He lost his ground in TN long time back probably around 2000, that is just 8 years for him. Now everyone has the lastest mac with them, he can never ever gain back the same status he had here. TN is over for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
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He lost his ground in TN long time back probably around 2000, that is just 8 years for him. Now everyone has the lastest mac with them, he can never ever gain back the same status he had here. TN is over for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Mr Jude and Ramk1, Calling ARR a good sound engineer/programmer has been a familiar catcall for IR fans when they judge his work. But as Plum said he certainly is extremely talented.
As i said although he does work in a team and encourages them to put in their own ideas, it aint certainly as bit and pieces as it sounds. Rahman has extremely good knowledge of WCM and carnatic music and as much as his technicians join in it is Rahman who decides the tune,flow and arrangement as every song that Rahman does has a trademark style which only he can do.
If what you said was true, he would not have been able to compose WOHE or even Elizabeth the golden age. Really speculative i tell you.
We must not forget to understand the basic difference in their environments.
IR was 'music assistant' in real sense, and grew into composer and hence the growth was in a particular dimension.
ARR was a musician, who used to jam with other musicians. He was part of Bands he had formed such as 'Nemesis', 'Roots', 'Magic' at different times, apart from being a session musician for film composers. Also, we must not forget that ARR did not even dream about becoming a film composer. He was just enjoying his bands and performances in a 'Team', which even included playing along L.Shankar, L.Subramaniam, Zakir Hussain etc. And add to that, he branched into Ad jingles and later, films just happened. Remember what ARR told SPB (as narrated by SPB) - "i dont think i will survive beyond 5 years". I myself read his interview during Bombay in which he said "There will be some other person 5 years down the line and i might not be in the field.My music is working now, but it wont be the same always". He himself did not 'decide' in those days. Just that he was giving something different and it was working bigtime and since it was working, he was again giving. Thats why he even did Vandemataram(ever wondered why he did not do any other non-film album after that??, if we leave Bombay Dreams etc,which also had film songs only). Slowly he felt that this is his field in which he will stick or a confidence that he can no longer delink from films. and he kept on moving. so, the whole system in which he operated and his own modus operandi was in different dimension ever since he was a kid may be. Now, we cant question his choice of working that way because thats the way he had been. For me, what matters is the output. if i like it, i like it or else, Light!!! Thats why there have always been ARR scores which i liked and disliked, and liking or disliking happened on their own, without any comparisions with IR or expectations to make music in certain way.
I think ARR is strongly into collaborative environment and thats how he has been always. So, there is no point in finding fault with it today as such. It would be like saying "Pt.Ravi Shankar uses too much of classical music on sitar and tabla for films" (only an example).
And i agree with hulkster, it wouldnt be easy to score for WOHE and The Golden Age, both impressed me a lot, without comparing to any work by any other composer or IR. Golden Age too, was in collaboration with Craig Armstrong. (btw, listen to the track 'Dr. Dee Pt.1' in it, it distinctly reminds us of IR, seriously).
One question Jai: Sad/philosophical/pathos songs are classics and a "Tholin Mele" is not??? Or a "Madai Thirandhu"? I don't buy that, sorry, even if its Ilaiyaraaja's opinion. [Ippo irukkara ella 'happy', 'jolly', 'hip' songs ellam classics-a nu kekkadheenga, adhu vera vishayam]Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Ippo "emotional" song-e varadhillaya? Nalla love-duets varradhillaya? Bhakthi-adippadaila varradhillaya? I mean there are examples for this. Do you deny this? Do you enjoy only one kind of songs? one genre? Do you not listen to other MD songs? If your answer is yes, there is no way you can agree with the popcorn thing. Is there not an A.R Rahman song composed 10 years back that you listen to now?
P.S: What we prefer the most, what we would die for etc - thats a diff issue
From what IR says, his reference of popcorn music is the jamming of guitar like in heavy metal songs by nowadays english breakaway artists and most R and B stuff where their music is derived from catchy loops and programming.
He does not hate pop music and all but he hates the fact that our youngsters(indian) are so interested in their type of music which has no "culture" or proper composing skill(like a song just made to sound catchy with sounds added in there and here).
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Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I am sure Jai didnt mean that only Sad/philosophical/pathos songs are classics all other are junks. What he mentioned was these Sad/philosophical/pathos songs are becoming a thing of past.
One of the important reason for this from my point of view is, this current generation is not like the angry young generation of 70's who celebrated the philosophical songs and definitly not like the 80's young generation who really enjoyed the love/sad songs.
As they say this 'vibrant' young india loves the happy/cheerful songs mostly. Theres no part for 'sad' in their life, atleast thats what they are trying to belive.
nanchil/Jai/Hulk,
At a general level, i agree. The kostin is, idhellam Ilaiyaraaja sonnadha illa neenga (Jai, Hulk) solradha? :)
Anyway, i think this has dragged on for far too long (enna oru nyanodhayam!). Free-a vida vendiya neram vandhiruchu... Plum sonna 'conclusion' ku vidradhu dhaan best pola irukku... :)
Avaru ennaikku ethai pathhi pesirukkaru, eppavum pola mouna samiyaruthan, namalaathan ithu mathiri ethavthu 'karuthu' sollikittu irukkomQuote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
(kannu theiyathavan etc yaanai thadavi parthu karuthu sonnadhu pola).
Ithu ellathukkum mutru pulli vaikka vendiya neram vandhachhu...... nan intha arguments a sonnen ( ella adiyayum vangikittu vadivelu solra mathiri)
crajkumar_be, this one for u
http://archives.chennaionline.com/mu...0ilayaraja.asp
"On the current trend of re-mixes, Ilayaraja said he had nothing much to say. "There will always be different kinds of music available. Re-mix is like fast food. Some may not like it, others will like it." It is not for us to judge music in its varying moods and forms -- different formats will be available. One can choose whichever form one likes and relish it, said the maestro. Prophetic words, indeed. He has no quarrel with the world and with those who seek fast music. Have your pick and enjoy music, he seems to say."
(ellam mudinjathukku apparama, vadivelu ethavadhu munumunuppaar illa, adhu mathiri ninaichikittu ithoda niruthiruvom.)