thiruvasakam in symphony

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Originally Posted by thumburu

Did IR hold a pistol on Sunderrajan's head to stay put with him? Let us desist from speculating about film field dynamics.

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No...Sundarrajan was there because he loved IR's music and What was got in return is the question raised here. Neither IR held a pistol over my head to be his fan. Iam his fan because i love his music And that doesnt mean I can't have any Critisicism about him atall.
Athu sari Pora pokkula Potham podhuvaa 'Ellam Orae kuttaiyila oorna mattaingathan' ndra unga vimarsanam Epdi ungalukku vanathula irunthu asariri madhiri vanthatha illa kelvipattadha vachu solreengala.
Neenga sonnatha thiruppi pottu paarunga unmai vilangum... Cinema industry suthammanathu angu yaarum karai padiyathavargal...namakku atha pathi vimarsanam panna urimai illa yaenna naama thappa nenachukittu irukira vishayangal ellamae kelvipattathuthan. :twisted:

<Neither IR held a pistol over my head to be his fan. Iam his fan because i love his music And that doesnt mean I can't have any Critisicism about him atall. >

Exactly.. You love his music and so your criticisms should stop with his music... not about him or about his business/personal affairs.. If it goes at this rate, we will be talking about " Is IR paying his taxes promptly, is he paying his servants at the federal minimum rate etc etc..". None of our business..

let's stop with his music.. Our relationship with IR is only music. if any of us have other relationship ( personal, business etc..) this is not the right forum and is not professional as well ..

Your footnote should probably be modificed as " Music starts and ends with Raja ... and our discussions should start and end with his music :-))

Cheers
MSK

Well said cry sandiego. The pseudofans of ilayaraja are having a field day with accusations flying everywhere.

Remember one thing , it is easy to make an allegation of any sort against anybody. The key thing is anybody is innocent till proved guilty.

How will rajasaranam feel if everybody in this forum say that he has raped somebody or mudered somebody. i will just treat it as an accusation and it for the accuser to prove him guilty if he wants. Just because 100 or 1000 people say a thing repeatedly doesnt make it a truth.

I think this forum should be closed and we should confine ourselves to discuss music. All the problems start when people stopped being just fans and wanted to be involved more with the person himself. So lets back off and just discuss the music

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Originally Posted by cry_sandiego

<Neither IR held a pistol over my head to be his fan. Iam his fan because i love his music And that doesnt mean I can't have any Critisicism about him atall. >

Exactly.. You love his music and so your criticisms should stop with his music... not about him or about his business/personal affairs.. If it goes at this rate, we will be talking about " Is IR paying his taxes promptly, is he paying his servants at the federal minimum rate etc etc..". None of our business..

let's stop with his music.. Our relationship with IR is only music. if any of us have other relationship ( personal, business etc..) this is not the right forum and is not professional as well ..

Your footnote should probably be modificed as " Music starts and ends with Raja ... and our discussions should start and end with his music :-))

Cheers
MSK

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Sorry..can't have it whatever way you want.. Rs1.4 crores of public money has been spent. Many of it raised through readers of this forum. If at the end people who raised the money and the artist are involved in a disagreement, the public who paid the money would really like to know what is going on.

* said it really well..I couldn't have said it better. No point in trying to silence/hush up any critics.

Dear Kiru,

I am not sure if you are going to unravel a 1.4 crore scam with discussions in a public forum.. Sorry I can't help laugh !! if i were this interested in solving this scam I would be spending my time in talking to a Legal/copyrights expert ..

And why do think I am trying to hush up this matter.. no benefit to me. I could care less if IR or someone else whose art i like/love is convicted of murder/scandal tomorrow !! I am a fan of his music not him.

I guess you said u have started a public groups for this specific issue and so you can discuss to your heart's content in that forum and bring the truth to the light.. another suggestion is to start another thread with an appropriate title like " who is the black sheep " etc..

Looks like you still can't get over this Huh ?

Cheers
MSK

MSK,
I am not sure I am making much progress with you, in communicating my stance. I will let my post stand for the benefit of others who may care. Meanwhile, if you are my friend, you would please leave that sarcasm and ridicule out of your posts.

If cry_sandiego/MSK really bothers only about IR's music and doesnt care whether IR is a criminal or a saint, he wouldnt be coming to this discussion repeatedly nor would he try to divert attention or hush up the matter. His claims to the contrary notwithstanding, obviously he is bothered that the person on whom he has invested such a lot of time/money has his ethics being questioned. Its very evident. I would like to see MSK posting the same objections when some ppl here post links to news items that say IR donated something here or did some good deed or got his daughter married off etc.. Because thats his private life too. But, no objections will be posted then. When this same thread was used for used mainly for fund mobilisation(and not music discussion) 1 year back I didnt see MSK posting his objection that only music should be discussed.

Its OK to talk or discuss about IR's private life in detail as long as it portrays IR in good light. The moment anyone hints at anything negative its time to stick "only to the music" and its "none of our business". Funny. And in this case, its not entirely IR's private life thats being talked about either. Some of the fans and others have been affected too. This is more connected to IR's profession than his private life. Even rajasaranam, for being the hardcore IR devotee he is , is more objective it seems.

Sorry Kiru If you felt that way ! Did not mean to .. Pls accept my apology.

Cheers
MSK

Vijay, point taken.. Whats a little disturbing is that some good IR fans have taken the "Guilty until proven innocent" stance. I guess until there is a real investigation, no one is going to know the truth.

My opinion is that people here are getting carried away when they start accusing of Rs. 1.4 crore scam etc.

As a donator, my perspective is this. When I contributed money I contributed to IR for making of Thiruvasagam. If the same TM or TIS wopuld have made a similar request with any other composer, I wouldnt have donated. For me TM or TIS was just a medium for channeling my contribution to IR. I had no expectations or no interest in whether TM or TIS-US was going to be a pert copyright owners of the same. Those things were immaterial in terms of my donation. There were no claims or pormises that were made on that behalf to say the copyrights to TM was basis of donations - it was definitely not the basis of my donation.

Even the current accusations against IR no one has made a complaint that the donatioons that were collected was not used for the making of Thiruvasagam and was misappropriated by IR. As a donatee, I gave money towards making of TIS and Thirvasagam was composed and met all my expectations. Therefore, I do not suscribe to the hysterical accusations of Rs. 1.4 crore scam etc.

I feel for those who took a personal loan to donate to this cause and have a financial fall out and would like to help them personally. But as a ratiopnal donatee, I do not ascribe to all these wild accusations.