thiruvasakam in symphony

rajdes, I am not going JUST by Father or TISK's version of events. I have been reading about IR and his music very intently for the last 8 years in the media - including his books, news items, interviews, speeches during concert recording, most of all his songs, including lyrics by himself and his friends (like Karunanidhi).
Just like you, I consider myself rationals, that is why I am disappointed with IR's attitude/actions in this matter. If IR does not come out with a clarification, he is making a massive PR gaffe. I doubt we will see another public-funded project like TIS in future.

Kiru, as you yourself have stated as some one who has been closely following IR for the last so many years, you must have got wind of IR's unethical practices some time or other and why didn't you blow the whistle when TIS/TM were seeking public donation then?

IR making PR gaffe - story as old as the hills. If his PR gaffes amount to crimes, he must be sitting atop a crime hill as high as the everest now. Yes, I would echo Thumburu. Why didnt you or for that matter vijay or anyone who have been forming a negative opinion on IR's honezty over the past few years based on magazine reports, website 'news' etc blow the whistle on IR earlier - when the money was being collected in his name - see, how easy it is to ask questions?

IR adhai en pannalai? ithai en pannalai? We can keep asking till the cows come home. Adharku munnal, let me ask people who we know actually are cognizant of this forum and our discussions - why dont they come up with their version of the truth along with collection and spending details - a full account as it were literally and figuratively? Have they already done it? if so, pls do point to me the specific link.

If TM and TIS boldly come out with their statement of accounts, and establish their honesty once and for all, I will not even wait for further evidence on IR's wrong doing - I will join you in hounding him until he speaks atleast. Until then, sorry, the rational response is to wait for the truth to emerge. Anyone leaning towards either side can only be called biased.

Pl. refer to my posting on the 25th in this page. YIA!!

Since TiS-USA does not want to quote the numbers elsewhere, my `safe' posting below about their blog (esp. for neutral observers like rajdes)...

I feel there couldn't be any better communication than posting so much details on the web by Tis-USA. And I do think that it has honesty written all over it. Theirs is a question of over-enthu and now coping with ground realities.

However, after going through the numbers, even though I do not agree to the concept of `CD's at cost against loan', which I still maintain is improper, that's probably the only thing that TM could offer them...or what TM could get from IR/ wellgate since they probably are totally businesslike and didn't want to spend a penny on the production from their packet. (IR's take could be like 'I gave my creativity, and it will sell on both merit and my popularity / publicity etc. Why should I ALSO pay money from my packet? I've never done a thing like that for any of my projects...I'm only used to GETTING money and not spending money on my albums... Let TM sell and give back the loan to Tis-USA...after all, they WILL make more money than invested...') And IR/wellgate could have reasoned that the cost of CD's is just that -physical media and production cost- which is reasonable...

And to the credit of IR/wellgate, they have probably not appointed any disti in NA so for...to make sure Tis-USA is home...

And TM & Tis-USA would have mutually agreed that the additional amount (i.e. cost of CD's) will also be invested apart from the loan, in any case we should be in a position to get back at least the investment as the product seems to be OK...and may move fast...

For now, let us keep TM/ Wellgate/IR away from this scene and focus on the plight of Tis-USA, which is kind of independent as of now...and will possibly be in a position to salvage their condition sometime in the future, if not immediate...with some help & efforts ofcourse...

The issue for Tis-USA seems to be the `slow-moving' nature of the product. And the inability to pump in more marketing efforts to speed up the movement, given that funds beyond the means of the org has already been invested in production...

So, come on DFers of North America, chip in with your ideas to expedite the movement of the product...don't worry whether the idea is do'able or wild...any idea should be welcome and who knows what will click for Tis-USA...(And this is probably a better effort, Kiru sir, than trying to salvage TM which is not so open in providing figures to the public yet)...

What about some target marketing through the web TISK sir? To begin with, why not approach RR to help...to send a special offer through e-mail to the 8000 plus subscribers to "The Hub" (probably 50% of them away from TN and not all would have known about TbI or obtained a copy) ?

There could be similar close-knit Thamizh speaking communities on the web...who can be approached through individual e-mails...

app_engi & others

I got the response mail from my local library of their purchase of TIS(CD & DVD). sorry I am boring you all with my ONLY one suggestion but it is a easy, sure way!

I posted the response to the group so that our other USA fans /UK fans will be encouraged by it and will try harder with their local library!!
Fellows visiting USA on deputation(even short duration), you can get your library card easily, all you need is a proof of your current address-your rental agreement,bank statement,driver's license will do!

I think fans living in Developed nations(USA,UK,Australia,Canada etc... ) can try!!

More sample forms around the globe!

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Library/suggest.shtml

http://www.library.usyd.edu.au/conta...tpurchase.html

I am speechless with gratitude for the forthright plain writings, Mr. 'app-engine'. Thanks a lot.
You have summarized the position very clearly and correctly and I am willing to play along.
thanks again.

And... thank you too, Ms. 'boroque'!

TISK, Please stop posting 'thank you' notes!
Neenga ponelaa to your local library with your spouse or daughters or friends???????

I feel better if few people come and post ' yes, Vinu! I also tried with my local library!'

This is a GREAT Music! It is not expensive! The reference desk people/librarian at my library really took interest when I showed them the web-site! I felt very good! I am trying with another library too! It’s a WINNING idea! Public get a GREAT music, we get to sell our cds,pay our loans too! pannungappa! love, vinatha

Yuva..yuvaaa...yuvaaa.. yuvayuvayuvaaaa...

more and more more and more truth.....


IR's initial proposal:

Thiruvasagam: as a concept to the present and future generation for a historical exploration of a musical experiment in philosophico-anthro-spiritual past to be presented to the youth of 21st century. (ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!) (please note, it doesn't say anything about multilingual approach, using SONY NEWYORK..etc)

Fr Jegath Gaspar creates an NGO for tamil culture and development - TAMIL MAIYAM and offers itself to IR for TIS!!!!!. Obviously it had nothing else to do!!!!( again...ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!)

TM after much deliberation decides that TIS should present itself in four different language (tamil, hindi, english and german). Ambitious/or naive/or stupid/or asking us all to be stupid??)

It creates a website and falsely projects Shri Vajpayee and others giving credibility to this project in the political climate of the all powerful hindutva(who in their dreams expected UPA to be the next power in the homeland!!!!!).

A clear exploitation of the WWW media and WWW deception and WWW SCAM!!!!

TM in a mistaken gamble, targets TFMPage as its source for fools and identifies vulnerable fanatics and presents this project (including kiru and other noble philanthropists in this forum!!!!ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!). TISSSASS, TISSS, TISS, TISK and everyone else falls for this!!!!!! surprise surprise surprise!!!!! Aren't you happy you got what you deserve??!! (Sankar Kumar happens to be in the advisory panel of TM !!??)

TIS-USA after initailly critizising the venture (those who doubt this scroll back to IR new albums page before TIS page came into existence), finally falls into the laps of TM's deception, becomes a member of TM and makes its own agenda. It lays down its own agenda for commercial success, works on its dollars, TGD campaign and after established itself as a significant force in this project, seeks Richard King and Sony as its selling/marketing coup in USA.

It also identifies Stephen Swartz as the only insignificant soul in this whole non-consequential postmodern world who can possibly translate the insights of the great MANICKAVAASAGAR's view of human existence.

Unfortunately, for TIS-USA, it could access IR only through TM. IR, steadfastedely stuck to the original agreement of composing the music when everything else was ready and held the rights for his creativity, no matter what the production effort was( stephen swartz' translation, Budapest's performance rights, sound engineering). ( do you see a genius in action ... not just in his art but also in the art of managing those who can potentiallly exploit him!!!???) ( he never asked for Stephen Swartz, or Richard King, or Budapest or the Sony Music studio in New York).

TIS-USA then spends all its donation, (loans - no evidence for this yet!! and never will there be one) for Richard King, Sony and Stephen Swartz. (ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!). IR then has a master stroke in store for the TIS-USA and TM. IR rejects the master tape sent by SONY NEW YORK. HOW VERY SAD... cho..cho...choooo. SONY-NEW YORK was not upto the standard IR expected. They made critical errors in their music theory!!!! IR sends the tape back to them for corrections (while TIS-USA is wondering what hit them!!!).

TIS_USA shells out more and also gets the first glimpse of their business misadeventure and then realizes that there is tough battle to contend with a genius not just in his art but also in music business( of course TM and TIS_USA were novices in this..ahh..ha...ha..aha..ha!!!!!)


All those who frequent this forum, raise your hands if you think this TIS required Stephen Swartz, Richard King, Sony studio NY USA ( hoping that there will be none). And also raise your hands if you think that Thiruvasagam by IR is a worthy product for either TIS-USA or TM to spend their effort over 2-3 years (will most definitely not want to raise my hand for this).


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