thiruvasakam in symphony

I am quite surprised and shocked to read all the disturbing posts made here. Though I did not donate to TM or TIS-USA personally, I bought some CDs to gift it to friends as requested. I am personally happy with the end product. However to learn that so much of murky dealings and arm twisting (bordering on the level of skull duggery) is involved with such a good project is disturbing to me. My wish would be for Ilaiyaraaja to come out open and clean in this matter and for the fruitful combination of TM-TISUSA and IR to continue.
Having said that , I know that after all such bad feelings and rumblings, it will never happen and IR has let go of one more good partnership slip by his hands.
As far as TIS-USA is concerned, they already know that their options are to break even by selling whatever they have got and even the well meaning Father cannot be of much help to them. That alone can explain why they are going silent after the initial afterburst. Maligning IR's image further by an uncomfortable expose' can only impact the chances of selling their stock further. In fact with so much of USA Tamil audience being net-savvy, further reporting of this might have already caused enough damages by dwindling the number of potential IR fans who would find it difficult to buy this album due to the moral question.
As far as the Father is concerned, his cause of concern seemed from the letters and earlier posts, the return on Investment from Welgate , which has come only in a trickle. I dont quite know if he would go home happy if TM gets back its ROI plus profits even if TIS-USA are looking down the barrel.
The only person who seems to be quite happy with the whole deal seems to be Ilaiyaraaja who with the successful stage show watchied crazily by one and all must be feeling that he needs no more birth!!! If he thinks that he can stonewall any criticism with silence, then how deceived he must be as it is the dialogue with conscience that is the most difficult and uncomfortable to hold than a press conference to apologize(as Clinton,Janet Jackson, Nixon have shown already).

jaiganes,
Long time no see???

Yes,
The silence is indeed disturbing. I heard even more disturbing things related to Sundararajan's final days w.r.t IR's help (or the lack of it) but i don't know how accurate it is. Like Father Jegath wrote, truth has the capacity to speak for itself, in time and forever.

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Originally Posted by cry_sandiego

Sorry Kiru If you felt that way ! Did not mean to .. Pls accept my apology.

Cheers
MSK

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MSK .its allright. You probably did not mean it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by alwarpet_andavan

...The silence is indeed disturbing...

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As they say, the silence is deafening ...

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Originally Posted by alwarpet_andavan

jaiganes,
Long time no see???

Yes,
The silence is indeed disturbing. I heard even more disturbing things related to Sundararajan's final days w.r.t IR's help (or the lack of it) but i don't know how accurate it is. Like Father Jegath wrote, truth has the capacity to speak for itself, in time and forever.

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I was busy both on personal and professional front tahts why. I didn't expect to come back to the hub and see such disturbing developments. I would love to immerse in music of IR alone and forget all these things happening around. However, that would be one form of escapism. Unfortunately I am not in a position to donate in a huge way or buy more albums to support TIS-USA also. So all I can hope to see is IR repenting for letting down the people who collaborated with him in this monumental project.
However there is a clear lesson for TM and TIS-USA also in this chain of unfortunate incidents. This is one way how NOT to approach a project involving "money". Never let your passion override your prudence. It is a good lesson. All the statements like "Piravi payan" etc., are great motivational statements that cannot be incorporated in a business plan objective.
Now we understand why ARR aligned himself with SONY. so that he wouldn't have to bother about publicity, selling canvassing etc., and focus just on the quality of the sound.

I am just an observer of this forum all along and I am only involved as an IR fan and someone who had to wait for ages to get hold of my copies of TiS here in Singapore. From the very beginning it has been very clear and obvious that whoever took charge of the production work, whether it was TM or TiS-USA, they have been totally incapable of handling such a monumental project! IR as a composer has done his job to the extreme of class and we all know that after listening to the end product. No one stopped these people claiming to be behind this project from marketing the project well and get proper professional support like getting Sony or Saregama into the picture. Not at all. They were sitting on it the whole duration and regardless of so much comments and suggestions from so many hubbers, they were keeping it all within closed doors as if to claim ownership or out of fear of loosing recognition.

TISK with his by now irritating YIA! signoffs is one main culprit as I have observed. In my opinion this project was very unprofessionally handled from the day they started collecting funds, in the form of lack of transparency. I was simply afraid to donate as I was not confident about these people behind it, whether it was TM or TiS-USA.

From the stage of donations, somehow the whole thing shifted to people with loans etc involved. If they have come in with loans then of course they have took a business decision and looking for a lucrative returns! Why are these folks crying foul now in a public forum anyway?

For such a pathetic work done, they are expecting to gain maximum profit from this project? That's amazing. The project got all the publicity through free advertisements from all the press and media which was not at all the work of any of these people supposed to be behind the project. When I spoke to Mohd Ali and Rafi from Oli 96.8, I was surprised that they were not even aware of this project weeks after it had been launched. I only managed to get hold of my copy through my uncle who visited Chennai. Does any one there know when the actual stock arrived in Singapore!!!?

Furthermore there has been so much of information and details missing from the public's knowledge and now they are expecting us to believe that some parties are suffering loses! How can people who donated care about loses? If it is not donations then, please stop pretending like noblemen who have come into this project for selfless reasons.

IR's job is to create music and he has done his part well. When people around him like Jageth and gang being so incompetent in handling this project failed badly, they want to point pointless fingers at IR and make various accusations! Pathetic truly.

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Originally Posted by sats

"Kalagam pirandha dhan Nyayam" kedaikum. What iam pained is all this talk of, if i dont do this work i will be born again to do this etc etc from IR . If this was true he should not even be bothered about monetary benefits out of it. Spiritually he has gained what he wanted apuram yar adhe distribute panna ivarukku enna.Legally whatever he has done might be okay , but ethically very wrong.

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puriya vendiyavangalukku purinja sari.... :D

anaa puriyatha maathiri nadipaanga. adhuthaan vedikkai.... :lol: :lol:

TISK ,Fr.Jegath ,Sridhar Seetharaman ,SOcrates etc ...are no special people .They are just ordinary people like us .I don't think they ever went to this project for earning profits .Nobody will take aloan for $40,000 for profits !!!

TIS was sufficently publisiced .Only due to this ,it sold XX,XXX cassets and CDs in India .Agreed ,there were some slack in that ,but that was due to in sufficent man power .When we stop our efforts at tfmpage.com ,who will join hands with TISK and Fr.Jegath for publicity ? Thankfully Illayraaja yahoogroups were there to help ,though the actual management and control was done by few peopel only .I feel TIS got more publicity than allo fthe 2004-2005 IR albums put together.Secondly an effort like this should not be too much commercialised - you have to inform people abt this but you should'nt commercialise in a way similar to a PEPSI or COKE .You simply should not .Its thiruvasagam!

One more thing that is forgot is that teh distribution is through WelGate and they haven't made any efforts to publisice this monumental piece.This is the first time that a Distributor does not spend any effort in this .If some body has'nt got a CD at the right time ,the blame goes to Wel Gate .Its 'NOt Well " mr .Gate !!!

TISK or Fr.jegath never said they could not earn profits.If they could not get back their loans due to the failure of TIS then its different.But the point is TIS is fairly successfull and yet our friends did not get back the money .The reason stated is Raaja's being adamant in CD RIghts /Distribution etc .

I still don't belive Raaja would have cheated for money - but he might have been very adamant in his own beliefs which has caused discomfort for so many people .

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

I am quite surprised ........................................ Nixon have shown already).

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Hey man,welcome back :D Was wondering what happened to you?

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Hey man,welcome back Was wondering what happened to you?

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1. Marriage
2. More work
3. Future fatherhood
4. Car
In the order it happened.

:D :D :D
BTW How are you doing?

Ramki!! I badly want to feel the same way. However, the fundamental aim is to raise money for some future work. And raising money = making profits by selling the holy thiruvasagam . not by making thiruvasagam and keeping quiet. correct me if I am wrong. :D