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My Dear "Surya"
// Sudhamma Ji, :shock: :shock: :shock://
Yes... Now I have caught your point.... Earlier it was not clear as to what you meant Really...
In fact I was shocked to note such an ambiguous BLUNT-REMARK ...
... from You... my well-knowledged Friend ... my dear Surya.
I agree with you... on such sick-minded Brain-washing amongst the budding innocent Youth
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Thanks. Yes, I should have quoted Elavar's post, rather than Raghu ji's. :)
Yeah, It's really sad, because many teens in TN are brought up taught those things even today. :(
Yeah, sadly, some people have also distorted epics in other ways as well. Some extremists have distorted the Mahabharat to make it look like a war between different races and they have distored the Ramayana to make it look like the Ramayana tried to insult people form southern India by calling hte ones who helped Lord Rama.
... Killing VALI by. Rama hiding ! JUSTIFIED ? .. HOW ?
(1) Lord Indra was one of the worst affected due to the Onslaughts of the Wicked- turned Siva-Devotee cum Mighty warrior Ravana.. So he was given a role as Vali with a rare and greater might to defeat his Enemy. Whereas, instead of antagonising his Worst-Enemy, he fell in line with Ravana and made friendship with him quite contrary to the very purpose of his birth as Vali.
Added to such a Wicked-role aligning with Ravana, and capturing his own Brother Sugriva’s Kingdom along with his Wife too
Further he was misusing his Unique might of Invincibility towards his Selfish intentions quite contrary to the Social-Law of Righteousness especially being a King duty-bound to set an example for the Subjects.. by means of Self-discipline
And such a Logical cum Moral duty is the Prime-commitment of the so called God, Indra. Whereas not only he failed in his commitment but also behaved in counter to the Scope itself.
Thus proving so cheap and denigrative un-worthy to be named as the Indira-awathara ... but deserved to be treated only as the Worst TRAITOR.
According to Dharma-Sasthras any Traitor is the Worst-criminal, worse than even the Wiuld-Animals///
.. and so do not deserve any such condideration of the Laws and Regulations applicable to a Warrior or King or of any Human-Status.
.. Other than the only Status as the Social-Enemy alongside the God’s Enemy///
... being the Antagonist to the Moral- Law of Righteousness towards the Well-being of the Humanity.
(2) After getting hit, Vali asked “Oh Rama, I could have easily got back your wife Seetha to you, by my commands to Ravana as also making him apologise by surrendering at your feet. Why have you antagonised me? I am not your Enemy.!!!
For which Rama replied “I do not need any help from you... nor interested in the friendship of the Wicked Enemy to Righteousness... however mighty he mnay be to serve my purpose.
If I do so. it will not mean me as a Royal-birth,... Not even a Warrior... Not even a Man worthy enough to be named as Human
(3)“Then why Rama, you made Friendship with my brother Sugreeva. And after all , we brothers’ quarrel and misunderstanding is our Internal-matter rather our Family-affair. Why you, an outsider should interfere and take sides?
For which Rama replied ”Every Human , the so-called Good-man abiding by the Divine-Law of Righteousness as well as the Moral-code of Humanity, has a bounden duty to protect such Laws in practical-life in the Society around whether directlty concerned to him or not When some Injustice is being practised any Law-abiding Righteous man cannot afford to be a Mute-Spectator...
Otherwise anybody and everbody may take the Laws into their own hands and fool others... stating it as an Internal or Family-affair
And such a duty is more to a Royal-born. So I had to interfere... when you are doing a serious injustice to your own brother.
Besides, when your brother Sugreeva an innocent Victim of grave injustice to him sought my support and help, I had to assure and keep up to my Moral-duty towards Righteousness.. Which I did.”
You are worse than any Wicked Wild-animal, for killing which no Human-Law is applicable.”
(4) Besides, you possess the Unparallel Boon-power of gaining the additional-might from your Face-to-face Combatant So it will become a delicate factor for me either to make that power true in my case or not. So I had to avoid facing you straight.
On hearing such a detailed justifications, Vali was well-convinced and repeanted for his folly as also apologised to Rama.
Accepting the Surrender, Vali was granted Moksha (Liberation from Re-births), .. ignoring all his past sins... which rare gesture benign grace is a rare privelege normally granted only to the Righteous persons of Past-Good-deeds
Whereas for Vali ... it was the Greatest-Favour from the Merciful Rama.
Dear Sudhaama
I thought Vali was born as a hunter and his arrow finally killed Krishna during that yugam.
Thats what kamban writes.Ram and seetha met and fell in love.Rama left with Viswamithra,but poor seetha suffered the pangs of love.She immediatly had a disease called as 'kadhal noi"(love sickness).What was the nature of that sickness?
It was the wound caused by a sword and rope of yama writes Kamban.
பருகிய நோக்கு எனும் பாசத்தால் பிணித்து,
ஒருவரை ஒருவர்தம் உள்ளம் ஈர்த்தலால்,
வரி சிலை அண்ணலும் வாட்கண் நங்கையும்,
இருவரும் மாறிப் புக்கு, இதயம் எய்தினார்
Their looks acted as the pasa(rope) which binded each other and tied both hearts together.The annal(great man) who equalled an idol entered heart of the sword eyed woman and she entered his heart.
LOVE DISEASE:
பிறை எனும் நுதலவள் பெண்மை என் படும்?-
நறை கமழ் அலங்கலான் நயன கோசரம்
மறைதலம், மனம் எனும் மத்த யானையின்
நிறை எனும் அங்குசம் நிமிர்ந்து போயதே
Kamban writes "nayana kosaram".It means seetha stood watching Rama till he went away from the boundaries of her view.Until he became a small speck in the distance and completely disappeared from her eye sight,seetha kept on looking at him.Her mind which was equal to an unconquered elephent was conquered by an angusa writes kamban.
How did seetha look at Rama disasppearing from her eye sight?She stood like a painting without moving her eye lids writes kamban.
பைந்தொடி, ஓவியப் பாவை போன்றனள்;
சிந்தையும், நிறையும், மெய்ந் நலனும், பின் செல,
மைந்தனும், முனியொடு மறையப் போயினான்
She stood like an "oviya paavai"(painting of a beautiful woman).The oviya paavai kept on watching the blue colored theif, till he crossed her nayana kosaram.(limits of eye sight)
After this she had a disease.The symptoms of that disease were horrible.
Sudhamaa wrote:
Why was Ravana wicked?? Because he kidnapped Sita to revenge Rama for mutilating his sister? If Ravana was wicked, why didn't he rape Sita while she was in his custody?Quote:
Lord Indra was one of the worst affected due to the Onslaughts of the Wicked- turned Siva-Devotee cum Mighty warrior Ravana..
There is some silly logic here, that you people talk! Bye!
Actually Ravana was not a very good character.He was a serial offender against women.The reason he did not rape Sita was because of a curse as explained below.
This is a copy and paste
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He raped 2 women. One is Punjikasthala - a celestial women and is cursed by Brahma. The other is Nalakubara's wife 'Ramba' which is what you have mentioned. This curse (of Brahma) is revealed to Janaki through Vibishana's daughter. Due to this curse, Janaki feels confident that nothing will happen to her and she is safe.
When 'Punjikasthala' was violated, The curse was given by Brahma, not by Punjikasthala herself. And Punjikasthala was the mother of Hanuman in her next life. She was re-born as Anjali and gave birth to Hanuman with Vayu as the father. She was re-born due to a curse by a rishi.
Read all the links given below and learn the nitty gritty details.
Links:
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/yuddha...haitrans13.htm
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Once I saw a celestial nymph, Punjikasthala(by name) flashing like a flame, concealing herself in the sky and proceeding towards the abode of Brahma. She was made unclothed by me and was enjoyed forcibly. Thereafter, appearing like a crumpled lotus, she went to the abode of Brahma. I think that the matter was made known to the high soled Brahama and then the enraged Brahma spoke to me the following words: From today onwards, if you revel with any other woman forcibly, your head then undoubtedly will break asunder into a hundred pieces. Fearing the curse given in this manner by Brahama, I am not violently making Sita the daughter of Videha, to mount on my beautiful bed forcibly.
http://www.dalsabzi.com/Language_Fes...an_jayanti.htm
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The mother of Hanuman was Anjani who initially was a very famous courtesan in heaven named Punjikasthala.
Punjikasthala was cursed by a sage, who she had insulted and so she was born as a female monkey named Anjani.
Anjani performed penance in order to beget a powerful and swift son, which she did and who came to be known as Hanuman.
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Ravana himself tells the story of the curse on him to Mahaparswa who advises him to revel in Sita without waiting for her consent. On hearing from Puñjikasthalä what Ravana did to her, Brahma was enraged, says Ravana. "Highly enraged, the creator forthwith addressed the following words to me: 'If you (happen to) violate any other woman henceforward, your head will be forthwith split into a hundred pieces; there is no doubt about it.' Hence, afraid (as I am) of his curse, I do not violently put Sita, a princes of the Videha territory, on my charming bed by force." (Valmiki Ramayana, Yuddha Kanda, Canto XIII, Sloka 13 - 15)
The Uttara Kanda mentions another curse on him. This was the curse of Nalakubara, the son of Kubera. Since Kubera is the half-brother of Ravana, Nalakubara is - in our tradition - to be considered as his own son. Ravana violated the wife of Nalakubara, Rambha, the celestial nymph, that is to say, his own daughter-in-law, and received a similar curse from Nalakubara as well.
The point is, this was the most vital of all information that preserved the life of Janaki in the isolated prison of Asoka Vana, giving her the confidence that Ravana cannot come near her as far as she is firm in her resolve. As Hanuman observes, that Vibishana's daughter passed the information to Janaki was the main reason that strengthened her and continue to wage her lonely war against Ravana. Now, there might arise a question as to what would she have done in the absence of such a curse. Well, it is a matter of hypothesis. In such circumstances, as she herself tells Hanuman and even Ravana himself, she might have burnt him to ashes.
how?? how many victims?? who are they??Quote:
He was a serial offender against women.
enna mannikavum... :(
naan dravida extremists illai.
ennaku theriyum ella indian akkal ore ore manitharkal endu.
i'm sorry for this question. i accept it was a stupid one. And luckily i understood why.
anna verra oru keelvi kekalama ??
ramanayayil enna anda vimana kal ??
i want just to know if they talk about architecture of temple or flying object ?
as I am a science lover... i read some part of Vymaanika-Shaastra...
in the ramanyana, Rama had a flight trip from the Adams Peak towards India, is it only mystical or real fact...??
Have we only just consider Ramanyana as a religious and moralous scripture, or can it too be used as a scientific tool ?