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Plum,
I can empathize with you. Your problem, if you are in a typical office situation, would be that unlike S.Bharathy, you may be surrounded by more S.Barathys and not by Kamal and Raja :lol:
I can understand.
Quite recently, encircled in the cubicle, fellow coolies kudified, and raved about "Transformers", and turned to see what I made of it, "Megan fox super-a irundhaanga" Always take an extra pair of kid-glove to office. :notworthy:
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Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Ethirpaartha paatu ithuthaan. 5000 pattula sattuna nyabagathukku intha rendu pattu mattum thaan varum.
Detail badhil later. This is just to Add my 'smiley' and few points as these two songs are the ones which any Raaja fan will find very similar instantly.
... And I agree these two songs are interchangeable. Revathyum antha thullalum characterisation and situation 99% othu poguthey rendu pattukkum. I said about situation similarity without any other commanalities. Lets give another try.
Enjoying the discussion :thumbsup:
Music is by Selvaganesh s/o ghatam player Vikku VinayakramQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
That is my point - that situations are usually repeating patterns. Neenga adhaye justification-a solreengale :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
"Thulli kudhikkum heroine introduction" with or without rain.
Many songs/situations are similarly generic and hence paattum generic-a dhaane irukkum. Thats not Raaja's fault...
Also, i disagree that Revathy is a factor here (i agree to an extent if its like Rajini, Kamal, Ramarajan etc.. i mean there is a significant distinctness in various factors between each of them but actresses seldom had the room or identity in Tamil films so as to warrant a distinct type of score)
Oh, indha condition sollirundheenga illa... Though my last example would be valid enough, fine, lets do a subset of that - trying to interchange songs in which only the situation is similar (director/actor being different)...Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
konjam yosikka vendirukku! Soozhal correct a irukkumbodhu post panren, later today
In the wake of the ongoing discussion, let me just recycle a comment I made about one of the BGM pieces from 'idhayaththaith thirudAdhE' on Suresh's Background Score blog recently,
Related reading: Schopenhauer's aestheticsQuote:
How an already composed masterpiece was so wonderfully channelled as the BGM for a wholly unrelated sequence is amazing, of course, but also a bit disconcerting if you are into the whole thing about art being an expression of human emotions.
I had been trying to dissect the songs from Nayagan in my mind much earlier to this discussion. I came to understand that When the starting Aalaap of the song 'thenpaandi cheemayile' ends if you start off with 'Nila athu vaanathu mela' in a slower tempo it fits perfectly and would've been wonderful too. similarly after the latino styled introduction to 'Nila Athu' if we start off with 'Thenpaandi' in a faster tempo it would've worked too. But they woulve never worked if the swap was without these subtle changes made to the Tempo, Orchestration and the nuances. athu thaan ennoda pointe!Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Thirumba solraen We cannot take a song of Raaja just like that and pluggin it into any other 'similar' situation . 99-100% match aaganum illeana it wont work out. ARR'oda Doli Sajake rakhna songsa eduthu 'Jodi'la potta mathiri! (Sandaikku varatheengappa oru examplekaaga solraen). Raaja himself wont agree for that. He has to know exactly what is happening on screen for those songs. Even if there is a mild variation to the 'situation' he will re-do the orchestration and tweak the tune to suit the new 'mood'. We can check on the numerous re-cycled /Re-Hashed songs of his done by himself to substantiate this. He doesnt do it because he wants to show he is 'better' or 'different'. He does it because he wants his songs to convey the 'mood' / 'emotion' of the characters and do justice to the narrative. He creates a 'Storyboard' for all his songs in his mind and compose music for that storyboard. That is the reason we can see visuals emanating within us when we read his music.
In the whole of his career he has allowed songs 'As is' to be re-used in very few cases. Payanangal Mudivathillai was one such case.
Atheppadeenga Kelviyum Naane Badhilum Naanennu irukreenga :) Ithathaane naangalum sollittu irukom!Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
irir,
My Arguement is for maximum cases. Exemptions are there definitely. But When we are trying to understand Raaja the Composer, lets get it right. Otherwise we will get mislead from the learning.
Kiru,
Yes. I missed out on the Lyrics part. That is also one of the major attributes which should convey my points better. Thanks.
I've not yet dissected Matha un kovilil. But Tried to Dissect 'Bitchai Paathiram' sometime back.Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Questions I posed were.
Why didnt Raaja himself sing the song?
Why Was the Orchestration tweaked a bit?
and not to miss out the sensibility of the lyrics that kiru pointed out why did he change 'Naan oru bitchai paathiram' to 'Yaam oru bitchai Pathiram' at a specific instant?
After these changes does the song Evoke 'Devotion'/'Divinity'/'Surrender' Or 'Sympathy'/'Empathy' Or Totally something else now?
If we find out the answers then we are on the right track. I've got close to the answers :)
Athuthaan illa. Intha mathiri completely matching songs are very limited. When it mis-matches even slightly, though the situation is Generic Raaja Changes the color of the song.Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Meaning to say P.V would have worked for "N.V" and the tune of N.V would have worked for the former with just the orchestration being a 'little bit' excessive. The frugal orchestration in P.V wouldn't hurt the situation if placed in Mouna Ragam.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
See, why this fixation with interchange?
My point is this: many sad/love/folk/mother songs etc will work as a sad song in different movies. It doesn't necessarily mean there will always be a two way interchange.
Good points/kostins on Pichai Paathiram :thumbsup: I want to take lyrics out of the equation for obvious reasons, though. Let me listen to it again :)