Raja's Gems - the latest one you heard...Part 3

Plum,

Agree with you about the usage of Hariharan probably from the BO angle and also about the film being 'manufactured melodrama'. Somehow while I can understand the brain behind the songs, I can't really relate to them much. Not because of the dark tone or anything but more due to Hariharan's voice I think. (I do love 'rodaoram paatu onnu kekudha' which was even darker but Yesudas voice suited it well.) If I am not mistaken, Kasi has an equivalent Kannada version in which Udit Narayan has sung (probably the first time for Raja). The movie name was 'Ramu'.

Kaasi is it? I remember only thinking that the voice did not suit Vikram's piteous character or for "Maanu Tholu" (HH is not very convincing for folkish tone)and looking forward to a heart-rendering piece sung by IR himself....it could have been "Puniyam Thedi".

Though "Aathorathile Allamaram" is my favourite from the album.

Though there might be some disappointment about the choice of singer, the album itself worked for me.

"Vel Muruganukku Motta Onnu Podapporen Doi" - Puyal Paadum Paattu
:raajaangam: :notworthy:

past two days have been spent with MogaMuL...
1. நெஞ்சே குருநாதரின் - எம்.ஜீ.ஸ்ரீகுமாரின் இனிய குரலில் வரும் இந்த பாடல் என் அபிப்ராயத்தில் இந்த படத்தின் சிறந்த பாடல். கற்ற வித்தையை கடைப்பொருளாக விற்க நேர்ந்த துயரத்தைப்பாடலாக வடித்து அதற்கு அருமையான இசை பொழிந்துள்ளார் இசைஞானி. சீடன் குருவையும்,கற்ற இசையறிவின் மேன்மையையும் "புழுதியில் எறிந்த வீணை" என்னும் நிலையை கடிந்து, அதே சமயம் தன் கையலாகாத நிலையையும் உணர்ந்து பாடும் இந்தப்பாடல் திரை இசை என்றில்லாமல் தமிழிசை என்னும் வகைக்கே பெருமை சேர்க்கும் அற்புதமான பாடல். இதில் என்னைக்குறிப்பாகக்கவர்ந்தது, தபேலாவும் மிருதங்கமும் இணைந்து அமைத்துள்ள தாளலயம். எங்கு தபேலா முடிகிறது, எங்கு மிருதங்கம் எழுகிறது என்பதைத்தெளிவாக உணர முடியாத ஒரு இனிய தாள அமைப்பு. எம்.ஜீ.ஸ்ரீகுமாரின் குரல் பாடலின் பாவத்துக்கேற்ப கரைகிறது, உருகுகிறது, உணர்வால் பொங்கிப்பெருகுகிறது.

2. சொல்லாயோ வாய் திறந்து - ஜானகி குரலிலும், ஸ்ரீகுமாரின் குரலிலும், வெளிப்படையாக விரகத்தையும் அது சார்ந்த இறைவனையே கணவனாக வரிக்கும் ஆண்டாளின் பக்தி பாவத்தைக்குறிக்கும் இருபொருள் படும் விதமாக அமைந்த அற்புதமான பாடல். இளையராஜா எனும் கலைஞன் தன் பின்நவீனத்துவத்தை வெளிப்படுத்தியிருக்கும் பல்வேறு படைப்புகளில் இந்தப்பாடல் தலையாய ஒன்று என்று நான் கருதுகிறேன். "அலைபாயுதே கண்ணா", "இன்பக்கனா ஒன்று கண்டேன்" போன்ற பாடல்களின் கருத்துச்சாயலில், தன் சிந்தனை கொண்ட ஒரு புதிய பாட்லை தனக்கேயுரிய புதிய பாணியில் தன் கற்பனைகளைக்கொட்டி வார்த்துள்ளார் இசைஞானி.
தமிழிசை பாடகர்கள் இந்தப்பாடலை தனி கீர்த்தனையாக மேடையில் பாடுதல் அவர்கள் திறமைக்கு சிறப்பு சேர்க்கும்.

தேன்குடத்தில் மூழ்கிச்சாகும் வண்டென எனை சுகித்துக்கொல்லும் ஒரு இசைத்தொகுப்பு "மோகமுள்"!!! இதைத்தந்த இசைஞானிக்குக்காலத்திற்கும் நன்றி!!

That was namma preethiya ramu. I found udit's'songs more likeable than hariharan - :ashamed: - although they still were to the left of 0 in the axis

சில இடங்களில் மாற்றுக்கருத்துக்களை பதிவு செய்தே ஆகவேண்டும் என்பது கட்டாயமாக்கப்படுகிறது.

காசி பாடல்களில் ஹரியின் குரல் மெய்யாலுமே கிராமிய மணத்தை தந்தது என்பதை காசி வெளியான காலக் கட்டத்தில் குறைந்தது மூன்று வருடங்களுக்கு புறநகர் பகுதிகளில் மரவட்டையாக ஓடிக்கொண்டிருந்த ஆம்னி பஸ்களில் இந்தப் பாடல்கள் ஓயாமல் தொடர்ந்து ஒலித்துக்கொண்டிருப்பதை குறிப்பாக காவிரி டெல்டா பகுதிகளில் கண்கூடாக பார்த்திருக்கிறேன். உன் உதட்டோர சிவப்பு (1996), ரோசாப்பூ சின்ன ரோசாப்பூ (1997) - இந்த இரு பாடல்களில் மூலம் அவரது குரல் நுழையாத பட்டி தொட்டிகளேயில்லை என்றிருக்கையில் ஹரி கிராமியப்பாடலுக்கு ஏற்றவர் அல்ல என ஒரு பகுதியினர் ஓரங்கட்டுவது, முழுப் பூசணிக்காயையும் சோற்றில் மறைக்கும் வேலை.

அங்கங்கே ஓரிரு பாடலில் வலம் வந்த ஹரிஹரனுக்கு முழுப் படத்தையும் அர்ப்பணித்து பாடல் வழங்கிய ராஜாவுக்கு கோடி நன்றிகள். முழுவதும் ஒரே ஒரு பாடகர் என்பதெல்லாம் ஒரு கொடுப்பினை. அந்த விதத்தில் அருமையான ஒரு ஆல்பத்தை வழங்கிய ராஜாவிற்கு ஹரி நிச்சயம் கடமைபட்டவர்.

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Originally Posted by Plum

What I am trying to say is while Bala's Sethu clearly set out to drive the director's vision of cinema, Kaasi seemed to be Vinayan's attempt to manufacture and box-office-ise melodrama. IMO, IR seems to have understood this dichotomy well, and scored accordingly.

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சேதுவில் இடைவேளைக்குப் பிறகு வரும் எங்கே செல்லும் இந்தப் பாதை, வார்த்தை தவறி விட்டாய் பாடல்களின் மூலம் பாலா முயற்சித்ததும் ஒரு விதத்தில் melodrama தான். என்னைப் பொறுத்தவரை பாடல்களே இல்லாமல் பார்ப்போரின் உணர்ச்சிகளை கையாள்வதுதான் நீங்கள் சொல்கிற "the director's vision of cinema". மூன்றாம் பிறை, காதல் படத்தில் வரும் கடைசி முப்பது நிமிடங்கள் போல.

2 gems i heard this morning ..

one old one - Araro pAda vanthEne AvAram poovin senthEne (raja version) -- from the film poruthathu pothum.
a new one - Onnukonnu thunai irukkum - from the film nandalala

These 2 songs will pacify and cool you no matter what poor situation your life is in. :)

...Shining proof that IR's class and command is permanent irrespective of his age.

The last Raja song I heard is a candidate for the 'Loony funky Raja' thread. This wild.
wacky song got eclipsed by mellifluous melodies like"thendral vandhu ennai thodum",
"kaNNane nee vara ", "kavidhai paadu kuyile kyile" from the same film.OK Iam referring to
"yemmaa andhi mayakkamaa". Malaysia Vasudevan's "over the top" singing and the cringe worthy lyrics didnt help it either. I say this one begs for the calibre of SPB . Groovy
guitar and beats all over . The prelude distortion guitar gives a rock like feeling only
to sink when Malaysia Vasu begins to take on. Listening to the guitar "sithu velai" in the 2nd bgm is definition of the much maligned word "offbeat"

nenjukkul poo manjangal
nee itta neram
kannil sonnaale kaadhal kattalai
en devi...........devi .......papapapa...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPiWYsiycIY

what a classy song!!

thumburu,

Love that song.

Narayanan,

Thanks for introducing this song. Haven't heard it earlier. Lovely song.

:ty: @ Vel for "Nandalala", it's often too easy to escape into the past genius of IR and take for granted that he is still composing...TZP (childish/innocent/playful) feeling with more of a tragic touch...not just being misunderstood but lost/distanced/wistful...

-Mella Oorandhu Oorandhu...what odd sounding words...like caterpillar crawlings...playful yet subtely tragic all the same

-Onnukkonnu... heart-breaking each time KJ sings "Anbu onnu than aanathaeyaa" affection, orphaned...:sigh2:

-Ooru Vaadham Kootamae :swinghead:- IR with group song...very cute...IMO director has lovely opportunities to make this song full of visually heartwarming scenes...mid bgm string instrumental (?) with windpipes :cool2:

-Thaalattu - classical IR sorrow....a yearnful voice, wrenching lyrics, cannot help but tug at your heartstrings....

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.ph...R00744&lang=en

Autoraja pick: "Malare"...deep-voiced SPB with that little ironic laugh...

Even with "Thumbi Vaa" version with IR and Janaki...my vote still goes to "Malare"....as much as I would love to say great version...I still am held in the original's hold...this version just doesn't work for me :(

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer...lang=undefined

Querida,

I am not sure if 'Malare' is by Raja. From what I remember only the 'sangathil' song was composed by Raja. 'Malare' definitely doesn't have the Raja signature. Infact in some places in the charanam, you can hear the Rajan Nagendra signature. ("nee enge naan enge" is how one Rajan Nagendra song which was later copied in Hindi film "Deewana" ends.)

Listened to the songs of 'mOgha muL' (most of them for the first time).

Terribly underwhelmed by MGS :-(

OTOH, KJY has two great numbers! For classical numbers in movies, none can come anywhere closer to him!

I've got another first-time-listen in "nee pournami" of oruvar vAzhum Alayam.

What a song!

There's another great number 'pallaviyE saraNam' (semi-classical again, by SPB-SJ)!

Interestingly, I went to thiraippadal for this album at my wife's request for 'malaiyOram mayilE' and got such a wonderful treat by KJY/SPB/SJ!

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:ty: @ Vel for "Nandalala", it's often too easy to escape into the past genius of IR and take for granted that he is still composing...TZP (childish/innocent/playful) feeling with more of a tragic touch...not just being misunderstood but lost/distanced/wistful...

-Mella Oorandhu Oorandhu...what odd sounding words...like caterpillar crawlings...playful yet subtely tragic all the same

-Onnukkonnu... heart-breaking each time KJ sings "Anbu onnu than aanathaeyaa" affection, orphaned...:sigh2:

-Ooru Vaadham Kootamae :swinghead:- IR with group song...very cute...IMO director has lovely opportunities to make this song full of visually heartwarming scenes...mid bgm string instrumental (?) with windpipes :cool2:

-Thaalattu - classical IR sorrow....a yearnful voice, wrenching lyrics, cannot help but tug at your heartstrings....

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.ph...R00744&lang=en

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nice review querida

app_eng,

Luckily I have the CD of 'oruvar vazhum aalayam'. All the songs you mentioned as classics. Amazing numbers. 'nee pournami' especially.

The song 'Aruvi kooda' is another awesome song by KJJ. I don't know the movie. Any link pls

நான் கொடுத்தத திருப்பிக்கொடுத்தா
முத்தமாக்கொடு, அத மொத்தமாக்கொடு!
(Don't know who started this concept but it runs till enthiran - vasee & sanA does the same thing ; must be from very old days - ABC nee vAsi of OKD also has this loan business 'கொடுத்ததை திருப்பிக்கொடு, அது என்ன இலவசமா?')

Sweet song with pleasant guitar sounds and mesmerising Chitra voice! The saraNam portion is inippu without thikattal !!

(movie - mAveeran)

Also listened to ஒதுங்கு ஒதுங்கு by MV & kuzhu from the same movie.

What energy!

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The song 'Aruvi kooda' is another awesome song by KJJ. I don't know the movie. Any link pls

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oops... song not done by IR and is the one of rare songs (KJJ and SPB inainthu paadiavaigal)

http://mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=672

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Narayanan,

Thanks for introducing this song. Haven't heard it earlier. Lovely song.

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welcome suresh. it is from the movie saatai illadha bambaram.

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Querida,

I am not sure if 'Malare' is by Raja. From what I remember only the 'sangathil' song was composed by Raja. 'Malare' definitely doesn't have the Raja signature. Infact in some places in the charanam, you can hear the Rajan Nagendra signature. ("nee enge naan enge" is how one Rajan Nagendra song which was later copied in Hindi film "Deewana" ends.)

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Thank you Suresh for this bit of info, always glad to expand my knowledge :D

Regarding song from Deewana, were you perhaps referring to "Tere Dard Se Dil"?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPiWYsiycIY

what a classy song!!

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I too did not know this, but I love the melody and the rhythms....thanks for sharing.

Kamal songs - Picturisation - nanraga than irundhaganam.

BR padamaga irundhalum...

OKD - Nice album

ABC nee vasi - wat a flow.... Beautiful Humming.. Sweet Prelude...

Nice rendition of KJY and VJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSOpAa-lKkI

pon maanae

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us_2sZ_aiPs

NinaivellAm nithyA BGM score for a while. Reminds me of Kadhalukku Mariyadhai. Lovely pieces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNrqS...eature=related

IR's Madhyamavathi..... SJ... its enough..................

Endrendum Aanandhame form Kadal Meengal

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.php?ALBID=ALBIRR00243

The fusion in this song blows my mind. Also, the violin pieces are of the highest order. I love the violin following for the stanza lines. Incredible song...

Shank,

'Endrenrum Anandame' Amazing energy.

Was listening to 'va va pakkam vaa'. What drumming. The drummer (I guess it must be Puru) is enjoying himself here. Outstanding stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PfC1lbJPwQ


Unforgettable song...
The guitar riffs and the synth(keyboard) bass humming sets up the table for a virtual feast of all instruments imaginable, the song moves in all tempos . It is a veritable feast on a table with friends and family. Yesappu and Raasappu conjure up such magic that is beyond words. Awesome song and has Balu Mahendra done justice to this song or what? How I wish to be born as a single neuron in the cerebrum of the master ILaiyaraaja.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PfC1lbJPwQ


Unforgettable song...
The guitar riffs and the synth(keyboard) bass humming sets up the table for a virtual feast of all instruments imaginable, the song moves in all tempos . It is a veritable feast on a table with friends and family. Yesappu and Raasappu conjure up such magic that is beyond words. Awesome song and has Balu Mahendra done justice to this song or what? How I wish to be born as a single neuron in the cerebrum of the master ILaiyaraaja.

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Wow! Well said Jai!! Can I be another? What a composer!!

Many would have written about this song so many times, but just wanted to share my experience with this song.
I was listening to one of my favorite IR playlist named "Songs that made you laugh" (may be a title for another thread?). First song in the list is "Aattukutti Muttai Ittu".

This song always takes me back to my childhood days, whenever I used to visit my grandmother's house for every annual leave. Whenever this song was played on radio, we used to gather round and laugh. I never knew at that time who was the music director, but this song was a rage at that time right from we kids to our grand fathers.

I think this was among the first songs which broke all conventional tune, lyrics, singing, orchestration. Even we could hear buffalo and donkey in the song.

The song starts mesmerisingly with lazy guitar and MV's lazy humming.
ஆட்டு குட்டி முட்ட இட்டு
கோழி குட்டி வந்ததுன்னு
யான குஞ்சு சொல்ல கேட்டு
பூனை குஞ்சு சொன்னதுண்டு

The lyrics in charanam adds more fun compared to pallavi's lyrics.
கூத்து மேல ராசாவுக்கு ஏஅஹ்ஹ்
கூத்து மேல ராசாவுக்கு 102 பொன்டாட்டியாம்
102 பொன்டாட்டியும் வாது முட்ட பொட்டதுவாம்
பட்டத்து ராணி அதுல 18 பேரு
18 பேர்க்கும் வயசு 26
மொத்தம் 26

கிட்டப்பாவின் பாட்ட கேட்டேன்
சின்னப்பாவ நேரில பார்த்தேன்
கொட்ட கொட்ட வருகுதம்மா
சந்கீதம்மா பெருகுதம்மா

Hilarious lyrics!!
The second interlude has some nice flute and violin accentuated by buffalo's grunt. The percussion changes in the second charanam for the first two lines and changes again after that. What an improvisation.
Excellent singing by MV . When SJ joins the song, gets more interesting.

Again the hilarious ending with donkey's braying and with a end sigh of relief (absolutely amazing!). Not to forget the picturization of the song.

This song will never fade away from me!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwk-NXEq6vc

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PfC1lbJPwQ


Unforgettable song...
The guitar riffs and the synth(keyboard) bass humming sets up the table for a virtual feast of all instruments imaginable, the song moves in all tempos . It is a veritable feast on a table with friends and family. Yesappu and Raasappu conjure up such magic that is beyond words. Awesome song and has Balu Mahendra done justice to this song or what? How I wish to be born as a single neuron in the cerebrum of the master ILaiyaraaja.

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Wow! Well said Jai!! Can I be another? What a composer!!

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Youtube blocked :x Is this En Iniya / Poongatru (MP) / Raja Raja Chozhan? :)

rajarasigan,

It is 'Poonkatru'.

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

rajarasigan,

It is 'Poonkatru'.

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Suresh :) this is indeed the song of Orchestration from the man of Orchestration

rajarasigan,

I understand your enthusiasm for the song and share it. The only problem we have is that of plenty. It is very difficult to label any one of the songs as 'THE BEST' in any category. No wonder we Raja fans are a spoilt lot :)

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

rajarasigan,

I understand your enthusiasm for the song and share it. The only problem we have is that of plenty. It is very difficult to label any one of the songs as 'THE BEST' in any category. No wonder we Raja fans are a spoilt lot :)

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completely agree!! no second thought about it :D

today morning, I was listening to En Vaazhvile varum from TEO. He retained the second interlude (BM must have picturized the same way as tamil with the train lock). When we listen for the first time, we can't say that is a raja song. Of course, it was almost like a dubbed version..

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Originally Posted by raajarasigan

When we listen for the first time, we can't say that is a raja song. Of course, it was almost like a dubbed version..

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Yes, the Hindi version of 'poongAtRu' was so pathetic :-( I don't know what logic prompted BM/IR to change the original :?

Retaining the original 100% along with KJY would have given a phenomenal new experience to northies in 82/83 IMSO.
(Also, IMO, what BM-IR missed then was NOT missed by MR-AR after a decade).

Engae nee sendralum - Kannukulae

REal GEM.

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.ph...R00748&lang=en

Can one have 'thalai vAzhai ilai virundhu' on a cold parking lot in north america? On a windy winter morning?

Yes, if you're inside a car with engine switched off and listening to 'உன்னைத்தானே தஞ்சம் என்று நம்பி வந்தேன் நானே' (நல்லவனுக்கு நல்லவன்)!

It's like a text book for anyone who wants to compose a film song!