:thumbsup: the dream run continues.. still are there anybody who attributes this success to luck factor? yep.. there will still be a few and they will always be..right? :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by vanchi
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:thumbsup: the dream run continues.. still are there anybody who attributes this success to luck factor? yep.. there will still be a few and they will always be..right? :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by vanchi
Hamid, without taking away from Credit of Dhoni, Can Dhoni fans tell me how much of this series win can be attributed to Dhoni? This series has been below-par for Dhoni as captain, wicket keeper and batsman. He almost screwed india with his wicket keeping failures in the first test, poor captaincy in setting fields, and letting Australia off the hook while batting. In addition, poor form with the bat(which I will excuse). First test win was due to others' efforts and INSPITE OF Dhoni rather than because of him.
The second test was better but even here, the overall quality and efforts of the Indian team did it rather than anything special from Dhoni. This is in direct contrast to the previous tour where he outwitted Ponting and co. with his captaincy - and it was clear from the way Kumble failed to win in the two tests in charge but Dhoni did with the same team.
In short, I appreciate Dhoni's overall role as captain but to use this series to generally thumb the nose at Dhoni's critics is cynical. In this series, I'd really say that Dhoni was lucky to be the winning captain.
Again, I hope you take it in the right spirit - I have no personal agenda against Dhoni; if I had, I wouldnt have worked so hard with chatterjee on behalf of his team(not that the team wins because of my chatterjee but one does tend to stick to such superstitions, doesnt one and if I was against Dhoni, I'd probably have done the opposite chatterjee, whether it works or not. I mean, you really have to take my comments in the right spirit instead of attributing agenda)
Ofcourse, the decision to send at Pujara at #3 was a masterstroke and one definitely credits Dhoni for it. But overall, re-quoting iLayathilagam Prabhu, in this particular series, it was a case of Dhoni in being a OdaRa padam rather than Dhoni nadicha padam Odings.
To be precise, lucky doesnt mean that EVERY SINGLE ACHIEVEMENT has been achieved with luck.
When people say lucky, they perhaps think of situations like these where things fell in place for him rather than anything special done by him, but still people add it to his achievements.
This is what is called as "Success breeds success". Nobody will be stupid to say that everything achieved by Dhoni is luck. In short, people are merely questioning the hagiographic narrative rather than presenting a completely destructive narrative as an alternative.
Plum,
I hail the team effort than an individual.. thats the point.. I again and again say that Mahi has got the team together.. The atmosphere is terrific and the success is mainly because of us playing as Team rather than an individual.. I credit Dhoni and Gary for the same..
My post was not against you..and for that matter it is against the generic thought which was forced many times in past.. I do feel you got to respect Dhoni offlate and gives him some credit.. ( I havent read all posts here . but i feel I am right)
and I sincerely belived u wanted India to win.. am happy for that..thanks for the same :cool:
this is purely ur point of view, there are many people who still attribute "all" read again "all" team India success, which in turn is Dhoni's as well, to LUCKQuote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Right, if people want to believe that every single achievement of Dhoni is luck, then good luck to them, they'll end up with a lot of heartbreak and disappointments in Life :-)
I sincerely want him to succeed now considering the alternatives - Yuvi? Durby? :skull: ? Sehwag? Gambhir? - however he is overworked and this series really brutally exposed his limitations. He needs time to rethink on his strategies and a break to rejuvenate himself - some of his field settings were howlers really and neither run saving nor wicket taking.
As a batsman, again, he has been consistently a failure against Australia, which certainly dents the overall reputation as a batsman. At one point, I was thinking, he could be our #6 batsman, and India can groom Sreevats Goswami or someone or even Dinesh Karthik as a test #7 wicket-keeper. But I dont see that as an option now from what I have seen in this series.
As a keeper, I am not too concerned about his mistakes. I think it is just overwork that is causing the mistakes. He really needs to start saying NO to N Srinivasan and consciously reduce his workload. Unless BCCI stops scheduling stupid SL series and ad-hoc bangladesh tri-nations, Dhoni will be burned out sooner or later.
As a captain, again, he just needs to spend some time observing the opposition and clearly working out tactics in his mind. Honestly, I feel that he didnt have enough time to prepare for this series as a captain after the emotionally draining CLT20 win just two days before the series. Again, BCCI really needs to consciously avoid burnout. Look what CA is doing for Ricky and extending his career :sigh:
this series dhoni didnt perform well as a captain - hmm didnt notice much but i thought he was bang on with the bowling changes and field placings.....infact, to me the "defining moment" of the series were ishants' 3 wicket spell in mohali second innings and ishant-lax partnership - i think the credit for 1st one goes to Dhoni a lot.......sending pujara was just a logical decision - the captain dhoni is much beyond that.....
and keeper dhoni did miss a couple of chances but no keeper in the world read again no keeper in the world can effect dismissals like clarke's in the second innings in bengaluroo.......dhoni, the batsman was partially good - with his support role for sachin in bangalore and a suicidal run out but he was struggling throughout the series......
as of now, i would like to dismiss these mundane "dhoni is lucky", "dhoni is a coward" , "dhoni is not contributing, only team is winning on its own" arguements and rather take a serious look at the pressure he has been put to.....the grey hairs doesent augur well - im sure he is undergoing tremendous bit of stress which needs to be discussed and considered by the board.........he definitely needs a replacement in atleast one form of the game :)
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Originally Posted by MADDY
Captain Dhoni: God has made Sachin for cricket
- Satisfaction at beating a ‘good side’; praise for pujara
LOKENDRA PRATAP SAHI
http://www.telegraphindia.com/110101...y_13056465.jsp
Bangalore: Mahendra Singh Dhoni, the Team India captain, had an interaction with the media in general, on Wednesday afternoon, and then took some questions exclusively from The Telegraph.
The following are excerpts
Whether the seven-wicket win over Australia is the most memorable in the two years that he has been the Test captain
Can’t pick one ahead of the other... The same goes for ODIs... But the fact is that Australia are a good side.
Reflecting on the Chinnaswamy victory
By losing tosses I don’t help the bowlers... It wasn’t a turning track, but was slow and the balls kept low... The bowlers did a very good job... A target of 207 wouldn’t be seen as big, but a start was still needed. Had a few wickets gone early, then panic would’ve set in. The scorecard may suggest it was easy, but there was some tension and a bit of nervousness in the dressing room.
A clean sweep, 2-0
It’s easy when it’s a two-match series only... It could get difficult if it involves three or four Tests.
His first series win after marriage
(Laughs) Yes, hadn’t thought of it.
If wife Sakshi made a trip to the Chinnaswamy
I did ask her to come on one of the days, at least, but she preferred to stay in the hotel. We do talk cricket, but never in any detail.
Thoughts on Sachin Tendulkar, Man of the Match and the Man of the Series
What do I say? God has made Sachin for cricket... I can’t put it better... We know he’s so talented, but we must also appreciate the amount of work he has put in from such a young age... He continues to work so hard, doesn’t take anything for granted.
Areas he’d been looking to exploit
Wanted to put pressure on Australia’s middle order and the lower middle order.
Promoting debutant Cheteshwar Pujara to the No.3 position and dropping regular Rahul Dravid to No.5, on Wednesday
We (the team management) wanted an experienced player down the order, after Sachin at No.4... Had Rahul come at his usual position, then it would’ve been (the inexperienced) Suresh Raina and Pujara after Sachin... Also, we thought the Australians may be taken by surprise and attack Pujara, which they did... He got the chance to play his shots... Instead of feeling the pressure, Pujara took it up as a challenge.
Whether Pujara was given time to mentally prepare himself
He was told about it before we began our second innings... He was up for it. Of course, we (the team management) had a discussion in the morning itself.
Pujara making a mark on his debut
The good thing is that the younger players (too) are performing... Murali Vijay, for example, got past the 100-barrier... Pujara realised that if he performed today, it would be remembered. It’s a learning curve for everybody.
Australians getting a taste of their own medicine — seeing the opposition chase down the target rather comfortably
Well, we got partnerships going... That was needed.
[Vijay and Pujara put on 72 for the second wicket, the third wicket partnership between Pujara and Sachin was worth 57 and, then, Sachin and Dravid took India to victory with an unbroken stand of 61 for the fourth wicket.]
Crowd support at the Chinnaswamy
Support helps and the crowd was remarkable... That’s why, as a token of our appreciation, we did a lap of honour... We’re used to playing in front of 30,000-40,000 fans in the ODIs and in the IPL and we’d like the same support in Tests... One needs motivation... We’re like performers in a circus, but the circus must be full... (Laughs) This should be taken in the right sense, though.
Whether India can dominate Test cricket like Australia did till recently
Would depend on one basic — playing good cricket... It would be nice if we could have a bigger pool of fast bowlers and spinners to pick from.
Finally, on the ODI series, which begins on Sunday
Australia and India are the top teams... Both, however, have rested some of the big players... It should be interesting.
I agree. I personally feel that if this yardstick applies to each and everyone in their respective fields, then it's fine. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
If it applies only to Dhoni, as a neutral I won't accept it.
:shock: Well, we can replace Ponting(as captain) with the bold word IMO!Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
I haven't seen any Indian Captain or any other Captain for that matter making some great master strokes(decisions) :)
ippO enna, nAn Chatterjee-la periya thillAlangadi illainu solRingaLA? sari ogay! ;-) :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaustin
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i meant, people talk like that - even in HUB we had such comments and im sure still many have that comment in their mind........i dont agree to it - as u said, Dhoni has made some remarkable decisions and seems to be getting basics right which has been neglected for so long.......without a dhoni, i dont think such excellent players and support staff can be used to their potential :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dhakshan
Yea! I was shocked to see these kinds of comments (by others, of course).. Dhoni was the one who formed this team.. Even other Captains had this kind of team, but wasn't very successful.. Most of the time, all hav the resource, but making use of the same is the real challenge (same is applicable to IPL team too) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
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Congrats to MSD for winning his 50th ODI match as captain. :clap:
oh yeah, just heard he is just below Azhar and Ganguly and has lot of time to go to beat them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
nethu ravi sashthri commentary-la sonnathu apdiye solreenga... ;)
And his winning % is higher than sourav & azhar.
He can easily beat Azhar and Ganguly.
Ganguly Ok, konjam short and not heavy built. Azhar vaatta saattamaa iruppaar, avarayum Dhoni easiyaa adichiduvaaraa? :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
yA, Azharukku vayasaiduthOlliyO?
Besides, avar kAsu vAngittu vEra thOppAr?
vaasthavamdhaan!
Old but good one..
http://strat.in/2009/08/dhoni-leadership-style/
kickass articleQuote:
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
we have been dreaming for long, but Dhoni is a dream come trueQuote:
While Sreesanth and Yuvraj danced to the crowds and Sehwag and Harbhajan played to the gallery, Dhoni was a picture of calm and composure. A simple smile on his face. Acknowledging the cheers of the crowds.
Great leaders have a sense of perspective. No achievement is small. And yet no achievement is larger than life. Everything should be put in perspective.
MSD needs a brk..he is playing non stop cricket for too long now..WCkku thevai...rest kudukalame...sehwag,sachin,baji ellarukkum restna y not dhoni :evil:
http://cricket.yahoo.com/cricket/new...honi-20101027/
India is gifted to have such a captain!!!
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Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
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Originally Posted by Riyazz
:bow: @dhoni's humbleness!Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
http://cricket.rediff.com/report/201...uper-kings.htm
CSK ke vera thread irukannu thedi parthen, kedaikala.
Thanks Ajay!!
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/con...ry/486070.html
Moving on to your relationship with Dhoni. He is possibly the most important player in the side. He seems like someone who leads by instinct. What kind or relationship do you share with him?
Yes, he does lead by his gut feel. He has got very instinctive ideas on the game. He has been absolutely critical to the success of this team. He is a calming influence. He does not get overly emotional through success and failure. He expects individuals on the field to be able to perform and that is team management's responsibility to make sure that we have prepared them in such a way that they are ready to perform. We have a strong trust relationship. We have not had a cross word in three years because we have a lot of respect for each other. We do have difference of opinions and we discuss them If we are undecided on something, we will ask some of the players their thoughts and come to a decision. He is an incredible captain in terms of the way he has the feel for the game. I have not seen many in the world have the flair for the game like he does. One thing you would have noticed in his two years as captain of the Test side specifically is that how the seamers have grown to play a massive role in this team. They have got as many wickets as the spinners have got on flat wickets because he uses the seamers cleverly at various times in the game. He brings them into the game all the time. They are never spending two sessions out in the field just fielding after bowling fiver overs early on.
Does his spontaneity scare you at times?
He does things sometimes that I might do it differently, but I certainly trust him with his decision-making. I have always believed that when it comes to strategy there are many ways to skin a cat. And that is where MS is very good - he will often think left field, think creatively about something, to achieve results. I am very mindful of the fact that it is not my way that is necessarily the right way. :thumbsup: There might be another way that could be the right one, too.
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Dhoni thittradha ellam paathu summa irukkaadhinga, Annan-a bash in any form panna pls inform me - i'll come to this section and reply............