The story is based on Pandiya dynasty, it should be an interesting one!
The story is based on Pandiya dynasty, it should be an interesting one!
Motion Capture
Introduction :
Motion capture has roots starting from the 70's which was widely used in the military. Its normaly addressed as MOCAP. It has its own strengths and weakness - which I will not be covering here, neither will I talk about its origin keeping in mind the interest of the audience. We are interested in Kochadaiiyan and the MOCAP.
So, basically there are 3 types of mocap :
1/ Mechanical - The performer wears a gear (includes gloves, arms, helmet etc) where the imbedded structure is hooked to his back. It has its own limitations like position and pointing of the performer which degrades the calibrations and has a big drawback on the calculation of the rotations as there is no absolute position. What it means in simple sense is that - each and every movement must be pre-written, so that each position is defined and the performer must do the same action on the various positions he takes to globally capture a 3D (360°) movement.
2/ Optical - The performer wears reflective dots (markers) that are followed by several cameras. The information is then triangulated with the markers using the mocap technology innovators like Vicon (tools - Cara & Blade). Its uses the physics term "conducting" to capture the emittings or reflections. This method is more flexible than the Mechanical mocap as the performer is free to move without any cables attached to him. The main drawback are the dots (markers) - the performer has to be careful not to interrupt its transmissions, else, it would result in the failure of the capture for that particular body. In these cases the whole act has to be redone as there is no possible corrections if there is no image.
3/ Electromagnetic - The performer wears a set of magnetic receivers which tracks his position thru static magnetic transmitter. The major problem here is the restriction with respect to distance. The magnetism decreases when the distance increases. The technology improvement has produced wireless magnetic systems but still the performer has to wear a heavy and bulky suit. It can be noted here that it’s one of the basic and primary mocap which was used in the military.
There are sub categories for mocap, for exemple : biofeedback sensing which measures bodily movement from the heart, brain, retina, eyes, skin, and muscles extensively used in medical, sports & music (let’s not see all the various available ones as this post is already getting bigger)
How Motion Capture works :
In a full body motion capture, the performer is glued with sensors (markers) in selected places of the body. A collective set of markers are configured into segment bodies with respect to the performers weight, body structure and influence (degrees of freedom). The real-time movements of performers like blinking, breathing, hand gestures, or the secondary actions like walking, foot hitting the ground & all the minute movements associated with such actions are captured live. The most tedious part are capturing the expressions. The mocap technology used (like Vicon) has inbuilt program components which optimizes the capture of the expression making it look more interesting on screen. Finally you got the voice recognition systems which allow almost real-time synchronization of mouth movements with words. On real time capture it will be out of sync due to the lapse between movement’s capture and words (remember lightning strikes before thunder concept). So what they do is they store the sound in the audio banks for information and reproduce it (using Rasul Pookutti ... LoL) and mix it with the images. Here again they use the ancient methods of dubbing to correct the lags or put back the sync. These are 2 things talked about KSR in his interview. As the mocap is usually associated with movement and not sound waves, much attention should be given to the audio bank. If it goes missing or not recorded it would turns the whole situation upside down and I suppose you will not have another choice but reshoot that particular scene. This is why I was talking about the problems while corrections.
Kochadaiiyan connection (What I can come up with, keeping in mind the limited infos circulating about the making) :
Its Optical mocap. I would bet on the Vicon Capture Technology using Cara. Cara is designed to make motion pictures of any size to bring characters to life through advanced facial tracking and capture. It is well versed for producing high-quality character realism. Whereas Blade is its optimization. You could have seen the clips of making of the movie where the actors were roaming about in green suit with dots on their faces and something clipped before their face. So you have your Optical green suit, the markers and the camera. Using wireless technology the information triangulated between them is captured. And then using the softwares the audio bank is constructed simultaneously.
Synthesis
Mocap is nothing but capturing full body movements, facial expressions and tracking any movement of environmental objects connected in real-time. High accuracy 3D motion tracking are used to track the multitude of sensing every angle precisely and for high speed motions, 4-tracker system is used to continuous register calibration of the capture area thru sub-millisecond latency data output for perfect real-time capture.
This brief (Nov I again used this word ... just kidding) post is just a drop on mocap. Now we are all set to discuss about Kochadaiiyan without bringing in other movies as the only source of information.
The teaser gives some hope. I had absolutely given up on this movie long time ago.
Without going into too much details, thalaivar movie after 3 long years in itself is enuff!!
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Originally Posted by Lokee
oorukai , chicken kabab etc etc .. padam release anna perragu peasalam..
Official teaser has viewed by 1.25 Million views in a day+ hours....
Hubla psezahaya pagela padicha theirum... Chendramukhilam oothikichunu sonnanga....
Teaser is OK, at least we can get to see some kind of hope that the movie is going to be released soon within 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
Don't get it Params.. Chola Dynasty-na interesting-ah irukkaadhaa?
In addition, Ambulimama & bala mithra storoies are great to make as a movie for kids.
if so, then there is no point in releasing teasers/trailers for any movies..Quote:
Originally Posted by Thala_rasigan
besides, i was referring to the whole process of 7 years where the daughter just used rajini's name to get away with her laziness..
No bro, I did not mean it like that , Ayirathil Oruvan was "Primarily" based upon Chola dynasty, (though it had a pandian dynasty elements to it), so it would be interesting to see a story primarily based on Pandian dynsaty nu sonnEn that's all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinemarasigan
I'm not going to support each and every action of rajini and his family....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokee
What does it mean? I do not know what's the reason behind the delay....problems may include finance, technology, incapability to handle technology, poor project management skill, personal commitment...it could be anything...
I think the primary reasons could be finance and incapability to handle the project... but i'm sure for one reason... the teaser is better than SUltan-the warrior... I expect the movie will follow the same.
Legit comparison.. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Avadi to America
Vantha.. appuram pesalam :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilbert
I know "Exactly" where this discussion will end! :sigh2:
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Originally Posted by Avadi to America
The Way I looked at this whole Sultan / Koachadiiyaannnn Project was , it was Rajini's daughter's pet project. As a father he ok-ed his daughter's dream project period. Funding, schedule, technological challenges, More players like EROS, KSR getting involved all happened because of various factors like success of shivaji and enthiran and his health issues Rana got shelf-ed.
May be the whole team underestimated challenges , thinking just like our Indian offshore teams :). We can do anything and everything attitude without understanding what they are getting in to.
To make matters worse , Soundaryji went around claiming , this will be in- par with Bewolf (which was crude hollywood attempt using MO-CAP) compared to what they have done with this technology over the years. She created more buzz by involving some renowned western studios and making videos, I told people than it was immature and I am telling you now it is an immature marketing. So people had higher expectation from end product (maybe). I am not one of them :)
Knowing Indian standards , this end product will never be close to "International Quality". We lack basics things like Discipline, Creativity, Passion". I sincerely hope future generations come out of these boundaries and create something we are proud of.
This project is in right direction for creating a new market in Indian cinema. I am not sure whether this will be a 100% perfect product which will wow the audiences, that only time can answer.
All I (most RK fans) care is to see him on screen in some form.
A2A / Dilbert,
Yes, the problem could be anything. Given such a situation, I think Kochadaiiyan respected the TTM (time to market). Some "smoking smiley" poster exaggerated a bit pulling in the Sultan episode without knowing what to fish in which waters. That's a known syndrome when a person jumps from posting smileys to sentences.
I will not coin it as delay, but the time taken can be justified. As we don't have a proper data on the project execution, I would consider the lack of technology mastery playing a big factor. Secondly, the capturing part would have taken a while as its not the same type of screen-writing nor direction. Its a very demanding task for all the participants as "imagination" is the only clue given to them. Thirdly, the processing part which would have taken the most amount of time and as said by KSR each unit is placed around several corners of the world + one unit's final product is the next unit's initial requirement. So most of the units were paid to be on standby which shoots up the production cost. Add in the delay/errors which shudders down the project planning. Fourthly the major part is with the director to give in all the inputs to be integrated as the environment. Last but not least, coloring, corrections, music, RR and all. So the TTM is quite large and it would be interesting to see the road-map of the project, which we obviously can't.
If you take Sony, NaughtyDog or UBIsoft, they have their own technical team which could work round the clock for a year or 2 to bring out a final product. As a gamer, I followed few launch stuff through PS3 portal + followed the development of certain games. So I can see the delay when a project of this magnitude is taken up in India. Maybe Soundarya would open many doors for future aspects in TFI, but pathetically she got to take in all the criticisms too. I would support any director or film maker wrt illogical & personnel criticisms even though I am more towards the audience views.
In my POV a "lazy" director cannot even come out with a teaser and only a person who is "lazy" to understand could say au contraire.
project like this needs a lot more preproduction work than regular movies including story narration and visualization....If they had started to do work on this script only after thalivar got ill (as KSR claims). Then I do not want to comment on their preproduction plan. I'm not sure how many years of experience she has in the industry to direct a full length movie or animation/cartoon/3D movie set aside the rajini factor which demands more from any technician. If she really wants to immortalize her dad, she should have started smaller project (like prototype) to test the water in terms of technical capability, financial viability and market reaction etc.
Comparing each and every movie with Hollywood is like comparing recent movies BO performance with enthiran in TFI....the bench marker is not going to change, at least for the near future.... It is rubbish to talk our movies is reaching the standards of Hollywood. slogans like "If we have money we could do better". Money is secondary in the world. As dilbert mentioned, we as Indians fundamentally lag few things.
total no of official trailer views in a (day + hours) 1,573,217
KSR is no selvaraghavan... IMO, KSR will not delve much into pandya dynasty lifestyle, their conquests, politics etc., I am just expecting a neat commercial package with some good punches thrown into the scriptQuote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
where Selva showed the lifestyles of Chola dynasty? :huh: he showed totally a different culture...Quote:
Originally Posted by easygoer
yeah agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by easygoer
For whatever it's worth, here are my 10 observations (actually 11!) on Kochadaiiyaan, based on the teaser: http://j.mp/17OGKWn
NI media discusses the teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkgg...e_gdata_player
What are they saying? I dont understand hindiQuote:
Originally Posted by Avadi to America
The video just briefs us about Kochadaiiyan by repeatedly telling us that its first of a kind film in India/Asia. Then ofcoarse the dish of the era - "Avatar-&-Tintin-same-technology-sucess". A bit about Photo Realistic technique - don't worry much, they just explain it in the lines of how to insert a pen drive in a computer and copy the file from it to the hard drive. Finally they sign of by saying that even their superstar SRK flopped Ra1, but can the god of Indian Cinema make a change with Kochadaiiyan.
If you wish to know the exact word-by-word details, let me know I can do it for you this evening.
And in the begining : Md. Tarik ... LoL. pesikittey irrukumbothu ... chup chup-nu off panitanga ammani ... LoL
Provided that the movie would release surely, I foresee the following possible scenarios
1.The movie would come up with a great quality and not like teaser. (In this case, all the stake holders would be happy)
2. The movie would come up with a decent quality, may not be perfect but still worth to be called as passable effort.(In this case, the reception would be a mixed bag, but still the movie might coverup its costs)
3. The animation part may be average but still KSR's screenplay,dialogues and Rahman's music might save the show upto larger extent(In this case, movie might coverup its costs)
4. The animation might be very bad with good story & screenplay (Hard to guess, the move might fall on any way)
5.Both the animation part and story part might be average(Hard to guess, the move might fall on any way)
6.As dilbert mentioned, this movie might appeal to age group of 8-14 alone.(In this case, movie might coverup its costs, thanks to the family audience along with kids)
7.The movie would be bad altogether,including story, screenplay and animation(In this case, movie would be a complete disaster)
My assumption is that any Rajini movie with atleast something worth mentioning would attract larger audience. So scenarios (2) and (3) would be enough for the movie to have a decent run. Scenario (1) would ensure repeated viewing which in turn would increase the revenue largely.
I think, Scenario 1 is unlikely, I am hoping the movie would fall somewhere between scenarios (2) and (3) because the investors would be much more concerned about the ROI than us
I completely agree with the technological challenges and all the limitations including budget, director being a first timer, difficulties in understanding the technologies and effective usage of it etc.,but soundarya should be careful with her marketing statements
The better option available for the team is to first completely analyze the product, identify all the unique points of the movie, have a positioning statement that would list the unique points alone, hire a good PR professional and make the unique points alone prominent in all the communications, So that audience would atleast have an idea of what to expect from the movie
:) What I mean to say is KSR would not get into so much detailing about pandiyan dynasty. To the maximum, he would have written the glorifying story of a warrior. SR would not fit into this format and whether he depicted the exact culture of cholas or not is a different story...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinemarasigan
Very well put, easygoer.Quote:
Originally Posted by easygoer
don't wrorry, thanks for the explanation :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mappi
While the whole hullabaloo has been about the animations and its quality or the lack of it, people have conveniently forgotten the need for a good story and screenplay to back it up. I believe it is the single most important thing in a movie be it any genre. So hopefully the makers dont screw that up. The story from what I saw from the above posts sounds intriguing. So hopefully KSR and Soundarya have got their acts together on this.
As per me its little late for all this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by mappi
Exactly, I'm seriously more skeptic about the story and screen play than the technical work. Those Hollywood animation movies had great story and visuals. If movie do not have good story and screenplay, people feel irritating after few awful scenes (????)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arvind Srinivasan
PS. I'm just thinking about the prowess of KSR. "police Giri"....
What he directed police giri??Quote:
Originally Posted by Avadi to America
soundarya ashwin @sound_a_rajini 53m
2 million thanks for 2 million views :) !!! Will make sure to give u all a great trailer & movie . .. Need all ur support!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolicegiriQuote:
Originally Posted by Dilbert
it's the tamil remake of SAAMI.
teaser was on expected lines .. soundarya kitta irunthu expect panrathu evvalavu periya thappu .. she is tweeting as if she is super happy about the youtube views.. infact, she must be very worried abt the increasing views for this teaser..
and it was a big washout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avadi to America
Still, this is KSR's reunion with Rajni since Padaiyappa yes? We expect a racy movie then since duration is 124min.
Vangea Anban , yeappadi irrukengea? We (Rk Fans) seriously bank on supporters like yourself to make any RK movie a success. This is no different :). I am sure Soundaryaji would have taken your criticism with some Sambar and rice :) (I am feeling hungry now)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anban
How I wish
First round , with some chicken kabab, bangalore style briyani may couple of fish fries.
Second round, with white rice and sambar with chicken side dish
Third round white rice and rasam with some chicken kabab
I really miss India !!! :cry:
Since when did we start calling Superstar 'RK'? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilbert
There is one other actor in TN who goes by the name 'RK' :)
Since when did , we need to answer some new-bees and honey bees?Quote:
Originally Posted by CEDYBLUE