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So now IR thinks his own fans have indulged in unintentional piracy and have not increased the TIS sales
http://www.raaja.com/maestros_desk.html
some of the guys over at the IR yahoo fans club are already upset about this. Either IR has been misinformed by circles around him or further clarification is awaited from him. I hope he doesnt lose whatever little fan base he has now.
vijayr
May be this is an attempt by the Rajangham people to feel out how much backlash there is over the TiS fiasco.
multi, no it isnt. Its a confirmed letter from IR himself. Atleast thats what they claim. Further clarification is supposedly going to be made.
"Either IR has been misinformed by circles around him or further clarification is awaited from him"
1. "further clarification " - Like what vijay? And why should this lose him fan base? Please elaborate.
2. Are you implying that
a) TiS had Low Sales due to inherent lack of quality? I'm sure not.
or
b) That IR is responsible for low sales of TiS. If so , how?
or
c) That IR knows that his actions are responsible for low sales of TiS but he is trying to shift blame to fans? I'm sure even you, with your low esteem of IR's honesty(if my perception is wrong, dont bother refuting this - for all I know it may be just my perception that you dont think IR is very honest but dont bother refuting this), wouldn't believe that.Or would you? And so, if yes, what actions of IR were responsible for low sales of TiS?
or
d) Are you imlying that it is entirely untrue that IR fans themselves have made unauthorised copies and that may have led to reduced opportunities for orignal CD to sell?AQnd that it is a figment of iR's imagination?
And another question, what makes you think his fan base is little? Very curious to know that. And who has a bigger fan base?
FYI, I wouldnt stop being an IR fan just because he slammed people who he thinks pirated his original work. Hey, I didnt pirate so his statement hardly bothers me. If it does bother someone, oh!oh!boy, did that someone actually pirate and so guilty conscience? If that someone didnt pirate, why would he/she fret over a statement not addressed at him but at pirates - so much so that he would stop being a fan?
I hope you answer these questions directly without side-stepping. Most of them are YES or NO, I think. Ofcourse you have the answer of not answering or even sidestepping but that would only make you another of the ordinary tfm-forumers who come in and make random comments without any convincing rationale. Iam sure you dont belong to that group ;-)
I sent out a mail to the admin id given in the letter and said that I would buy original CDs/Tapes if IR comes out with another project like TiS. I wasn't offended by either the tone or the content of the letter. I know many fans of IR who bought CDs to be gifted to their pals and also fans who copied TiS to iPod and circulated in an ill informed measure to 'ppularize' it. They were purely misinformed and the letter simply insisted that they were 'misinformed fans' who out of the love of introducing their friends to IR's music had done so. So the letter didn't even assume that fans copied illegally. Actually the fair use clause makes it perfectly legal to copy music from a CD to computer even going by stringent US laws!!!!
However fans of IR didn't ditch him as VijayR eagerly expected, they simly created a new mail ID where request for new projects like TiS were collected to be communicated to IR!!! I as a fan was disappointed at TiS not being a gigantic success like other contemporary albums, film albums, however reconciled to the fact that I rediscovered Thiruvaasagam and its inner meaning through IR's mellifluous music. So i have no complaints.
I guess that any fan of IR must be feeling the same way!!(My guess..)
So any day....
Kurai ondrum Illai...
Thats true. One of my friend (IR Fan/Supporter) had bought TiS CD, and I asked him to make me a copy. He refused and told me buy one. I asked him to play it for me once. After one listening, I told him... "Dont waste a CD".Quote:
Originally Posted by rajdes
Now... You IR fanatics may please start questioning my sanity and knowledge about music. For me IRs greatest music means it was recorded before 1988.
rajdes, there you go again throwing a bunch of questions. I get the feeling you are easily irked about this issue but dont want to admit it though :-)
Anyways, further clarification from IR himself is expected as mentioned by one of the raajangam team members. I didnt ask for it. Clarification probably as to how and why IR thinks its his fans who did piracy or why the letter at this time after the sales supposedly reached a record. This was because a few IR fans there in that yahoo club seemed a little upset and they worked their tails off for this project.I just mentioned their reaction here thats all. Hope its clear.
and as for your second question, I am not implying anything. I just posted a link, thats all. I didnt even know that the sales was low. I thought it set a record the first few weeks. But If some of those guys feel upset and require clarification then it isnt good news, is it? I dont know if they feel guilty as you implied or if they just feel upset that instead of IR thanking them for their efforts for whatever TIS sales has happened so far, he is accusing them first for piracy. Personally, after all that has happened I didnt feel much either way. So I am not eagerly waiting for any clarification myself in this regard. This is a minor issue compared to what transpired earlier. As for his fan base, you know what kind of market he has now in TFM. Thats what I was talking about. Especially the youth. He is not getting any new fans. So let him not atleast lose the older ones over a needless generalization. After all, there were many guys who refused to download or copy or buy anything but legal CDs.
"I hope you answer these questions directly without side-stepping."
since that discussion we have had on MSV songs good/bad ratio, you have been only asking questions as soon as I make apost, I have provided relevant answers with facts(whenever possible) and then you wont be found in that thread for several days. And then you keep throwing this word "side-stepping".
Vijay, Read the letter carefully IR does thank his fans for their support(he may not have explicitly thanked them for sales). As for your statement that "you just posted a link", well you also posted a couple of statements along with it that seemed an effort to try to make this a major issue. This is what irks people like Rajdes and others. If you did not care for whatever happend , you should have just posted the link and kept quiet without adding statements about some Yahoo fans being upset and how Ir might lose his fan base because of this. you seem to be more inclined to trust some Yahoo fans than trust IR. He must have some sources otherwise why would he post this letter?( we know not all are making copies but there must be some about whom we do not know) Try to avoid making any statments before you know all the facts
As for Ir's fan base not getting new fans, well just because he does not have a market in TFM right now does not mean the youth are not his fans . They have plenty of good stuff to listen from IR's hits which are timeless. Again Generations keep moving forward and will always be more inclined to listen to what is currently popular there today. But that does not mean they do not admire IR's work. Again Youth is a broad category, i know from personal experience people aged in late 20's (if you consider them youth) are fans of IR even today ,infact a lot of them. so there are plenty of fans out there for IR. you do not have to worry about losing fans based on a letter which was not in the least offensive to any fan.
"you seem to be more inclined to trust some Yahoo fans than trust IR."
rprasad, in case you didnt know they are not just "some yahoo fans". Many of them worked their tails off for this project and a couple of them maintain that site from where I got that link.
"well you also posted a couple of statements along with it that seemed an effort to try to make this a major issue"
thats just your perception. I posted the link and my comments about it, thats all. To me it seemed like there was a generalization, when a very few probably did it. What is the percentage contributed by IR fans to the overall piracy?
And I clearly said this is a minor issue, although I didnt say that I didnt care about it all like you wrongly quoted. You have got it all wrong. Read posts carefully.