Vazhipokkan,
You got it all wrong. It is NOT Sripart Rajamani - it is Sripart SINthamany.
That should make all the difference:-)
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Vazhipokkan,
You got it all wrong. It is NOT Sripart Rajamani - it is Sripart SINthamany.
That should make all the difference:-)
Vijay,
I was not upset at all .. just giving a different perspective to your oft ( for want of a better word ) repeated view that his recent albums are not as good as his old gems or whatever.. I never claimed that each and every composition of his is GOOD.. If i like it i like it.. if i do not i don't get dissappointed considering all the other factors..
In my opnion, Acclaims can be long , detailed.. But criticisms shd be short to the point of being non-existent...And again nothing will remain good or best for ever ( that applies to everything in this world )
Anyways if you interpreted my post as being upset ..sorry that was not the intention.. just sharing thoughts..
CHeers
MSK
Is this a sequel to Rajapart Rangadurai? :-)
MSK, point taken
MSK, I wish I had your patience and cool. Fortunately, NagaS, did not get offended (nice guy :)).
Folks, I have almost first hand information that IR does these so called 'average' movies mainly to keep in touch with the industry and his 'spontaniety' in shape. Youthful subjects are sent in the way of YSR, even some serious ones are shared with Karthik (eg. Ivan). As Jaiganesh mentions, it is a not lie or propaganda that there are people 'begging' him to do certain movies (ofcourse, with very less salary). Even for ivan, when Parthiban approached him, IR jokingly mentioned, "neenga thaan periya periya music directorellAm vechu padam pannareengalame, en kitta En vandheenga". Somehow Parthiban, gave the classical music excuse to get him to compose for him.
So after all these eliminations, you get the movies like the ones we have.
Re: expectation from new albums and allegations that I consider every album/song of IR great, please see my review of achuvinte amma -
"Achuvinte amma is very good. Probably not completely fresh (as Nitya points out) as after 4000 songs, it is probably getting very difficult for IR to come out with a new phrase or probably this is what makes a creative process a creative process..it is like a sport..you need to be skilled, motivated and energised, but still your performance is not guaranteed.
Again, this does not beat Kochu kochu ..that album had two fantastic fresh groovy numbers and two classical numbers. This one has two good melodies, and one fun song which is kind of not that fresh. "
Now decide for yourself whether it is balanced or not. am not sure what or whether I even wrote anything about karagattakkAri earlier. I brought it up, because it was being 'trashed'. We can criticise the song but I think it is not right to attack IR, with unpleasant insinuations.I
You can see my view of recent songs in the above review. My stance is IR has done so many songs..that it will be very difficult for us to see freshness in them. Tunes are - been there dont that. Work is now in orchestration techniques. That is why nowadays I look for innovations in orchestration. Like I said, niRam piriththu and enna solli pAduvatho are songs that I appreciate for this reason. Songs are a format that has been beaten to death by IR. This is the reason, IR needs a bigger canvas like BGM or full fledged western classical compositions to work on.
Unfortunately, his interest is not in line with the tastes of indian audience, songs like in Guru, are not necessarily well-received. But personally, I feel that is the direction IR should go (and he is) as we need to integrate indian melodies with a big orchestra. This will be a wonderful and precious heritage from IR.
this was your original comment :
"Do you think a composer who can compose for a full western classical orchestra, would ever allow his name to be put on an inferior composition, even for just money ?IR has the 'garvam' pride in his art ...."
I didnt post the entire comment but you were essentially saying that he just CANNOT make an inferior composition. Every song of his is superior in some way or the other. To me, thats about as naive as someone can get.
I too have first hand info on how IR doesnt bother to give his best(except in his first few years) for certain movies which do not have a big banner or director/actor. Uninspired and unimaginative. And a few learned posters here like Nitya have agreed with me on albums like Yugadharmam, Krishnan Vandhaan etc. There were many such albums even in the 80s. No one is expecting a hit out of every album, but with certain albums its painfully obvious that IR hasnt worked hard on it at all. In the (g)olden days when the overall work ethics/standards were higher, MDs used to work hard on each and every single song they did. (IR did it in his early years). They never used to accept 40 movies a year and end up working hard on just 10 good albums. The percentage(of good songs) was much higher in the 50s and 60s.
eden, it was the Berny-Ignatius duo that composed for 'Thenmavin Kombathu.' I never seriously listened to any of their compositions as of yet.
'Enna Solli Paaduvatho' has the same meter as 'Alli Alli Veesudhammaa' by GA in Athamaaga Rathiname, and is also not orchestrated as well as the latter song, although the melody is fairly pleasing.
"I too have first hand info on how IR doesnt bother to give his best(except in his first few years) for certain movies which do not have a big banner or director/actor. Uninspired and unimaginative. And a few learned posters here like Nitya have agreed with me on albums like Yugadharmam, Krishnan Vandhaan etc."
But vijay, didn't Krishnan Vandhaan have Sivaji Ganeshan and Mohan, neither of which name requires deep digging into the archives of Tamil Cinema? Other than 'Oru Uravu,' I haven't heard any Krishnan Vandhaan songs.
On another note, you guys say that Malayalis don't use that complex orchestration. I agree with that to a certain extent. But then, listen to some early compositions of Sarath and Ouseppachan, and even some recent compositions of these men. Even Johnson has given interesting, albeit not extravagant orchestration in some songs, synonymous to MSV.
Folks, lavish orchestration doesn't always make a song worthy of hearing, not any more than a rare raaga usage. It depends on the overall presentation, as vijay noted earlier in this thread.
That's all for now.
Regards,
Nitya
Agreed,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitya
But Nitya, indian classical music and western classical music are two different schools of thought. I would characterise indian classical music as linear and western classical music as 'concurrent' ie. in indian music, notes are slid/dragged. In wcm, notes are played in parallel.
It is a matter of taste/culture to prefer one over the other.
IR is trying to present icm in a wcm presentation. It is not just 'lavish orchestration' as you would say. Just access to a big orchestra does not guarantee lavish orchestration. Actually, in the niRam piriththu song, it is all done with keyboards. So you can do it for cheap. (Maybe, one reason malayalam songs of IR are heavy in synth). It is the harmonies/counterpoints in IR's songs that I find it interesting. I too enjoy MSV's songs, mainly for the melody. (It is interesting to compare the 1975 hits LP with a 1985 hits LP !!) But he did make a beginning on the WCM orchestration which IR has continue.
Can you elaborate why enna solli is not well orchestrated like the other song ? Any references to where I can listen to it online ?
Kiru sir ,
I thought teh strings for teh Nirma Pirithu are live !!!
"Endhu paranjaalum.." from Achuvinte Amma resembles "Pacha malai ppovu.." from Kizhakku Vaasal... Infact, you can fit one song in to the tune of the other..Just try and see :wink: