Some of them alternate between supporting role and comedy. MRRV, Sachu, VKR all fall into this category. So, Sachu is not a valid candidate here. Plus as Joe said, she started out as Heroine....
....which brings us to TR Ramachandran :P
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Some of them alternate between supporting role and comedy. MRRV, Sachu, VKR all fall into this category. So, Sachu is not a valid candidate here. Plus as Joe said, she started out as Heroine....
....which brings us to TR Ramachandran :P
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Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
NOV :yessir:
Things getting complicated. Deadlock aayidichu so nomination format maathanum.
Saralakkum Chokkum example of humour quotes pannittanga. Idhu varaikkum specific quotes on nagaichuvai illadadhu Thangavelu dhaan - ellorum avar sirikka veipar, sirikka veipparnu solraanga, example dhaan vara mattengudhu.
Sachu? If we consider Sachu, then we'll have to consider TR Ramachandran and he has a bigger claim. Sachu has never been funny as far as I know but avanga mokkai pottadhu yaaravadhu quote panna mudiyuma? Indha vishayathula, Sarala's mokkai in 100's of films is legendary. IMO, Sarala has a bigger claim than Sachu - Sachu is mediocre(vandhu pogara sathame theriyadhu), Sarala has a special record in being in the limelight for unfunny.
(mis) using the powers bestowed upon me by HUB constitution, keep Sarala in the list :-)
(Besides, pengalukku sama urimaiyil enakku romba nambikkai. 50% ilalttalum, 10%-avadhu reservation kodukkanum and Sarala fits the bill ahead of sachu).
Nobody has really dissed Balaiah so he is out. Thangavelu vs Chandrababu vs Cho.
Cho-kkum quote pottutaru anja singam prabhuram.
Thangavelu? IMO, for being constantly in the limelight since the beginning of this thread , avarai list-la serthu dhaan aaganum. But enna dhaan naan Naresh Gupta-nalum, NOV dhaan Sonia Gandhi - avaru manasu vecha dhaan add panna mudiyum.
Theerpu - it has to be Sarala for sure, kazhaga kanmani CR's protest notwithstanding, I have to do my dooty.
NOV, pls add kovai sarala for sure.
Let's face off Thangavelu vs Cho vs Chandrababu.
Idhula, nobody has dissed Chandrababu so unless anyone is vehemently against him, he will also be out of the list.
Thangavelu vs Cho - final round. Let's change the debate format.
Let's recall atleast 3 different instances of outstanding comedy by each. And let's recall some kaattu mokkais (atleast 3 of them) for each.
Let's debate the nature of their humour and why a) it was atleast funny for the time b) it stands the test of time or doesnt stand c) it is singularly unfunny.
For Cho, as Joe said, the humour is political. For example, the scene in Guru Sishyan where he plays on his hand to indicate symbols of DMK, ADMK and Congress to indicate the pachondithanam of the character was great but context specific. Then again, considering the context, it was surely funny.
For Thangavelu, is there something called his style or does it depend on the script. Did he rise above the script ever? Cho sure did.
Summarising:
1. Define the style of humour of your candidate - TV or Cho
2. Describe why that style can be funny for atleast a set of people given the context
3. Did they rise above the script ever - infact this is a consideration that surely brings Sarala in the list becuse how can we credit her for Sathi Leela? So, give instances of where TV or Cho rose above the script with their unique brand of humour
4. Give a rough estimate of their strike rate (ie) if they have roughly acted in n films, and you roughly estimate m instances as funny, then strike rate =m/n. Subjectivity accepted.
Idhukkappuram naan oru mudivukku varen.
NOV, let's go ahead with Kovai Sarala
(Thambis CR and RS, what fun is there in dissing Sachu? Tell me. Non-entities-ai padutharadhula enna sugam? Sarala, while a mokkai, was there in a great % of the movies being produced at her peak, which you can not say of Sachu)
Ayya,Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Pls Thangavelu-va vittudunga..
kalyanaparisu comedy-kku sirippee varallinna ..naan enge porathu :x
Joe, naama thangavLukku vakkalaaththu vaanga thEvai illai. avar munnE niraya "comedians" pitchai vaanganum.
aduththu enna? Prabhu Ram sonna maadhiri Nagesh'a unfunny comedian list la pOda pOraanga. namakkenna? its completely their loss.
:shock: Birathar, enna ithu? Enna mathiri half-boil semi-literate film fans eppadi response pannurathu? Naan eppadi ezhuthuven, enggey ezhuthuven, aanaa ethachum ezhuthumnu tondrathu!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
1)
Cho is satiric. He is basically good in spoofing certain segment or level of folks - mostly politicians. Good satirist, and is very contemporary. But fed with mokka lines, he is unfunny.
Tanggavelu - despite what PR said - has fine delivery and timing. His lines can be mokkai in others hand (say, the wooden pre-Pandyarajan eye roller TR Ramachandran), but he makes it funny.
So, intha vishyatula Tanggavelu gets the spot.
2. Kosteen arakuraiyaathaan purinjathu. But never mind.
Cho's best moments appeal to people in the know, namely those who follow politics and happenings.
Tanggaveloo's appeal to pretty wide range (at that time, and some at this time, except of course you-know-who and you-know-who). Especially family audience.
3.
Answer in the first kosteen. But both are not good in slapstick, or body language. Rendu peerum out. (I did laugh at KAT's hair/wig at the end of Nam Naadu, though). And Cho's Post TRR, PrePandyarajan eye rolling never really caught on.
4. Strike ellam sollurengga. Leesa thaan puriyuthu.
Okay, let me put it this way.
If Cho is Model 29 Smith & Wesson, than KAT is Walter PPK. First one, slow, but can blow your head clean off. Second one, faster, being fully automatic, but lesser damage.
Eppadi?
Cho - Thangavelu :arrow: conpeesan :confused2:
Joe, NOV - ellam oru vilayatta dhane - serious-a eduthakkadheenga. (Ingeyum, my frivolity is chasing me :-( )
Indha thread aarambichappave, ennoda character, intentions-ellam open-a solli dhaan armabichaen
Indha GM thread-la, vadivelu thread-la ellam, positive-aa, kandamenikku pugazhndu pugazhndhu pottutturundhaanga - namakku dhaan makkal positive-a sirichikittu irundha porukadhe - adhaan ipdi divert panninaen. Purinjikittu odhungina ore aal Honestraj dhaan, Manushan killadi. Neenga ellam valai-la vandhu sikkittenga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
The whole idea, as prabhuram would put it, here was to take the 'holy cow's and generate an alternate discussion on why they need not be holy cows - an attempt at de-deification, let's say. Which is why we didnt spare NSK even.
I am very open to including GM in the mix since NOV feels strongly against him. (Sonia gandhi-ai varutha paduthittu nalla irukka mudiyuma adhanaala I'll give weightage to one NOV over 100 hubbers :-) ). GM-kum case podungappa. Infact, given my intention, and given the hubbers' preference, I should have actually directed the conversation towards Gounder's failings earlier
(Now(v), let's see how anjasingam prabhuram reacts - PR, holy cows-ai deconstruct pannanumnu solluveeyale, ippo pannunga paarkalam)
Plum, holy cow steakhouse appidinnu thread-ku subtitle pOtturuveenga pOla...
varisayA varEn
adhukku munnAdi.... unga commitment-ku oru :bow:
hmm..idhai en manager solra alavukku kadamai unarchi irundha vaazhkaiyila munneralam! Kadamai unarchi inge dhaan nalla velai seyyudhu. Excel, word, ppt ellam open pannina thoonga poyidudhu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
worst ever is ss chandran...atleast ygm was better in dramas...also a better actor...but ss chandran had nothing...chuma talks abot politics and laughs for himself..
BTW i love vkr esp in movies like arangetra vilai, ooty varai uravu....he was best in ooty varai uravu....
enna oru temblate :clap:
Thangavelu
Commentary and remarks on events, attempted wordplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Eg. the scene in thEn-nilavu where his wife reads out the news itesms from the paper and he comments on it. "padhungi thirindha thirudan kaidhu".... TV: padhunginaanla appuram yEn thirinjAn... adhaan agappattukittAn
Wordplay is always funny when well done. Passing remarks is the easiest ways to tickle. Yet....Quote:
2. Describe why that style can be funny for atleast a set of people given the context
Tough to judge TV in this framework. I twist it as: was it all about lines ? No. What he brought to the table was the way he says the lines, his expressions (muzhiththal) when he says it etc. Those are widely considered his forteQuote:
3. Did they rise above the script ever
m = 0.5 for a sufficiently large n.Quote:
4. Give a rough estimate of their strike rate (ie) if they have roughly acted in n films, and you roughly estimate m instances as funny, then strike rate =m/n. Subjectivity accepted.
Supplementary question
Let me go back to the thEn nilavu example I quoted...Quote:
Why ?
padhunginaanla appuram yEn thirinjAn... (joke ends here) adhaan agappattukittAn (unnecessary patently unfunny flab)
Even had it ended it where it ought to have, it earns a mild smile. Not worth the whole effort of setting up the newspaper reading scene, item etc. So I call it inefficient.
Note there are some forms of jokes where the elaborate set-up is a red-herring and the punchline is elsewhere. That is a well built joke. Similarly for puns, where you are judged by groan-level, the elaborate build up (usually due to avoiding the giveaway words) is again funny.
The rest of the jokes should be judged based on the 'efficiency'. i.e. maximum laughter with minimum fuss. That is where TV doesn't even take off.
:confused2: Can I safely assume you have not read my posts ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
I know its fun, but when one talks about acting and ignores Sivaji and Kamal, apprehension forms. adhupOla thaan idhu.
Anyway, in my list of unfunny comedians, Goundamani, Senthil, SS Chandran, Charlie, YGM, Vennira Aadai Moorthy, Surulirajan, VK Ramasamy will top the list. Ultimately thats what counts. :P
Of course... Holy Cow steakhouse appidinnu kooda thread pErai maathalaam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
viththaiyai thappA kaththu vachirukkavungaLOda kooda silambam aaduvOm
NOV, no doubt. Ultimately, thats what counts - indha chinna pasanga enna vena sollittu pogattume :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
Unga list-la 5 peru already vetpalar list-la irukkanga.
prabhuram, naan template podumbodhe rough-a dhaan pottaen - epdiyum neenga purinjikittu adhukku oru meaning koduthuduveenganu :-). Same happened - excellently written case. If Thangavelu is brought into the list, it may perhaps not so much be his failing as your articulation skills :-)
(As in it doesnt matter what you say, what matters is how you say it.)
Joe, NOV indha chinna pasanga kitte ellam enna justification-nu odhunga solraaru. Neenga dhaan 'ilaignar' aache. Ipdi indha chinna pasanga gang-la serndhukittu konjam counter-attack podungalen. I dont want prabhuram to walk away without comptetion here :-)
I'm closely monitoring the situation. Let law take its own course. All, please maintain calm
Plum, you must have missed my post. Here's me replying to your kosteens, urging to put Cho in the list instead.
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Originally Posted by groucho070
:rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I am laughing aloud here. :thumbsup:
groucho, sorry miss pannittaen. Will reply after reading.
groucho, suthama puriyala. Konjam theliva, unga candidate yaarunnu sollidunga. If I got it right, you are pushing towards Cho to be in the list and TV let off, right?
Yeah, basically TV ousts Cho in most of the requirements. One thing common - both are not good in body language. So, put Cho up there. I mean, I wouldn't want him there at all, but you gave us very little choice. Enna pannurathu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Cho? Unfunny? :sigh2:
ok, groucho has clearly stated the case - naan dhaan sariya padikkalai.
Good points, basically, TV's style is better than Cho enbadhu groucho-vin vaadham. I mean, that style can stand test of time. Good argument. And it seems like groucho feels that he executes that well, too.
groucho, in your experience, leaving aside the whose style is better, who has had a better strike rate as in the % of their attempts that you genuinely LOL for?
I think we need more female representation :devil:
among contestents or voters?????Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
Exactly NOV.... so in the framework Plum has set up that means...Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
Okay, so I shall give Cho 40% attempts successful, while TV gets 65% of his attempts across. Okay-va?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
:roll: :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
I vote for Sachu again :arrow:
Plum, satti-agappai time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
Plum,
Kalyana parisu..Ippothaikku ithai padinga
http://groups.google.com/group/mutht...d03b57e0f74bd6
Meethi gyapaga paduththi ezutha muyaRchi pannuren.
SSC inching closer to YGM... idhai paththi Bala sila vaarthaigaL pEsuvaar :mrgreen:
sachu doesnt belong to the lead comedians list at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by NOV
"Panjayathaada idhu? panjayathe illada, enakku inga mariyadhayum illa da" :angry2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Thangavelu I thought was more sophisticated than other comedians of his era.
Not into slapstick and he just stick to what he can do well(some may object here..but I will carry on)...-Dialogue oriented comedy with a good timing sense.His dialogue delivery and the delivery of the joke itself is not so dragging as pr said - I thought he is crisp actually for that era.
oru example kooda nyabagam vara matengudhe..chaaa
Plum,
Not to prove Thangavelu ,but just FYI
Few from Kalyana parisu
வேலையத்த வெட்டி ஆபீசராக வரும் தங்கவேலு தேன் வேலை பார்ப்பதாக மனைவியை நம்ப வைக்க எடுக்கும் முயற்சிகள் ஒவ்வொன்றாக குட்டு வெளிப்படுகிறது . புகழ்பெற்ற எழுத்தாளர் (பைரவன்) நான் தான் என அடிச்சு விட்டு அவர் பண்ணுகிற அமர்களம் ,தமிழ் சினிமா நகைச்சுவை வரலாற்றில் ஒரு மைல்கல் என்றே நான் சொல்லுவேன்.
தங்கவேலு - " உனக்கு இந்த எழுத்தாளர் பைரவன தெரியுமா?"
மனைவி - "ஓ! ரொம்ப நல்லா எழுதுவாரே"
தங்கவேலு "அவர நேருல பாத்துருக்கியா?"
மனைவி "இல்லையே?"
தங்கவேலு "இப்ப பார் ..இங்கே பார் ..திரும்பிப்பார் ..சாட்சாத் அந்த பைரவன் நான் தான்"
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மனைவியின் தோழிகள் தங்கவேலுவை பார்க்க வருகிறார்கள்.
"சார் ..இவ்வளவு நாள் நீங்க தான் பைரவன் -ற விஷயத்த ஏன் சார் சொல்லல"
"எனக்கு தற்புகழ்ச்சி பிடிக்காது"
"நீங்க ஹாஸ்யம் எழுதுவீங்களா ,சோகக்கதை எழுதுவீங்களா?"
"கல்யாணத்துக்கு முன்னால ஹாஸ்யம் எழுதிட்டிருந்தேன் .கல்யாணம் ஆன பிறகு ஒரே சோகம்"
"சார்......கதையில கடைசியில அந்த கதாநாயகன் செத்துப்போற மாதிரி ஏன் சார் பண்ணுனீங்க"
"அவன் தல விதி ..ஷெத்தான் ..உடு"
"சார் ......பத்திரிகையில சிறுகதை போட்டி ஒண்ணு அறிவிச்சுருக்காங்களே..நீங்க கலந்து கொள்ளல்லியா?"
"இது வரை கலந்து கொள்ளுற மாதிரி ஐடியா இல்ல .. இனியும் கலந்து கொள்ளுறதுல ஆட்சேபணை இல்ல ..என்ன ஒண்ணு ..நான் கலந்துகிட்டா ஏகப்பட்ட எழுத்தாளர்கள் ஏமாந்து போவாங்களேண்ணு தான் ..."
-தொடரும்
thamizh naatula kandippa 10 comedians unfunniya irukanuma...
at leastQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivasaayi
One thing for sure. Cho's comedies does not stand the test of time. As Joe said, Muhamad Bin Tughlak may appeal to us, who keep a tab on history of politics and stuff. But regular folks would not understand it at all. Plus they are mostly attacks on some issue, some incident or some personality.
Tanggavelu's comedy are gentler. In fact, he is credited (or blamed, up to your preference) for the rise of separate comedy track. I believe NSK started it, but Tanggavelu popularised it with the success of Kalyana Parisu.
Forget KP, I wonder if you still do not laugh at his antics in Adutta Veetu Pen. Once I laughed till I teared. I also love the way he says, "Ayookkia payaley".
So, Cho deserves to be on that list.