Kamalhassan's Ideology in his films

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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

kalyan, what i thought was, the writer tried to say that, in reality its balram naidu's foolish act of forcing everybody to assemble in the mosque, but nagesh misunderstand that as an act of allaah

i strongly feel kamal an aethist won't reinforce an idea(even indirectly) that god acted via a person to save a specific group, becos basically he doesn't belive there is anything called god

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but a normal person with religious inclination towards a particular god will think it was a divine intervention enacted via Balram Naidu, and KH the writer doesnt refute that openly as what he does with Hindu beliefs. In fact, the writer KH overtly supports that by making nagesh mouth that particular dialogue to kalifullah.

earlier on the same night (Christmas!) Poovaragan hands over his gold chain with a cross to P Vasu's son, who is shown to be celebrating his birthday. the next morning, during tsunami, the boy is saved (since he is wearing the cross) but Poovaragan dies in the process of saving the child (since he is NOT wearing the cross)[ analogous to Karnan's kavacha-kundalam and Samson's uncut hair]. so the message conveyed is that the person wearing the cross is saved.

so KH is offering fringe benefits to non hindus by extending his covert (often overt) support, in the name of atheism :lol:

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

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Originally Posted by Plum

Ok I wasn't at all interested in the atheism-agnosticism academic debate (what does that make me, kid and equa? Atheist?agnoticist?agnoticist atheist)

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You're passive and Inert - slant towards neither - Atheistic nor Theistic - like Mani's films.. :P

If both atheists and theists maintain such passivism or rather pacificism & keep their views to themselves, there will be more of a harmony.

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true, it will be great if KH reads your post :)

Isn't dasAvathAram a commercial movie? (or anbE sivam or another xyz movie)

From the discussions going on here, one would think that it was a documentary featuring the beliefs of Kamalahasan :-)

kalyan, agee with u :) avar theliva sollaatha varai avar meethu naam varnam poosikkondu thaan iruppom :yes:

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Originally Posted by app_engine

Isn't dasAvathAram a commercial movie? (or anbE sivam or another xyz movie)

From the discussions going on here, one would think that it was a documentary featuring the beliefs of Kamalahasan :-)

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apart frpm what type of movie it is, one shud agree that there is no such movie in indian film history which is so dense and keep on pouring direct or symbolic nuggets so that there is always more and more to discuss about.

of course, all these things are the skin of the movie whereas the entertaiment and excitement quotient it provided is uncomparable

here, now, we are mostly discussing about the skin of the movie

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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

kalyan, agee with u :) avar theliva sollaatha varai avar meethu naam varnam poosikkondu thaan iruppom :yes:

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like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iTs70ds3RA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQC4N9G_Mc0 :lol:

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Originally Posted by kalyan

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

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Originally Posted by Plum

Ok I wasn't at all interested in the atheism-agnosticism academic debate (what does that make me, kid and equa? Atheist?agnoticist?agnoticist atheist)

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You're passive and Inert - slant towards neither - Atheistic nor Theistic - like Mani's films.. :P

If both atheists and theists maintain such passivism or rather pacificism & keep their views to themselves, there will be more of a harmony.

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true, it will be great if KH reads your post :)

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Do stress on "Pacificism", I'm sure we're at a point of history where the dangers posed by Religious fundamentalism far exceeds the presupposed 'secularists'. Sure we could do a body count, but not the forged inaccurate figures spread by theologians and apologists to cover their bases. But what remains eminent is misappropriation of communists as 'atheists'. Atheists have only one commonality and that is the conviction in absence of God (and not belonging to a singular ideology), but no 'hatred' is brought about by *that* (but by 'religion' and its institution(s), like church which indulge in blatant antisemitism).

Likes of KH exist because of the historical imbalance. Whatever your views on "Hindu bashing" might be. What's undeniable is folks like Poovaragan are 'Vincent' because of history of oppression and Human violation within different sects of religion. If he was born elsewhere, as P_R very aptly brought up, he'd be alluding to "inquisition" and antisemitism. And not 'Gang rape' by Muslims in Hey! Ram or violation of pregnant woman's womb by whoever(left ambivalent - so fill as you please) in UPO.

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Originally Posted by kid-glove

If he was born elsewhere, as P_R very aptly brought up, he'd be alluding to "inquisition" and antisemitism. And not 'Gang rape' by Muslims in Hey! Ram or violation of pregnant woman's womb by whoever(left ambivalent - so fill as you please) in UPO.

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arent we discussing reality rather than possibilities? :)

BTW, Inquisition wasnt confined to Europe. In fact, the most horrible and the bloodiest of the inquisitions was conducted in Goa, and was performed by the portuguese against the native Goanese hindus.

If I was an adviser, I'd suggest Kamal to do research on Asian inquisition & also do a Goa(n) get-up while he's at it. Political correctness remba mukkyam illaiya? :)

I'm not talking about possibilities. Kamal's character in UPO is deliberately ambivalent in this anecdote and secularizes (not the Indian context) from "Hindu vs Muslim" equation. Both the identity of the woman and identity of the violators aren't spell out. But alludes to violation of 'common man' in such a 'conflict' as a whole. Sure, one could read between the lines and be convinced it's got to be Hindus he's talking about. Let's also speculate Hey! Ram while we're at it. :)

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Originally Posted by Plum

For kamal, hindu way of life is first hand experience.others are academic knowledge so hindu examples(especially jaadhi veRi - the ones referred to in dasa by paatti - sheer contempt for "low" castes, which I can vouch for lies upto previous generation of mine and my gen too) might come - as Raju would put it - "apdiyE varradhu dhaan illai".
Menakettu pOi muslim atrocity pathi edukkaNumnA, google search paNNi quiz answer pandrA maadhri dhaan.

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