IR New Albums - Old responses (5 Aug 2006)

great to see Raja Giving us 2 albums back to back :) But I love 'Rasathanthiram' more than 'Pachakuthira' because it has that vintage raja touch in all songs.

Rasathanthiram songs are also available in cooltoad and here are the links for it
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243480
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243482
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243479
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243481
http://as01.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=243484

aatinkarayorathe, Poo KungumaPoo and Ponnavanipaadam are all great to listen. the tunes and orchestration takes us to late 80's and early 90's when he was churning out gem after gem in those Ramarajan, karthick and Prabhu's gramathu flicks. It seems after a long time Iam hearing Tabla rhythms in 'Poo kungumapoo' and I just Love it. Hope he gets back to tabla itself instead of the synths :)

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Originally Posted by vijayr

Looks like IR has lost interest in MFM too. It would be safe to change this threads's title to "IR's old albums" and discuss KKS, Guru etc.

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And who was inviting you for a Discussion atall...Tell me Tell me I'll Kill him :twisted:

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Originally Posted by Renault

Vijay,

Actually we, Raja fans are celebrating his music in Rasathanthram..

Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements.

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Really? who are all "celebrating" it? Just the 2 or 3 of you here. No one else gives a damn or isnt even aware of such an album

inetk's review of Pachakuthira pretty much sums up my view on IR's albums in MFM after KKS. and inetk is a very lenient reviewer,especially as far as IR albums are concerned. He wrote in his review:

But a 90s synth tune and sound is what you actually get. The same annoying heard-before synth sound opens Thottaavaadi. The ginguchakkaan humming irritates even more. Raja uses his standard raga-based composition in Varavelkumo. Sarasangi? Mayamaalavagowlai? In any case, considering that the raaga has been used pretty often, it only adds to the overall deja-vu effect. That very effect also drags the soundtrack down!
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Originally Posted by Renault

Vijay,

Actually we, Raja fans are celebrating his music in Rasathanthram..

Have ur facts ready before making such fleeting statements.

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Renault! see you were speaking about Rasathanthram and he is giving out the 100words of karthick on Pachakuthira :lol:
If he had cared to scroll down the page of Karthick's blog he would have read this

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Originally Posted by karthick aka 100words

Rasathanthiram
Aathin Karayorathe is a pleasant melody that has Manjari's sorta put-on stylish singing adding charm. Despite a strong deja-vu effect Ponnaavani paadam impresses with the old-world interludes laden with flute. Poo kungumapoo - in both Yesudas’ and Chitra’s versions - is the pick of the soundtrack with vintage orchestration and lovely Raja-styled directions that the tune adopts. Thevaaram's unconventional opening is absolutely Raja'esque though it peters out in a predictable mode later. Rasathanthiram, tune-wise, is vintage Raja. In Malayalam, which is more familiar with the softer, tuneful and mellow side of Raja, this is a significant advantage! Thematically fits better!

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And it seems not you me and jaiganes [2 or 3 of us :) ] enjoying this album but the whole of kerala is enjoying it
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/ut/s/20/100/
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/ar/i/movie_name/8377/0/
Its topping the user request and its highly improbable that only 3 of us could have made achieve this feat :shock:

Kannai moodikitta Poonai kitta innum enna Paechu vaendi kedakku namakku. "Thalai" Live concertla sonna madhiri 'Namma Paattukku namma velaya Paarkalam' :) illaenna ungalai thaan Kolla Vaendi irukkum pola :oops:

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Originally Posted by inetk

And here goes the mandatory 100 words on Raja's Pachakuthira!
http://www.milliblog.blogspot.com

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Karthick The Soundtrack 'Varavelkumo' for which you said the deja-vu effect drags it down is the one I like of all the songs! purely fors its unique Rhythm pattern using clapping of hands and guitar? in its second interlude. Can any One even imagine using the clapping of hands in such various manners and incorporating into the rhythm pattern :?: Yes he himself has used clapping sounds earlier but here its very different try listening the song from 2:44 mins after...I wish the second interlude should have been longer.

'Kondachamundi' is synth added variation of 'unnaithaan nitham nitham' While 'oru thottavaadi' is again notable for its rhythamic interludes..What if he uses 'jiggichakkan' Which is very indianish I thank him for not using Ohlalala or jimbalikka.The style of pronunciation in the songs 'Butterfly' is very malayali style and i think karthick and bava have done commendable work over here too. The song has some cool jazzy effects... probably a hangover from MX period.

Overall a very impressive effort from Raja... given his age factor its commendable that he is still able to churn out nice rhythm based and fast paced songs not compromising with the newage composers who rely upon loops and commercial softwares for their rhythms :thumbsup:

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Really? who are all "celebrating" it? Just the 2 or 3 of you here. No one else gives a damn or isnt even aware of such an album

inetk's review of Pachakuthira pretty much sums up my view on IR's albums in MFM after KKS. and inetk is a very lenient reviewer,especially as far as IR albums are concerned. He wrote in his review:

But a 90s synth tune and sound is what you actually get. The same annoying heard-before synth sound opens Thottaavaadi. The ginguchakkaan humming irritates even more. Raja uses his standard raga-based composition in Varavelkumo. Sarasangi? Mayamaalavagowlai? In any case, considering that the raaga has been used pretty often, it only adds to the overall deja-vu effect. That very effect also drags the soundtrack down!

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vijayr, were you referring only to the "Pachakuthira" soundtrack, or did your statements include the "Rasathanthiram" soundtrack as well? I haven't heard any songs from "Pachakuthira," so I couldn't back up or argue any of your comments.

I have however heard the songs of "Rasathanthiram." And if you care to know my thoughts on that album, here they are. I think that even though Raja can and should be commended on resisting the temptation to use all the newfangled software to compose the music and giving more importance to the melody, I can say with confidence that Raja's exuberance isn't very great. After hearing SO many aural treats by guys like Raveendran Mash, Devarajan Mash, MSV, MK Arjunan, Sarath, VijayaBhaskar, and the like, and even Ilayaraja's own earlier works (including in his late 90s Kannada albums up until "Namma Preetiya Ramu"), these songs pale in comparison. Not enough freshness, that's what I'm saying! In fact, it seems like ages since I last heard a classic song by Raja. By that, I mean a song whose melody just blows you out of the water. While "Ponnaavani..." and "Poo Kumkuma Poo..." may sound pleasant, I wouldn't call either a classic. I think that even M. Jayachandran (currently the busiest MD in MFM) could scratch out songs like that. However, Malayalees seem to like the songs.

It is my belief that it will be the people who don't know anything outside of Ilayaraja's music who will be the ones exalting IR's mediocre or average by Raja's standards songs as if they were the best.


Regards,
Nitya

Nithya, agree with you every bit. I know that you listen to a lot of other MDs as well in MFM.

Yep, I agree. I think Rasathanthram songs are not all that great, and not at all IR classic.

But the songs are pleasant and melodious. It's a welcome change for a person like me, who has started listening to new tfm(including that of ARR in this list) again and find it loud and copied from everywhere from America to China. There is not an ounce of originality in most composers, including Raja's so called successful offspring.

So for Malayalees or anyone else who enjoy melodious music, it is always a treat to listen to such a fare. And no, I don't think most of us will call them classicals. But in a world where a Godfather or Pattiyal is praised to glory, I think IR deserves some true credit for his originality. And by the way, when was the last time one heard music in tfm that was 'fresh'?

vijayr, my dear friend!!!

Onnumae illaatha ARR threadla kooda sila peru ennum ennannammo discuss pannikkittu irakkarapo, inga IR ivvalo hits innum continuosaa kodutthukittu irakkapo naama yenpaa old hits patthi discuss pannanum???

ARR threadla varusham muzhuthum itho varuthu itho varuthunnu title mattum pottukkitu discuss pannikittae iruppaanunga sila perunga. Anga poi un contributiona konjam koduppa saamy. 3 maasham 6 maasham velai senju koduppaar avuru Godfather maathiri oru sappa album, atha world standardkku uyarthi pesi pesi kushi adaivaanga sila peru!

IR recent films have many gems which will survive time, like his Madhu has got some heavenly tunes and top rock songs which can challenge any existing composers anytime!

Dear Vijayr, Nithya,
TAmil la oru pazhamozhi onru irukiradhu!!

"kaikara marathuku than kalladi vizhum"

Like that, IR is busy in his music.Neengal ellorum kettu irukireergal.Pazhikireergal.Thats all!!!!

Eppo IR isai seri ialli enru feel panreengalo, just ignore him!! Avaroda pudhu padalgalai ketkadheenga!!! Dont waste your time!!! Ha Ha Ha!!! NIchayam ungalukaga IR tune podavillai.Avar anrum inrum enrum - Cinemavin story ku dhan tune podarar!!! ADhai avarudaiya fans rasikirargal!!! Idhu dhan Unmai.Idhi neengal accept panni than aga vendum!!!

With Love,
Usha Sankar.