ARR Vs YSR Vs HJ

korakako..... SOK audio is a big HIT.... no other MDs movie who only ran average had thier audio this big hit...

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Originally Posted by dinesh2002

korakako..... SOK audio is a big HIT.... no other MDs movie who only ran average had thier audio this big hit...

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No dinesh. It is completely wrong. Movies of Vijay, Simbu etc with some totally junk songs are so popular now a days and they sell little better than good songs.

Even ARR had to come down and score a song in God father (Varalaru) like this. It had the "Vadumaanga" song feel.

Look at raaga top 10 now. No ARR, No IR, No HJ, No YSR.

10 Mudiyum Mudiyum
Singer(s): SP. Balasubramaniam
Music: S. Premkumar
Album: Sathanai

9 Utthu Utthu Paarthaaya
Singer(s): Sujatha, Bharani
Music: Bharani
Album: Thirudi

8 Kancha Penna
Singer(s): Veeramani, Pallavi
Music: Paul J
Album: Kizhakku Kadarkarai Salai

7 Thee Pori Parakkum
Singer(s): Tippu
Music: Srikanth Deva
Album: E

6 En Anbe
Singer(s): Karthik, Mirunalini
Music: Deva
Album: Adavadi

5 Naana Idhu Naana
Singer(s): Kalyani
Music: Bharathwaj
Album: Vattaram

4 Yennadi Muniyamma
Singer(s): Karthik, Blaaze
Music: D. Imman
Album: Vathiyar

3 Ennama Kannu
Singer(s): Karthik, Ranjith
Music: D. Imman
Album: Thiruvilayadal Aarambam

2 Atrai Thingal
Singer(s): Madhu Balakrishna, Sujatha
Music: Vidyasagar
Album: Sivappathikaram

1 Yaro Yevalo
Singer(s): Ranjith
Music: D. Imman
Album: Rendu

In hindi still melody rocks and good lyrics add a nice touch to a soft melody. In tamil, bad words, english, and some nonsense noice in between and guys showing their under wear and dancing is more popular.

BTW anyone noticed this, raaga.com removed SOK and GF. Any1 know any reason?

Harris is best 8-)

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Originally Posted by bulb_mani

Harris is best 8-)

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if ur saying based on the list... yea..he is....AFTER ARR.... 8-)

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Originally Posted by dinesh2002

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Originally Posted by bulb_mani

Harris is best 8-)

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if ur saying based on the list... yea..he is....AFTER ARR.... 8-)

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Originally Posted by dinesh2002

trust me.... there is faar better albums/bgm in hindi...ur just seeing a famouse film of hindi... something like watching a famouse film in tamil...which not neccasary to have good songs/bgm....

try watching BLACK.....

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I agree but you are just talking one good movie out of 100. My point was the popular music in Hindi is not that great compared to tamil music now. I think Yuvan and Hj are doing fine job compared to these hindi Mds (Exception SEL). In the BGM area, Yuvan is top class, he gives an extra touch even to masala movies like thimiru. Dhoom-2's background music is so pathetic. A movie that absorbed this much money for production should deserve a better musical score.

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Originally Posted by bulb_mani

Harris is best 8-)

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yes!!!harris best 'xerox machin' :lol: his latest best xerox is chaiyya chaiya song in sainakudu telugu movie!!!chi ethellam oru polappa :banghead:

anand

chaiyya chaiya and another MSV song in the same movie.

Even YSR is not leaving anyone alone. In Vallavan for one of the song, he copied IR, ARR (Errani song beat from Kadhalan is used), some english movie (not sure which one, HP I believe) and MSV and TR, all in 1 song.

I watched his interview recently - he said to score music for movies, we dont need to have any formal musical knowledge - Ippa puriyudhu yennu - Ivaru IR magannu sonna IRkku maha kevalam.

Guys, MSV, IR, ARR - Thats it. Nothing else to discuss. Wait for another one to come in next decade.

u guys also missed his aped Santhoshe Kaneere - Uyire for Mayera - Sainikudu.............

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Originally Posted by njv

Guys, MSV, IR, ARR - Thats it. Nothing else to discuss. Wait for another one to come in next decade.

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no njv, wait till 2008 and not more.... :bluejump:

MSV/TKR - 1960
IR - 1976
ARR - 1992
?? - 2008

undoubtedly Harris Jeyaraj / YSR 8-)

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Originally Posted by njv

anand

chaiyya chaiya and another MSV song in the same movie.

Even YSR is not leaving anyone alone. In Vallavan for one of the song, he copied IR, ARR (Errani song beat from Kadhalan is used), some english movie (not sure which one, HP I believe) and MSV and TR, all in 1 song.

I watched his interview recently - he said to score music for movies, we dont need to have any formal musical knowledge - Ippa puriyudhu yennu - Ivaru IR magannu sonna IRkku maha kevalam.

Guys, MSV, IR, ARR - Thats it. Nothing else to discuss. Wait for another one to come in next decade.

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:clap: :clap: :clap: :yes: :yes: :yes: superrr sir :ty: ithaithan naan soolanu innu nenachin.aani adichappala sollitingga..M.S.V.IR.ARR piragu adutha idam innum kaaliyathan irukku!!!

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Originally Posted by bulb_mani

undoubtedly Harris Jeyaraj / YSR 8-)

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unnga aasaiya naan yaan kedukkanum :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by bulb_mani

undoubtedly Harris Jeyaraj / YSR 8-)

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no way, a person who will come from 7 mountains and 7 seas like a monster wave who will wash away HJ/YSR/GVP and the IR trend,ARR trend.... :lol:

we dont need to have any formal musical knowledge -ysr
uthumathiri arr ethavathu interviewla sonna enna agum konjam nenachu parrunnga sir!!!
raja sir sandaikku vanthuruvar :lol:

Guru vs. Pachaikilli Muthucharam vs. Chennai 600028

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Originally Posted by baba88

Guru vs. Pachaikilli Muthucharam vs. Chennai 600028

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Original vs rehash vs remix

All may be good. Guru (in hindi) will stand outstanding.

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Originally Posted by baba88

Guru vs. Pachaikilli Muthucharam vs. Chennai 600028

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Original vs rehash vs remix

All may be good. Guru (in hindi) will stand outstanding.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by baba88

Guru vs. Pachaikilli Muthucharam vs. Chennai 600028

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Original vs rehash vs remix

All may be good. Guru (in hindi) will stand outstanding.

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omg... hahahaah.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: couldnt agree more.....

I think YSR is right in what he says. Classical music gives you a method to compose for movies but not THE ONLY way. A MD does not do classical performance in movies, he presents a set of songs that suits the theme of a particular movie. Is there any rule he should compose only based on raagas (unless it is sindu bairavi or ....)? If you have the technical knowledge and a song is composed based on some raaga, you will enjoy it more. But as a commoner, I don't think it matters much as long as the song is good to listen. If you are expecting only classical based songs from movies, then you should be dumb. Don't blame the MD, because that is not their job. :)

In his recent interview to AV, Sanjay Subramiam says that he likes IR songs that came out before IR started using raagas into his film songs. Does that tell you anything??

i heard a song which is very similar to "kannai vittu" in pattiyal

wait i shall post

http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-am.html

see the 54 the song....named turn me on!

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Originally Posted by MrJudge

I think YSR is right in what he says. Classical music gives you a method to compose for movies but not THE ONLY way. A MD does not do classical performance in movies, he presents a set of songs that suits the theme of a particular movie. Is there any rule he should compose only based on raagas (unless it is sindu bairavi or ....)? If you have the technical knowledge and a song is composed based on some raaga, you will enjoy it more. But as a commoner, I don't think it matters much as long as the song is good to listen. If you are expecting only classical based songs from movies, then you should be dumb. Don't blame the MD, because that is not their job.
In his recent interview to AV, Sanjay Subramiam says that he likes IR songs that came out before IR started using raagas into his film songs. Does that tell you anything??

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Really? Is there a link to this article somewhere?

and regarding what YSR said, your interpretation of it is wrong. Songs need not be in specific raagas to appeal to a common listener agreed, but thats not what YSR said. He said knowledge of classical music is not needed. Which is not necessarily true. In fact if someone goes to YSR and asks him to score music for a film like say Sindhubhairavi, what would he do then? Would he read "Learn carnatic music in 30 days" or "Classical music for dummies"? Or remix all songs from Sindhubhairavi? (like how he did with "kaNda naaL mudhalaai"). An MD should be aware of as many genres in music as possible so that he can use them as and when the situation warrants. But I agree with YSR in the sense that, if you are good in remixing then you dont need to have formal knowledge of most classical forms :-)

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But I agree with YSR in the sense that, if you are good in remixing then you dont need to have formal knowledge of most classical forms

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by vijayr

Really? Is there a link to this article somewhere?

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I think AV.com was turned to a pay-site now. But a detailed interview of him came out a few months back in 'kalachuvadu', he was quoting similar things there too.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

and regarding what YSR said, your interpretation of it is wrong. Songs need not be in specific raagas to appeal to a common listener agreed, but thats not what YSR said. He said knowledge of classical music is not needed. Which is not necessarily true. In fact if someone goes to YSR and asks him to score music for a film like say Sindhubhairavi, what would he do then? Would he read "Learn carnatic music in 30 days" or "Classical music for dummies"? Or remix all songs from Sindhubhairavi? (like how he did with "kaNda naaL mudhalaai"). An MD should be aware of as many genres in music as possible so that he can use them as and when the situation warrants. But I agree with YSR in the sense that, if you are good in remixing then you dont need to have formal knowledge of most classical forms :-)

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I think you are wrong again. I have not listened to his interview that was in question. But the post clearly says that "he said to score music for movies, we dont need to have any formal musical knowledge" I still think YSR is right in what he says. Do you seriously think someone is going to take movies like sindu bhairavi again in tf? Leave Yuvan alone, no one is qualified to do sindhu bhairavi after IR. And Yuvan has done 3 remixes in his 150+(??) songs, that fact will answer your remix myth. Did you ridicule arr too when he remixed 'mangalyam thanthu naane' bit in alaipayuthey? (I vaguely remember reading about this bit song in the AV movie review, correct me if I am wrong). I hope you did not and applaused it with your mouth open :)

I know what your intention is. Go ahead and ridicule Yuvan as much as possible, this is a free forum after all. But what matters is how much successful Yuvan is among the mass, I think he scores there perfectly and leads all the way.

"But the post clearly says that "he said to score music for movies, we dont need to have any formal musical knowledge""

and I said in my previous post :
"He said knowledge of classical music is not needed"

whats the big difference between these two comments?!

"Leave Yuvan alone, no one is qualified to do sindhu bhairavi after IR. "

and how qualified are you to say that? :-)I can easily think of 2 other MDs who have given such classical songs in the past and who are capable of doing it well too-VS,ARR. Just because you are ignorant, it doesnt mean there arent qualified MDs around

"Do you seriously think someone is going to take movies like sindu bhairavi again in tf?"

Thats besides the point. The thing is even if they DO want to make a movie like that they wont go to Yuvan due to his suspect knowledge. When he had the opportunity to score a classical song in kaNda naaL mudhal he ended up remixing it

"Did you ridicule arr too when he remixed 'mangalyam thanthu naane' bit in alaipayuthey?"

That was an original tune, it was not a remix. Guess you probably dont even realize the difference. The alaipaayudhe title song was what that was re-used. As against that he has given several original classical songs in other albums. Anyways, there is no need to drag ARR or IR or any other MD whenever YSR is being criticized. The fact that you do that every time only shows what YOUR intention is :-)

"And Yuvan has done 3 remixes in his 150+(??) songs, that fact will answer your remix myth."

3?
aasai nooruvagai, ennasai mydhiliye, kaNda naal mudhalaai, adiye manam nilluna-which ppl have discussed it here
http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=3185

and 2 more songs of MSV in the upcoming Billa movie.
Thats already a total of 6 songs and several other rehashed tunes under the garb of original like the 7GRC rainbow theme(rehashed from Johny and so on). I might have even missed some. Theepdikka had some old songs remixed in. The fact is he does it more than any other top-echeleon MD

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several other rehashed tunes under the garb of original like the 7GRC rainbow theme(rehashed from Johny and so on).
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I agree with you on others...However, the 7GRC score just had one motif from the Johnny theme. The remaining portions aren't copied as far as i know.

Count the number of motifs there and you'll know how much of a copy it is.

Most of the TFM lifts of all MDs listed in copied songs thread and elsewhere, even those of Deva's, have their inspiration/lift limited to just the first line of the pallavi or maybe the first 2 lines. The rest of the song are their own. But we still term it as a lift. So lets keep the standards uniform. One motif is long enough to be termed a lift. oru line copy adichchaalum copy dhaan.


As for YSR, his rehashed songs list will probably be a bigger one than his remix list. I have'nt even gotten started on that yet. Since this topic was just about remixed songs I have restricted myself.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

"But the post clearly says that "he said to score music for movies, we dont need to have any formal musical knowledge""

and I said in my previous post :
"He said knowledge of classical music is not needed"

whats the big difference between these two comments?!

"Leave Yuvan alone, no one is qualified to do sindhu bhairavi after IR. "

and how qualified are you to say that? :-)I can easily think of 2 other MDs who have given such classical songs in the past and who are capable of doing it well too-VS,ARR. Just because you are ignorant, it doesnt mean there arent qualified MDs around

"Do you seriously think someone is going to take movies like sindu bhairavi again in tf?"

Thats besides the point. The thing is even if they DO want to make a movie like that they wont go to Yuvan due to his suspect knowledge. When he had the opportunity to score a classical song in kaNda naaL mudhal he ended up remixing it

"Did you ridicule arr too when he remixed 'mangalyam thanthu naane' bit in alaipayuthey?"

That was an original tune, it was not a remix. Guess you probably dont even realize the difference. The alaipaayudhe title song was what that was re-used. As against that he has given several original classical songs in other albums. Anyways, there is no need to drag ARR or IR or any other MD whenever YSR is being criticized. The fact that you do that every time only shows what YOUR intention is :-)

"And Yuvan has done 3 remixes in his 150+(??) songs, that fact will answer your remix myth."

3?
aasai nooruvagai, ennasai mydhiliye, kaNda naal mudhalaai, adiye manam nilluna-which ppl have discussed it here
http://www.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=3185

and 2 more songs of MSV in the upcoming Billa movie.
Thats already a total of 6 songs and several other rehashed tunes under the garb of original like the 7GRC rainbow theme(rehashed from Johny and so on). I might have even missed some. Theepdikka had some old songs remixed in. The fact is he does it more than any other top-echeleon MD

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Originally Posted by vijayr

When he had the opportunity to score a classical song in kaNda naaL mudhal he ended up remixing it

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actually I dont have the technical knowledge. but whats wrong with "kanda naal mudhalai" song??? I think it is very good song. it has carnatic feel in tune and has techno BGM. is there any rule like for carnatic tune, we should use only carnatic instruments?
if i am wrong, then point out.

p.s: yuvan also scored some outstanding carnatic based songs like "kana kanum kalangal" from 7GRC, "dheenda dheenda" from TI.

Then reagrding base classical knowledge,

IR oru interviewla sonnaru, yuvan ethuvume theriyathunnu kai vaippan. but ellame athula irukkum. thats yuvan.

in TFM, for people who want to degrade/criticise yuvan, they will drag remix in to picture.(yuvan only scored 3 complete remixes, 3 partial remixes in his whole carrier - 250+ songs. thats different story). They will forget yuvan's unbeliavable/memorable gems. anyway we also dont want yuvan's remixes now.

we hope that yuvan will put fullstop for this.

people, just for your kind information....

To do a remix song, its not being proposed by the Music Director but it is by the Film Director that applies to the script of the movie...

there is no need to blame Yuvan...

He is just doing his job and doing it best...

If people dont like remix then just dont listen to it...

In the end people will have to complain about different music directors composition, and the argument starts there again...

people, just for your kind information....

To do a remix song, its not being proposed by the Music Director but it is by the Film Director that applies to the script of the movie...

there is no need to blame Yuvan...

He is just doing his job and doing it best...

If people dont like remix then just dont listen to it...

In the end people will have to complain about different music directors composition, and the argument starts there again...

people, just for your kind information....

To do a remix song, its not being proposed by the Music Director but it is by the Film Director that applies to the script of the movie...

there is no need to blame Yuvan...

He is just doing his job and doing it best...

If people dont like remix then just dont listen to it...

In the end people will have to complain about different music directors composition, and the argument starts there again...

"actually I dont have the technical knowledge. but whats wrong with "kanda naal mudhalai" song??? I think it is very good song. it has carnatic feel in tune and has techno BGM. is there any rule like for carnatic tune, we should use only carnatic instruments?
if i am wrong, then point out. "

I said the song was a remix (of a an already existing carnatic composition) and not an original composition. Thats it. I didnt say anything was wrong or right with it. If you like that song maybe you should request YSR to remix more.

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Originally Posted by sentsbu1

people, just for your kind information....

To do a remix song, its not being proposed by the Music Director but it is by the Film Director that applies to the script of the movie...

there is no need to blame Yuvan...

He is just doing his job and doing it best...

If people dont like remix then just dont listen to it...

In the end people will have to complain about different music directors composition, and the argument starts there again...

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think about it... do u see other MDs does remix as much as YSR ??? what is so special in movies worked by YSR that needs Remix badly...??!! apadi parthal...the movie BOYS would need 80 % remix.... did we have any remix there?!!

its easy to blame the dirs on every aspect,but wut the md is good at,that is what the dir will ask for his movie... and if its the public's fav,then they somehow will make the song fit for the movie...

Seriously, remixes are reducing a lot of credibility out of yuvan........why cant he say a NO to the directors who demand it??? when he can demand a salary as much as ARR then i dont think he is any more a small guy in the industry.....

judge, y do u have to take refugee in IR whenever a finger is pointed at u1??? doesent u1 have his own compositions??? btw, ARR's comeback is pretty well set i guess.......judge, get ready for the ARR onslaught in 2007...... 8-)

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Was just wondering if you gave the "kaNda nAL mudhal" type of comment when alaipAyudhE was released.

IMO, both alaipAyuthE and kaNda nAL didn't tamper the inherent beauty of the original numbers in any way.

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Was just wondering if you gave the "kaNda nAL mudhal" type of comment when alaipAyudhE was released.

IMO, both alaipAyuthE and kaNda nAL didn't tamper the inherent beauty of the original numbers in any way.

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FYI, we dont consider Alaipauthey song as his composition any day..........infact it was the last hit in that album below Yaaro yaarodi and evano oruvan.......

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Originally Posted by Shankar

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Was just wondering if you gave the "kaNda nAL mudhal" type of comment when alaipAyudhE was released.

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how does it matter? This discussion is about YSR, not ARR. In case you missed it, I have acknowledged that Alaipaayudhe had been reused just 2 posts back. But I dont find the need to drag ARR in every discussion of YSR, like how some guys like you are itching to do here.

Also Alaipaayudhe is a song that has been used as such without too much instrumental intrusion. Its mostly vocals with minimal accompaniment and no interludes. So Iam not sure if it can be even called a remix technically. Plus in Rahman's case,knowing that he is strictly against remixing(when SJ Surya asked him to remix thottal poo malarum, Rahman asked him to take a hike) I dont consider this as remixing but more of a faithful reproduction of the original,which even many older MDs have done(saamaja vara gamana, brova baarama, mahagaNapathim etc.) More of a direct tribute than remixing.