Islamic Invasions ! Hindus Persecutions !

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Originally Posted by alwarpet_andavan

Its also funny to see the sweeping assumption that India was a *Hindu* *Country*. What about indigenous populations with indigenous gods and suchlike?

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There have been extensive debates on that in this section espicially, and that goes into the whole Ayan Invasion Theory, which is banned from being debated in this section. But the general idea is, that indegenous gods all versions of Hindu Gods.

If you mean gods like Muneeswarar, and Sudalai Maadan, these gods all come into the hindu fold.

But then again, this isn't the thread to discuss that. :)

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Originally Posted by alwarpet_andavan

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Originally Posted by Surya

Reg Godhra,

When was the last time HIndus had such a violent uprising before then?

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1984, to give one example...

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Exactly, 1984-2001....it took 17 years of tolorence by Hindus and Hindu Forces to have a violent uprising.

How many Hindus died in that period of 17 years as a result of Islamic Fundamentalism? Just the Kashmiries come out to a huge sum.

1) Even if it was not an accident, are the evidences strong enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was a communal attack of Muslims on Hindus?
2) Does the evidence overrule the possibility of a Hindu being the culprit?
3) Even if the answer for question 1 is yes, how does it justify the riots?

There have always been instances of Hindu atrocities [like in a fishing hamlet in Kerala] before and after 1984, which may not have been reported widely in the mainstream media.

The point is, dividing, discriminating, humiliating, and killing poeple belonging to ones own 'religion' is not much different from genocide. To a dead/discriminated/humiliated human, it doesn't make a difference whether it was done by a Muslim or a Hindu

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Originally Posted by AA

1) Even if it was not an accident, are the evidences strong enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was a communal attack of Muslims on Hindus?

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The differences in the Initial Reports right after the Carnage (which claimed that the doors were shut from the outside by metal chains), and the differences in the final reports, (In which the chains magically evaporated.)

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2) Does the evidence overrule the possibility of a Hindu being the culprit?

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No it doesn't. I see Lalloo (a hindu) as the culprit for changing the reports for the sake of vote banks. But that still doesn't change the fact that this was an attack perpretrated by a group of fundamentalist muslims.

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3) Even if the answer for question 1 is yes, how does it justify the riots?

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Like I said before, regardless of what I feel, I'm not going to try to justify it here. All I"m saying is why is it that the Hindus are being crucified, when both groups were involved. Why is godhra Malliciously being swept under the carpet? :)

Not just here, even judging by the initial reaction of the Psuedo Secular Press, why was the Godhra Carnage Minimized, and the Gujarat Riots Magnified?

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Originally Posted by alwarpet_andavan

The point is, dividing, discriminating, humiliating, and killing poeple belonging to ones own 'religion' is not much different from genocide. To a dead/discriminated/humiliated human, it doesn't make a difference whether it was done by a Muslim or a Hindu

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It doesn't. But the number of events which are classified as GENOCIDE, have been against Hindus perpetrated by muslims in several instances in India's History starting with Mohammed of Ghazini. :)

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Originally Posted by Surya

The differences in the Initial Reports right after the Carnage (which claimed that the doors were shut from the outside by metal chains), and the differences in the final reports, (In which the chains magically evaporated.)

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Are you talking about the Govt/Indian Railway inquiry report [which was appalingly slow to perform an inquiry in the first place, because of obvious reasons]? According to Foreign Science Lab, Ahmedabad, the door was locked from inside
What necessarily makes the initial report correct and the final report wrong and not the other way round?

Lallu is no saint but one would trust Lallu more with his/her life than a Modi :)

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What necessarily makes the initial report correct and the final report wrong and not the other way round?

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It's hard to truely trust the later report, since it was still termed as an act of fundamentalism, and then Laloo comes to power and Kazaam! It is termed as an accident within 6 months of him in power! :roll: :lol2:

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What necessarily makes the initial report correct and the final report wrong and not the other way round?

Lallu is no saint but one would trust Lallu more with his/her life than a Modi :)

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I beg to differ.

It depends on who that one is...

If it is a minority in the light of the public, Laloo will continue with his minority appeasing decisions, mainly for votebank politics. In this case, Laloo cannot be trusted. :)

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Originally Posted by Surya

It's hard to truely trust the later report, since it was still termed as an act of fundamentalism, and then Laloo comes to power and Kazaam! It is termed as an accident within 6 months of him in power! :roll: :lol2:

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Well, Modi & Co had every bit of reason [actually more] reason to manipulate the reports as THE PARTY RESPONSIBLE for the riots as the minority-appeaser Lallu

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Originally Posted by Surya

I beg to differ.

It depends on who that one is...

If it is a minority in the light of the public, Laloo will continue with his minority appeasing decisions, mainly for votebank politics. In this case, Laloo cannot be trusted. :)

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Life nu onnu irundha dhaane vote bank, minority, idhellam.... Modi adhaye illama panniduvaare.... :)

Anyway, we've made our points...