IR's New albums - Ver 2008/2009

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Originally Posted by equanimus

Raagas,
Raajkamal Films didn't produce 'nammavar.' Off the top of my head, Raaja didn't score the music for 3 Raajkamal films. 'kuruthippunal', 'chaachi 420' and 'naLa dhamayanthi.'

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Add Pushpak to it. Pushpak was done by V.L.Narasimhan.
Infact long time associate of Raaja - Balumahendra too had to forego Raaja in Sandhya Raagam which was again done by V.L.Narasimhan.
I guess both cases, the movie's budget was too small to accomodate full sized Raaja sound (then).
Now the reason why Raja is not a part of Kamal or Balu movie (if) it should be read only that the subject is light and doesn't require Raaja.
My friend who is a dir told me that now the trend is - if the story is heavy and requires some uplifting - enunciation through music - the director doesnt think twice before heading towards Prasad studio.

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

My friend who is a dir told me that now the trend is - if the story is heavy and requires some uplifting - enunciation through music - the director doesnt think twice before heading towards Prasad studio.

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Small question - how do they find out whether the story is "heavy" or "light"? :-)

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Originally Posted by app_engine

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

My friend who is a dir told me that now the trend is - if the story is heavy and requires some uplifting - enunciation through music - the director doesnt think twice before heading towards Prasad studio.

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Small question - how do they find out whether the story is "heavy" or "light"? :-)

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May be by the weight of paper!!! (Remember the scene from "vellithirai" How tough it was for prakash raj to xerox the story cos it was a heavy story :lol: )

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

Add Pushpak to it. Pushpak was done by V.L.Narasimhan.
Infact long time associate of Raaja - Balumahendra too had to forego Raaja in Sandhya Raagam which was again done by V.L.Narasimhan.

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Jaiganes,
'Pushpak' was not produced by Kamal. It was originally produced by Mandakini Chitra Pvt. Ltd. and then released in various languages (!). And L Vaidyanathan scored the music for the film. Not V S Narasimhan. L Vaidyanathan did the score for 'sandhyA rAgam' as well.

மகேஷ் என்பவர் நன்றாக (விளம்பர படங்களில்) இசை அமைக்கிறார், அவரை நம்மவருக்கு அணுகிப்பாருங்களேன் என ராஜாவே கமலிடம் யோசனை தெரிவித்ததாக ஒரு முறை கமல் பேட்டியொன்றில் சொன்னதாக ஞாபகம்.

ஒரு முறை ராஜாவிடம் "காலத்தால் அழிக்க முடியாத பாடல்களை கொண்ட படங்களில் நடித்த கமல், ரஜினி போன்றோர் தற்போது ஏன் உங்கள் இசையில் படம் செய்வதில்லை" எனக் கேட்டபோது, "இந்தக் கேள்வியை என்னிடம் கேட்பதற்கு பதில் அவர்களிடமே கேளுங்களேன்" என பதில் அளித்தார். இந்தப் பேட்டி ஆ.விகடனில் பல வருடங்களுக்கு முன்பு வாசித்ததாக ஞாபகம்.

மாற்றங்கள் வருவது இயல்பு. நல்ல பல பாடல்களை எம்.எஸ்.வி கொடுத்திருந்தும், ராஜாவை ஸ்ரீதர் தேர்ந்தெடுத்ததை விடவா ஒரு மாற்றம் இருக்கமுடியும்?

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Originally Posted by equanimus

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

Add Pushpak to it. Pushpak was done by V.L.Narasimhan.
Infact long time associate of Raaja - Balumahendra too had to forego Raaja in Sandhya Raagam which was again done by V.L.Narasimhan.

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Jaiganes,
'Pushpak' was not produced by Kamal. It was originally produced by Mandakini Chitra Pvt. Ltd. and then released in various languages (!). And L Vaidyanathan scored the music for the film. Not V S Narasimhan. L Vaidyanathan did the score for 'sandhyA rAgam' as well.

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my bad.
sorry for factual inaccuracies- but the point is that Raaja has not been hogging on his friends to cast him as MD in every one of their films.

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Originally Posted by eagle

To kamal association raaja has already become a thing of past. here's the man once declared to no Rajkamal banner movie would be released without the music of raaja. You cant blame him either, in the past he used to cite commercial compulsions... now Rahamn had won oscars he is sure like to work with him as that will enable him to realize his own oscar dreams...

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Originally Posted by eagle

crajkumar_be,
Thanks for timeline you provided without which i simply cant manage. Let me make one thing clear my post was not against kamal anyway.

It was kamal's statement about atleast having raaja in his home productions if not in all his movies even before Rahman made entry to films.

So dont try to be too smart ok va. 8-)

One more thing the relationship between kamal - IR or Rajini - IR is beyond the commercial aspect which time and again they proved it.
Instead of spending time on reeling out the statistics i wish you read the post properly.

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Eagle,
The reply is well deserved for the bolded part of your post.
"Acting smart' ellam illai :)

pushpak composer is l vaidyanathan

yup - but my point is diferent - it is not as if every monumental piece of Kamal or Balu has Raaja behind it even in the days he was numero uno. So please stop attributing motives behind such things when there exists none.

Balu Mahendra - Azhiyaadha Kolangal was with Salilda. Kokila in Kannada wasnt IR. He even did Keeravani in Telugu, if I am not wrong.
Kamal also similarly. IR has done hundreds of films without Kamal, btw :-)

Betrayal is something IR/Kamal have to worry about, they are the friends not us - idhellam..well..how to put it..sappa matter - let's not break our heads over it

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

but the point is that Raaja has not been hogging on his friends to cast him as MD in every one of their films.

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Of course I completely agree, Jaiganes. I've said this here before too, these sort of accusations directed at people who cherish their association with Raaja just because they also work with other composers on and off, not only disparage these filmmakers but Raaja even more so, as the implicit assumption is that Raaja can't ever help but feel wronged about the "breaks" in their association.

What I observe is this..
Raaja wants to reinvent himself by working with new and young creators who approach him with some good (what I would call heavy - your heart should feel heavy when Raaja applies that cello) subjects. It is his way of staying young. In this process he takes a lot of risks and a reason why projects like Dhanam, Konji pesalam and ponmegalai happen. While we fans lament the fate of those projects, I still remember a discussion with my friend on seeing the poster of 'Akilan' directed by some new guy 'Bala' with raja's music - what happened later is a stuff of legends. It is his approach though inexplicable and leading to a waste of musical genius (perceived by some among us) is what has opened doors for new musical voices to emanate from Raja post 2000. It might not yield uniformly great results - but it sure has left a doorway open for something great to happen. Many a young talent still dreams of one film with IR and his 'Ayya voodu thorandhu dhaan kedakku' (open door policy to any newcomer) policy - strange as it many seem to many has its share of pleasant merits.

Looks like Raja and family has accepted that somebody else has taken the mantle and they've been reduced to one among the crowd. Time is brutal when it comes a full circle. If only IR was a bit down to earth and more accomodative.

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Originally Posted by ramk1

Looks like Raja and family has accepted that somebody else has taken the mantle and they've been reduced to one among the crowd. Time is brutal when it comes a full circle. If only IR was a bit down to earth and more accomodative.

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So IR and family attended the ARR felicitation function and by doing so, have become one among the crowd ?? what kind of logic is that can you please explain ?

@ramk1 - There is a big line - neenga konjam vysar anna kitte token vaangittu vaanga.

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Originally Posted by ramk1

If only IR was a bit down to earth and more accomodative.

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Whats your alternative version of history had IR been more accommodative ?

1. Rahman entry could have been delayed few more years had he been accommodative with Mani.

2. He could have scored more movies may be another 100....

3. All the leading directors would be working with him till now.

Tell me, does any of the above said points makes him a lesser composer than he actually is?

He still stands tall above anyone...A legend in his lifetime with millions of fans are not overtly worried about his accommodative spirit...

"@ramk1 - There is a big line - neenga konjam vysar anna kitte token vaangittu vaanga."
:-)

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus...0903051121.htm

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Originally Posted by ramk1

Looks like Raja and family has accepted that somebody else has taken the mantle and they've been reduced to one among the crowd. Time is brutal when it comes a full circle. If only IR was a bit down to earth and more accomodative.

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As a very fortunate guy who got the chance of hovering around Prasad studios for many years I have many a times wished this man played down his modesty earthiness and act a bit tough when people simply walked away,expoliting his humility like water from the public tap.Everyone from Rajni,kamal to Ramki and Saravanan were given treaure trows of music..sometimes free of cost..even while working on 15 projects simultaneously in 4 languages.Few years ago a man came and asked Kalyanam sir for an appointment with Ayya..he was planning a movie named MAAMIYAR VEEDU.Inside the studio discussions on Suresh Productions new telugu movie directed by B.Gopal were going on.The future producer was not allowed inside by Kalyanam sir.A week later i saw Saravanan and a few others,all dressed up for Maamiyar Veedu recording.When I asked Kalyanam sir he gave me a wry smile and said 'as usual the producer shed a few tears and now the recording expenditure is in Raajas account'.If Ayya went on doing what a normal music director would have done a collabration between Indias most prolific and internationally acclaimed director after SJ Ray,the great Adoor Gopalakrishnan wouldnt have happened...instead hed be sitting near the harmonium trying to cope with demands for Mayya Mayya and Ulaga Nayakane..

rajaalltheway - thanks for sharing that. Inge pala peru, humilityku oru textbook definition vechirukainga. MCC coaching manual maadhiri. MCC Coaching manual padi paartha Sehwag-ellam batsman-e kidaiyadhu. Adhu maadhiri dhaan IR is arrogant-nuradhum. Manidhar unarndhu kolla....

rajaalltheway - pls check ur PM pls

Maamiyaar veedu had awesome BGMs- saravanan and selva - it was a gritty story about two convicts trying to recover from a life of crime with fatal results. The movie If I am right was directed by the same guy who directed Chinna thaayyee - that was another unnoticed good movie of the time.

Guys - thanks for ur responses. Having followed IR related news and his career for so long, i simply cudn't digest him standing at a place where he shud've been the main focus of. The world shud've given a standing ovation to the intricacies in his music. If that has happened i wud've simply been pleased. Ok regardless of the oscars or any other award, if he had raised his musical output in the non-filmy area as he did during the early 90's i wud've been happier. I know many of us IR fan's are going to differ with me, but my anguish is something which u all inherently have. There is no denying in that.

Gulzar's interview for Screen:

http://www.screenindia.com/news/full-circle/430313/

Quoting the portion where he mentions IR:

"Trends and times, as you rightly say, dictate even innovation.
True. Pancham then could not break the mukhda-antara structure, but he weaved in the Bengali tradition - sanchaari - by adding verses in-between in place of interludes in some songs. For a children’s song in my Kitaab, Pancham had even played on tables of different heights instead of the tabla. Similarly the way Rahman uses the sarod or the guitar is so different from the way others use them.

But having said that, and with all due respect to Rahman, there are other music directors today who are also hugely talented, like Vishal Bhardwaj, with whom I am doing completely different music scores in Kaminay and Ishqiya and Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy. Then there is Ilayaraja, with whom I had a great time reuniting 25 years after Sadma in the forthcoming film SRK. "

thanks,

Krishnan

Wonderful Photo gallery

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/...photosxml.aspx

THEY ARE ALL WONDERFUL. VERY HAPPY.
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good to see all three brahmas of Thamizh film music. - chance A illai.

Ilayaraja in Amir's Kannapiran !! :D

http://www.koodal.com/tamil/movies/h...-in-kannapiran

Cheers
MSK

what happened to the highly active thread "attack on ilayaraaja cos arr got oscar..." all of a sudden its gone...any reason? :?

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Originally Posted by eagle

what happened to the highly active thread "attack on ilayaraaja cos arr got oscar..." all of a sudden its gone...any reason? :?

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adhaane? enna aachu? :(

CR, theriyalai. I saw a post by you quoting Rahman's "dholak and harmonium" statement. Pala maasama, IR character-ai kevalam ezhudhina post pottappo ellam, thread bathirama irundhudhu. Rahman-oda quote which shows him in slightly negative light(not in my eyes, I can understand where he is coming from in that quote - but in the eyes of "humility fanatics") potta vudane, the thread is gayab, hoithu, poye poche :-)

Mods

Why did you remove the "attack" thread?

@sanjeevi and others - freeya vidunga
IR, ARR and MSV made that thread completely irrelevant - they simply showed the world that when it comes to music they are all the sruthis and swaras making upt he music world - comparing one versus the other and trying to politicise is the work of shameful slanders who must be holding themselves in shame after the felicitation event.

new albums...new albums...new albums...

I am dying to listen to new albums... Any news!!!!!

pazhassi raja should be on its way...
SRK also must be having a musical release soon.
I somehow have a feeling that a non-film album is on the cards.. something minimalistic and carnatic...

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

I somehow have a feeling that a non-film album is on the cards.. something minimalistic and carnatic...

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Let your mouth be filled with sweets and sugar :)

touchwood!

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

SRK also must be having a musical release soon.

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Any link confirming the same? Or, you are saying/hoping this because of the recent IR-Gulzar news items that popped up recently? But yes, even I wish for the quick release of SRK audio, especially since its IR-Gulzar combo.

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

I somehow have a feeling that a non-film album is on the cards.. something minimalistic and carnatic...

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Have I missed something in the forum? I mean, there was not even a rumor about this in the forum. So, I am wondering.

thanks,

Krishnan

What about mayilu?

some time back I saw an advt.

PAY DIRT!! renowned Los Angeles based journal FILM SCORE MONTHLY reviews and profiles Maestro.Ilaiyaraaja's music!!!

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6175/An-"Unknown"-Indian-Film-Music-master/

Highlight: "It is quite clear that Ilaiyaraaja’s respect is well-warranted. His music is immediately engaging, with a popular sensibility that gives way to detailed construction upon further exploration. Working with a variety of synthetic production, live orchestra, and fabulous singers and Indian music instrumentalists lends the music a unique quality that one discovers is part of the style of this composer. Here is someone who has discovered a way to fuse musics from multiple periods both East and West to create a sound that serves each subsequent film. There is much of the composer’s music to be explored and even with the language barrier that ultimately exists, the music is immediately communicative and often entrancing."

Hip Hip Hurray!