A.R.Rahman - Mani Rathnam - Rajeev Menon - GURU

is it just me .. or anybody else have this feeling....

Guru has flop written all over it.... Somehow its not a MR film I am waiting for... it just feels different ....be it the posters...the "supposed" story .. cast... doesnt ring a "hit" bell.... If the story is actually the story of a man ... visionary... this will be a super flop....
I dont know why MR has chosen such an outing for his hindi venture.... MR strenth is relationships... period...!!
or maybe MR isnt interested in commercial success.. and only interested in critial acclaim during his last few years as a director...maybe...
for me .. GURU just doent feel like it will hit the chord...

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Originally Posted by sloshed

is it just me .. or anybody else have this feeling....

Guru has flop written all over it...

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sloshed, its very easy to predict a flop than predicting a hit......it becomes easier when u find MR,ARR name in the lineup, isnt it??cos u know from now on, 4 out of 5 movies from this combo will fail.....

but only thing i'm hoping for is something like RDB......trust me, RDB was the most comprehensive flop material......45 yr old hero, 40 yr old MD with lots of experimented songs, boring subject of patriotism but it turns out to be a movie that has changed a entire nation's perspective.......u never know..... :wink:

Maddy ...
In fact .... RDB was one of the films which i knew will be a big blockbustur... I knew a bit about the film from the media... and I had a good feeling about Rakesh Mehara.... and his care for good screenplay....
In fact all this while I had this strange notion about how only MR can do justice to both art and commercial cinemas in the same visual media.... I am happy to find .. a lot of people are coming forward on that thought... RM,selvaragavan,bala, etc..

Coming back to your point.... If I find MR and ARR inthe same lineup ... alomost everything points to a hit... why not?? ..its just that ...I feel MR has chosen a subject .. which may not vibe well at this present time....I dont know anything about this moive.. except for the fact that its about a visionary... still I dont think its a subject with "super hit" written all over it... I dont think Mani will hit off with the north this time around.. I wish he had taken a more "saleable" story .... but lets see...unless promos come out.. we cant say nything.. but I just feel this one will be a big flop....

And maddy .. in a way ur rite.."RDB" didnt belong to the 45 yr old actor or the 40 yr MD... it all belongs to one man ..Rakesh ... his vision was excellent... the other two can take credit to the fact that they helped his vision... I think RM will be one of the finest directors in this era... good luck to him....and good luck to Mani...

I forgot to add....

I am actually hoping for something that will better "Iruvar"
IMO.. its the finest Indian Movie ever made.... If I made a checklist on the aspects of an excellently well done movie... Iruvar is up there..... Though I dont care about the BO success.. I want success atleast for MR sake.. he deserves it and i think its long due in the north....

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Originally Posted by sloshed

And maddy .. in a way ur rite.."RDB" didnt belong to the 45 yr old actor or the 40 yr MD... it all belongs to one man ..Rakesh ... his vision was excellent... the other two can take credit to the fact that they helped his vision... I think RM will be one of the finest directors in this era... good luck to him....and good luck to Mani...

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i totally disagree with u.....ARR and Aamir were very vital for this movie's success.......ARR had suggested the situations/feel of the movie etc etc. to RM, so i guess he was very much a part of it.....for me this was ARR's biggest success post-2000....

I Second Maddy on the above part. Music-ARR & Aamir played a vital role in this success... Couldnt imagine a movie without them. Infact these two were the crowd-pullers.

RDB has ARR's best BGM since Thiruda Thiruda :thumbsup: The success of the film largely owes to the BGMs and camera work :clap: They carried the punch of the scenes... especially scenes like jallian wallah bach.... otherwise the film wud have ended just like another documentary. The strings were amazing in the BG (recently saw VV.. strings in BG were as bland as they can get :banghead: and they call this as gr8 BG :banghead: )

Maddy/Scale....

I dont deny the part in their success... BUt dont you think that the movies success was "pre-defined" by the script of RM.... Scale.... the "two-crowd pullers concept" doesnt vibe well with me.. in fact that same two crowd pullers were also there for a dud called "Mangal Pandey" ... Rm chose to think different... gave the concept of patriotism in a pulse that captured the youth's imagination.... The credit should go to him...
This talk of BGM's and Camera work are only secondary ... I dont think it was ARR best since "Thiruda Thiruda".... IMHO .. "Dil se" ,AP, KM.. had far superior BGM's that RDB....
I agree to an extent.. Amir gave the movie the opening ...but RM deserves everything in sustaining its run.... and as Maddy points out.. ARR needs success to make sure his songs dont perish .. actually someone pointed out ..that RM didnt do justice to the songs as they werent picturized in effect.... the movie in totality rocked...and I am only suprised nobody here mentions of the powerful script RM had in the furst place....

BTW.. the other good movie in recent times with a powerful script.. is "Bommarillu" .... though I dont speak the language .. I loved the film... thats powerful moive making again... Again I wouldnt say .. its becos of the actors/MDs... the battle had been won already ...

"Guru has flop written all over it...."

I said the same thing in a popular blog only to get brickbats. Abishek plays Ambani, Mithun Chakrabarthy plays his business rival and it's all about corporate battles, and rise of Ambani from 50-80. Certainly not a commercial story and an imminent flop. Movie would be well made and ARR would churn out some amazing numbers for mani - that's a routine affair.
I’m forcibly switching my loyalties to Lajjo, Aamir, Mani, ARR, PC Sriram, and Bobby Bedi for good production values!

Sloshed, i completely agree with u on the script on RDB....one of the most scintillating ones i have ever seen in my life.....infact, i place Raykesh on par with Mani, Ghai (guys dont laugh, he is also my fav.), RGV and above Gautam/Selvaraghavan/Ashutosh Gowariker..........

sloshed, did u know that Mangal Pandey had one of the biggest openings ever for that time?? it was purely bcos of Aamir/Marketing/ARR.......so RDB's opening had to do with Aamir and ARR a lot.....but the movie sustained bcos of its gr8 script........but wat r the industry standards we have now?? Arindhum ariyamalum, Kadhal Kondein, Pattiyal were gud movies and ran mainly for their scripts but still we consider it as a success movies for YSR, isnt it??? same way, i guess ARR shuld be credited for RDB's success....

jacky, u never know, Mani is gr8, he might pull out some surprises in Guru......did u know dil se was the first Indian movie to be declared a flop in India and a hit abroad......u never know Guru mite start another new trend of its own./....