing..I now know a bit of thiruvasagam and I should thank him for that..Kothumbi song rocks!!!!

Wuld luv to see my ARR composing for such things..but I am not sure whether he wuld take up a project that is religion based..

Gopiharan,
I echo your sentiments and experience on 'near God' vision. If you hear Namachivaya vazhga chorus in the middle (around 6:00) of Polla vinayen track (especially while listening during early mornings) you will experience as if you are in Himalayas entering the abode of Shiva. You can also experience visuals like the opening sequence in Thiruvilayadal - Lord Shiva accompanied by Devas, Nandi, etc.

Dear all,
With overwhelming feeling of gratitude and pride I am writing this!
20 months ago, when I made an appeal in this forum for TiS[thuscalled then!], I did it with confidence in my mind that our people here will hear the good cause and will help for sure.
Despite a few of us rediculing this project, most of you stood by us and encouraged with your words and dollars and loans at every crucial stage without which this project would not have been completed. For this, we, in USa , can definitely raise our collars that we accomplished this which otherwise would have just stayed as Maestro's brainchild only. We all can proudly say this to our children and grandchilden that we played our part in this noble task!
I thank each and every one of you from the bottom of my heart for making this happen and now, making this into the 'Greatest album' ever, despite the limitations we face of proper advertisement, distribution and promos.
Still, you are turning this album into a successful venture by word of mouth only and all your efforts and concerns for not getting this diluted by vested websites is gatefully acknowledged.
Now, I have this one more request! Please do not make copies for your friends and family. Encourage them to buy only the original CD from us. Visit www.tis-usa.com for updates. Write to us in tisusa@gmail.com. Last but not the least, having heard this wonderful album, please make this as your "gift idea for the ret of the year for any occasion" by buying a few more copies for the purpose.
Once again, a BIG thanks to all of you! Your continued inputs and co-operation is highly appreciated.
YIA!!
anbudan,
Dr.Sankarkumar

TISK, I hope your efforts are better acknowledged aside from the posts here. There must be a mention somewhere of the TIS-USA team in the credits.

Regarding TIS sales, so far Tamil population in India and US
seem to have constituted the bulk of the customer base.
Are there any plans to take it further beyond TN in india and beyond US to other continents? I hope that more in Europe(Austria, Germany, Italy etc.) get to hear this. After all that was one of the purposes of TIS, to present our spiritual work to the European audience in their format. They are the WCM gurus. Their attention to this work is needed.

i am still to get my copy .. anywayz having listened to the samples.. and the reviews here I am sure IR has done a stupendous job... great job...

congrats to the people who have sweated for this dream project ... I am sure your names will be carved in the history ....


Digression :

For the last several days .. there have been cries over illegal hosting of mp3 files over the internet.. people have written to the concerned folks to stop hosting mp3 files to avoid drop in sales. It just made me think .. when it comes to 'self' we talk about public money and stuff... how about if we continue the same attitude towards other albums as well.. have a policy not to download any songs from the net.. after all a producer is a human too .. he invests all his money in a project and we all download songs.. ALL includes me too.. So may the people invovled passionately in trying to stop mp3 downloads.. take up this cause as well.. do not post mp3 files period..!!!

Thanks

TFM admin

One big favor from you guys. Is there anyway, we could pull up all the reviews on TBI (TIS) into the top page of this thread. This would serve as a reference and go a long way in terms of promoting this great endeavor to people who still don't know about this.

I am sorry I am not sauve enough to know how to do it if it can be done easily. Anybody's help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.

http://srikanthd.blogspot.com/2005/0...adventure.html

`A classical adventure' calls Srikanth...(veteran Df'er / Composer)

http://www.domesticatedonion.net/blog/?item=545

Could any of you active 'Blog searchers' collect all these reviews and send to tisusa@gmail.com please? 'app_engine? p?'
Thanks.
YIA!!

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Originally Posted by TISK

Could any of you active 'Blog searchers' collect all these reviews and send to tisusa@gmail.com please? 'app_engine? p?'
Thanks.
YIA!!

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This is in no way complete. But I did go back a few pages and did this.

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Bloggers on TBI:

http://srikanthd.blogspot.com/2005/0...adventure.html
http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Thir...a-77462-1.html

News coverage:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...9,00110005.htm
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems...festyle&Page=4
http://www.dailythanthi.com/article....sdate=7/1/2005
http://www.hindu.com/2005/07/01/stor...0114131500.htm
http://newstodaynet.com/01jul/rf2.htm
http://www.dinamalar.com/2005july01/imp55.asp
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050629/ap/d8b17v3o0.html
http://www.hindu.com/2005/06/29/stor...2907960100.htm
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...ents/7635.html
http://dinakaran.com/daily/2005/Jul/...topstory4.html

Picture Gallries of functions
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...ents/7696.html


Thiruvasagams Tranlation in English by Rev. G.U.Pope

http://www.shaivam.org/siddhanta/thivapop.htm

Vijayr,

Romba naala neenga kaettuttu iruntha 'Ananda Vikatan' -Sujatha article
http://desikann.blogspot.com/2005/06/blog-post_20.html

Just today i got the CD from TIS -USA. In the second song "Polla vinaiyen" the 2 mins from 5:30 - 7:30 is sheer bliss. Just for this 2 mins Sujatha sonnadhu madhiri One crore tharalam. Its like flying to Kailash and seeing Shiva . Cant explain more. This piece moves you to tears.

Does it touch your heart the way it should?

I can't sit and do any analysis of the orchestration or the complexity or the simplicity of the music becos I don't know all that. It must simply move my heart without me making any effort. Does it have that quality?

In that case, I will give it a shot.

'Karthi' said it right!
Do not try to analyze this 'Classical cross-over' by compring it with any movie songs, however great they may be1
Just sit back and merge and melt in the musical journey IIR is taking us with his touch.
As said ealier, first read the song book and try to understand the theme of that particular song andd then listen to the CD.
That way, you will get a richer experience.
This is sort of meditation.
When you meditate, initially all sorts of thoughts will come to disturb your concentration.
Just ignore them and be one with the music.
YIA!!

[BUY original CD only!]

Dear Arjuna!
ARR showed glimpses of what he can do for a religious theme in Bose the forgotten hero . Listen to "Zikr" piece and you will be convinced.

Getting back to the topic, IR and ARR can come together for setting to tune a sufi saint's songs who is hailed as one of the 18 siddhars in Thamizh Nadu.

In the US, are TiS CDs available in big music stores like that of Barnes and Noble outlets, or any of those mega sized music outlets under the section world music/classical music ?

Only that way, can we hope to grab the attention of people in the West

besides, does anyone even have the remotest contacts with Mr.Philip Glass, another creative composer - perhaps, we can approach him to do an indepth review of TiS - on my part, I have already gifted TiS CDs to several of my foreign friends - but that is not enough - we need to make the release of TiS felt across the globe - how are we going to do it ?