Paadariyen Padippariyen maathiri oru carnatic + folk classic number, Vijay/Aith padathula poda mudiyumaa illaiyaa?!? Yes or No nnu bathil sollittu, appuram IR oda arogaras pathi pesunga.
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Paadariyen Padippariyen maathiri oru carnatic + folk classic number, Vijay/Aith padathula poda mudiyumaa illaiyaa?!? Yes or No nnu bathil sollittu, appuram IR oda arogaras pathi pesunga.
Under skym everybody is under critisicm naa Vijay padathula oru kurippitta song fit aagaathunnu solrathum critisicm thaan! KadavuLaye kelvi kekkura naama, nammai polave rendu kaal kai rendu kaathu kannu oru mookku udaiya Ilaiyaraja, Vijay padam pathi athuvum avanga appaa munnaadi pesa koodaathaa?!?
Vijay/ajith enna KadavuLaa?!?
SKV,
Super question. If raja_fan thinks even God is not beyond criticism, why he is shedding tears when S A Chandrashekar's son was criticized in front. He should have gone and told SAC, "Saar, even God is not beyond criticism. So when your son is criticised in front of you, you should not feel bad. We are a society which puts even God under criticism, theriyuma?". So if raja_fan is really in spirit "all for criticism", he should have applauded Raja saying what he did on stage. But then when your intentions are cloaked under "No one is above criticism" just to hit at Raja, somewhere the truth will leak out.
Many will probably not even realize this paradox. They should be given all right to criticize Raja but Raja shall not be given any right to criticize anyone !!!! If everyone is given equal right, then all we can say is, "well, Raja criticized someone coz he has the right, so let me keep quite about it." Which obviously many don't want to do.
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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
SKV,
My post begins thus
""உண்மை கசத்தாலும் அதை நண்பனிடம் சொல்" என்று சொல்வார்கள்.
ஆனால் ராஜா, இதை பல பேர் கூடியிருக்கும் அவையிலும் கடைப்பிடிப்பது தான் முகம் சுளிய வைக்கிறது.
ஒருவர் தனியே இருக்கும் போது என்ன பேச வேண்டும், அவையில் எல்லோரும் இருக்கும் போது என்ன பேச வேண்டும் என்ற இங்கீதம் கூட அவரிடம் பல நேரங்களில் இல்லை. "
All through the post,
I have maintained that Raja's criticism per se was right in its content, but not in its time and place. That is what I have called "Ingeetham".
If Raja had criticised about Vijay and his films to Vijay or his father directly at a appropriate place and time, there is no issue.
But it was a function of another film and Vijay's father was a guest there. He was a guest of Prakash Raj, not even Raja's . Raja criticising his son ( He did not mean that is a different thing, but his words were careless ) in that platform is in bad taste.
Did not Raja work on some Kuppai situations and vulgar songs for the sake of his job and career ? If some other guest targets those songs unnecessarily when Raja is present on the stage, will we say it is fair for them to do that to Raja ?
If Raja was true to his words "Why should I feel for Rahman ? I should feel for myself, he should feel for himself" , he should not have come to felicitate Rahman for his oscar. How was Oscar different from Padma Bhushan. Both are awards and according to IR himself, awards don't matter...
Raja is full of contradictions when it comes to his words. Rahmanai pugazndhu vittu konja naatkkalukku piragu he commented unnecessarily on Rahman's "Ella pugazhum iraivanukke" words..Completely unwelcomed and self-disgracing act.
Criticism is democratic. But that should be on a proper time, place and platform. Otherwise it would be indecent. I only remember Vivek's lord labakdas commedy :) Question kelunnu vaadhiyaar sollittaarnu kanda nerathula kanda kelviya ketppaanaam.
raja_fan,
What joke is that? About Oscars not being different from Padma Bushan. I am sure you know the difference and I don't want to explain that.
Coming to the 'ingitham' part, that is fine, but when something which everyone feels, that nowadays you can never put a melody like 'malarndhum malaradha' in Vijay's movies, is told by Raja on stage, I don't see any problem. Afterall with lots of junk music and junk lyrics these guys are making millions. So why should they not stand some public criticism. And it was not criticism of Vijay per se.
Again, why is praising someone and criticizing some other aspect of his contradictory? Don't you praise Raja's music and then you go and bash him for his behavior. Isn't that contradictory?
And talking about proper time / place/ platform etc aren't you criticizing Raja in this section is made up of Raja fans. Why don't you DM your criticism so that people know that you have the 'ingitham'. You do it because you want to be heard. Raja does it on stage, because he wants to be heard. So why one rule for us and one rule for him?
I am stunned that people complain that IR is not humble because he doesn't appreciate ARR and ARRnis humble. The only thing ARR stated when asked about IR is that IR doesn't have any vices compared to other MDs. When such great MDs such as Naushad and RD Birman have paid such tributes to IR's genius, I haven't ever heardnARR say anything appeciative of IR's genius. Not me that is false humility. The question shouldn't be why Irbdoesntbappreciate ARR - it should be the other way sound for Ir has achieved much more
My post begins thus
""உண்மை கசத்தாலும் அதை நண்பனிடம் சொல்" என்று சொல்வார்கள்.
ஆனால் ராஜா, இதை பல பேர் கூடியிருக்கும் அவையிலும் கடைப்பிடிப்பது தான் முகம் சுளிய வைக்கிறது.
ஒருவர் தனியே இருக்கும் போது என்ன பேச வேண்டும், அவையில் எல்லோரும் இருக்கும் போது என்ன பேச வேண்டும் என்ற இங்கீதம் கூட அவரிடம் பல நேரங்களில் இல்லை. "
All through the post,
I have maintained that Raja's criticism per se was right in its content, but not in its time and place. That is what I have called "Ingeetham"
If Raja had criticised about Vijay and his films to Vijay or his father directly at a appropriate place and time, there is no issue.
But it was a function of another film and Vijay's father was a guest there. He was a guest of Prakash Raj, not even Raja's . Raja criticising his son ( He did not mean that is a different thing, but his words were careless ) in that platform is in bad taste.
Did not Raja work on some Kuppai situations and vulgar songs for the sake of his job and career ? If some other guest targets those songs unnecessarily when Raja is present on the stage, will we say it is fair for them to do that to Raja ?
If Raja was true to his words "Why should I feel for Rahman ? I should feel for myself, he should feel for himself" , he should not have come to felicitate Rahman for his oscar. How was Oscar different from Padma Bhushan. Both are awards and according to IR himself, awards don't matter...
Raja is full of contradictions when it comes to his words. Rahmanai pugazndhu vittu konja naatkkalukku piragu he commented unnecessarily on Rahman's "Ella pugazhum iraivanukke" words..Completely unwelcomed and self-disgracing act.
Criticism is democratic. But that should be on a proper time, place and platform. Otherwise it would be indecent. I only remember Vivek's lord labakdas commedy :) Question kelunnu vaadhiyaar sollittaarnu kanda nerathula kanda kelviya ketppaanaam.[/QUOTE]
Raja fueled 80s cinema, single handedly, he was the catalyst for the industry that looked for some direction, post MGR and Sivaji. He fore-saw there waves of movies, Mahendran/BM -class, BR etc -rural, SPM - masala. Everyone in the industry know what they owe him. But I have heard only Actor Suresh, Murali etc express this out publically. All the byproducts of this industry surge only do is applying soap to each other on stage now. (No pun here on 'applying soap', I am not trying to demean any actor director here).
After all this he has to have ingetham to express a basic idea on why he cant make a melody like malrdum malarada. I bet vijay would be excited he even uttered his name on stage.
what has SAR/Vijay done to the industry than being parasites and targeting art only for the leaat common denominator?.
That was a mere joke! Not critisicm. THats why everybody, incl SAC, laughed! So why shud Raja go and tell them in private?! And he was saying that in general about Vijay and Ajith.Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Yes Raja worked for Kuppai films. But he ALSO has done great of the greatest films. Is this the case for vijay/ajith?? Also, the kuppai films were those he did when he was in prime.
Now, he want to do films which has substance, at times he also does newcomer's films and films based on his industry friend's requests. Those can be low budget films, attempting something. but not kuppai films. He actually indirectly said that the Sengaathu boomiyile had more violence, that too on that films audio function itself.
Same Illayaraja, in Director's function, while praising Rajini, Vijay was also there, so "ethukkum oru formality kku solli veppoom" he said Vijay kullayum oru Director irukkalaam!
So better, dont take everything serious!
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Originally Posted by kr
Yes. I have that doubt about ARR being humble. Can a person be really that humble after getting so much awards. He never appreciated IR music but for him being punctual and not having any bad habits. Only when he got oscar and returned, to avoid people talking, he appreciated IR's music and saying he would have got several oscars had his music being taken in right path. Not only that, when he was asked how he agreed to compose first movie Roja, he replied saying MR has a capacity of picturising beautifully even not so good songs.(Only IR did MR songs prior to that which indirectly says IR music is mediocre). So I have that doubt about ARR's humility. If he is really that humble God bless him. But God only knows it.
But ARR never created unpleasant situation in public to my knowledge. We have to give that to him.
As far IR doing such things in name of talking mind, if everybody in this world started talking their mind, we will see a very unpleasant world. It is not from one incidence we are seeing this. During TIS time, he had problem with Father Gasper. We always conveniently do sappai kaatu for IR. He also talked about ONV(some malayali song writer) on pazhazi raja function as if he could not write to his expectations or something. He has done this time and again and needless to tell about above situations you mentioned.
IR is great with music. No doubt whatsoever. But that does not mean he should not be criticized and he is God. But for his God given gift, he might be like every other person in getting angry, sad. I do not believe our rules do not apply to him and all. That is like deitifying him and there is no need for that in my opinion.
prasad,
No one is questioning anyone's right to criticize Raja. It is just that as much as you have the right to criticize Raja, others have the right to defend him. We are not trying to deifying him but we are trying to prove what you said, that he is as much a human being as us and not a monster that some folks are slyly trying to make of him.
And no, we are not doing sappakkattu. Raja is like that only. We accept it as it is and live with it. But you have others standards and don't accept his 'behavior'. You want him to conform to your norms and he is not going to do that. And that will give you a pedestal to stand on and pontificate about public behavior. I guess that will keep everyone happy. Raja will do what he wants and he is happy. Because he does what he wants, he provides you with fodder to criticize him and you are happy. So in a way it is a win-win situation for Raja and his detractors :D
And for God's sake let us not get ARR in here and make this messier please. Let us leave him out and concentrate only on Raja. Thanks for the understanding.