Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankarlal
இதெல்லாம் ஏப்புக்கு தெரியுமா?!?

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I'm reminded of M N Nambiar :-)

Once upon a time, there was an interview (either in Vikatan or Kumudam) when the reporter asked him 'why have you not tried hero role'.

The irate MNN's answer was 'nee pAl sAppittukkittu irukkumbOthE nAn kadhA nAyakanA nadichchuttEn'.

Quite apt in the context - perhaps I'm donning the role of "Nambiyar" (villain) in this 'Kamal as Avi iyakkunar' discussion.

Look at my "more than a year old" post on iLangiLiyE, the sweet song from sankarlAl.

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The director was T N Balu, who earlier did uyarndhavarkaL & sattam en kaiyil with Kamal (iRaivan iraNdu bommaigaL seythAn & sorgam madhuvilE immediately come to mind). IIRC, he died before the movie was complete and someone else released it. (googled to verify my memory and wikipedia says Kamal himself completed it. It claims shankarlal was KH's first directorial attempt :wink: KH-anudhabees may frown at it because the movie was termed dumb and a disaster as well).

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IMO, SKV'yOda "same side goal" :wink:

mikka nanRi Plum, P_R, Bala(Karthik) for your excellent and patient replies to my posts!

Also, nanRi to equa sir for further insights!

I'm happy that I could get some recognition among theevira KH fans for these people. ('dummy' title getting replaced with 'associate' 'grunt work':lol: 'executor' kind of far more decent descriptions)!

My mission accomplished :-)

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Originally Posted by P_R

I've seen on SB interview where he talks about how it was a huge effort to get the cameras in and out of the caves. They ha to build cables to lower and bring out the equipment.

Thats what I meant by the executor being someone who had a creative bent of mind. To know how important, and worth the effort an aesthetic achievement is. One needn't personally be the ideator to to share that passion.

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Absolutely. I completely agree with the point that it involved delegation of very significant tasks; and can't emphasize enough the point that the executor himself had to be someone who shares the passion of creating the movie. But here's the thing. It's a bit hard to believe that Kamal meant to relieve himself of the nitty-gritties of the making of the film. He is someone who's been notorious for intrusion right from his early days, doing all sorts of errands to achieve something, enhance the film etc.; in his own words he can rightfully claim to have been an assistant director for many of his early films. In short, a hard worker in all ways. And secondly, if he was willing to take the whole responsibility (of being a full-time director) at 45 years, wouldn't he have jumped at it when he was younger?

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Originally Posted by app_engine

Once upon a time, there was an interview (either in Vikatan or Kumudam) when the reporter asked him 'why have you not tried hero role'.

The irate MNN's answer was 'nee pAl sAppittukkittu irukkumbOthE nAn kadhA nAyakanA nadichchuttEn'.

Quite apt in the context - perhaps I'm donning the role of "Nambiyar" (villain) in this 'Kamal as Avi iyakkunar' discussion.

Look at my "more than a year old" post on iLangiLiyE, the sweet song from sankarlAl.

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The director was T N Balu, who earlier did uyarndhavarkaL & sattam en kaiyil with Kamal (iRaivan iraNdu bommaigaL seythAn & sorgam madhuvilE immediately come to mind). IIRC, he died before the movie was complete and someone else released it. (googled to verify my memory and wikipedia says Kamal himself completed it. It claims shankarlal was KH's first directorial attempt :wink: KH-anudhabees may frown at it because the movie was termed dumb and a disaster as well).

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IMO, SKV'yOda "same side goal" :wink:

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1. While u made that post, 2011, i was not paal saaptufying! Basivcally i stopped Paal 20 years b4 itself!

2. you urself came to know that kamal took over, only from Vicky!

3. Since u r ahead of us by timeline, there is no issues at my side if you genuinely come and tell us an info about kamal, which none of us knew b4!

But ippo problem athu illai :) Bala and P_R clearly explains the context! And i asked you how deep did you absorb the arstistic, cinematic contents of the KamalSB movies you mentioned. You seem to wander with some pre-assumptions. Only that led you to think so about Kamal-SB or Kamal-SRR. Of course one cannot get deep in ALL topics no?!

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Originally Posted by app_engine

mikka nanRi Plum, P_R, Bala(Karthik) for your excellent and patient replies to my posts!

Also, nanRi to equa sir for further insights!

I'm happy that I could get some recognition among theevira KH fans for these people. ('dummy' title getting replaced with 'associate' 'grunt work':lol: 'executor' kind of far more decent descriptions)!

My mission accomplished :-)

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App
Sorry to say. It seems like you are still refusing to engage in any meaningful discussion.
How do the terms 'associate', 'grunt work', 'executor' depart from our original (and current) stand that SB was a proxy. What Himalayan difference does all this terminology make? What is this recognition you are talking about? That SB was the director in the sense that he shouted "action", "cut" and moved equipment in between samosa snacks? Are these more important to you than anything creative? How is this different from what was said earlier?

Regarding the Sankarlal post - not something fans would want to flaunt i suppose :lol:

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The director was T N Balu, who earlier did uyarndhavarkaL & sattam en kaiyil with Kamal (iRaivan iraNdu bommaigaL seythAn & sorgam madhuvilE immediately come to mind). IIRC, he died before the movie was complete and someone else released it. (googled to verify my memory and wikipedia says Kamal himself completed it. It claims shankarlal was KH's first directorial attempt KH-anudhabees may frown at it because the movie was termed dumb and a disaster as well).
IMO, SKV'yOda "same side goal"

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However, disagree with the lines in bold. Like i said, Kamal being the director of a dud (as bad as it may be) is not relevant to this discussion at all. I guess Sakala just made the point that he got to "direct" as early as Sankarlal. Inga panjayathu vera. Moreover, that was not his script (i think). When was the last time any director made an awesome film with an awful script? (BGethukkaaha Geedhaanjali-a rasikkalaam aana adhu nalla padamaiduma?)

And about taking credit/Mani-Ramani etc. Nobody blamed SSR for Mumbai Xpress, did they? Or Suresh Krissna for Alavandhaan? ["Blame" pannanum-ngara patchathil, in the first place. Both films did have some moments]. Yen, ippo MMA-vaye eduthukkunga....

enna kaiya pudichu ilutthiayaa...

Good point! thOththu pOnaa athu kamal script, gelichaa athu SB/KSR/SSR Direction! Nallaarukku ivanga panjaayathu!

Surya nna ennannu theriyumaa?!? Natpunnaa ennannu theriyumaa?!? Substitute Kamal, Screenplay etc

Just want to remind here that, inspite of the commercial failure of Mahanadhi/GuNaa/Anbesivam, these 3 films are widely discussed in Net then and there. Those who discuss, most of them, find them as great films and had they got released now, they would have become Superhits.

Even SB underlines that in the interview which i posted(only thus all this discussion running :lol: ), "innikku ivanga panra aLavukku engaLaala viLambaram panna vazhi irunthaa, innum ennennamO senjiruppOm"

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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

Good point! thOththu pOnaa athu kamal script, gelichaa athu SB/KSR/SSR Direction! Nallaarukku ivanga panjaayathu!

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To clarify, when i said "Nobody blamed SSR....etc" i meant none of "us" (Kamal fans). That was in response to app's allegation that naama vetri-na credit eduthukka virumbarom, tholvi na disown panrom etc