Kamalhassan's Ideology in his films

Kalyan, so your problem is that Kamal seems to imply that the "hindu" God is weaker than the "muslim" and "christian" Gods? Idhukku theLivA badhil sollunga. NAn ipdi kEtka oru kAraNam irukku

Jai, ningalum unga kuyhambina kuttaila meen pudikkara techniquem :)

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Originally Posted by Plum

And as regards "will you make fun of X the same way you do to Y", I think someone recently asked me the same "will you make fun of kamal and IR the same way as you do of abhishek".
The answer,dudes and dudettes, is why should I? If you want kamal to be made fun of do it yourself. I will only do that if I find his actions funny. I don't have to maintain a balance :huh:

For kamal, hindu way of life is first hand experience.others are academic knowledge so hindu examples(especially jaadhi veRi - the ones referred to in dasa by paatti - sheer contempt for "low" castes, which I can vouch for lies upto previous generation of mine and my gen too) might come - as Raju would put it - "apdiyE varradhu dhaan illai".
Menakettu pOi muslim atrocity pathi edukkaNumnA, google search paNNi quiz answer pandrA maadhri dhaan.

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:exactly: :clap:

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Originally Posted by Plum

Jai, ningalum unga kuyhambina kuttaila meen pudikkara techniquem :)

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yaenga - neenga thaan inga phlasapy wholesale rights vechirukeengala?
Hub writing is like a choir - only difference is that not all are required to sing the same song.... ;-)

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

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Originally Posted by Plum

Jai, ningalum unga kuyhambina kuttaila meen pudikkara techniquem :)

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yaenga - neenga thaan inga phlasapy wholesale rights vechirukeengala?
Hub writing is like a choir - only difference is that not all are required to sing the same song.... ;-)

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Jai, I was just kidding. Adhaan :) ellAm pOttOmla!

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Originally Posted by kalyan

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Originally Posted by Plum

Ok let me open another front against kamal. Being a vaishnavite, he deliberately showed shaivites in bad light and reinforced the mahimai of vishnu with the statue saving the world(and asin and govind). The dalit christian dies for upper caste children which shows what kamal expects of dalits. The vishnu statue swallowed the visham(vial with virus) thereby even appropriating a shivan myth into vishnu. Kamal is actually a iyengar fascist :huh:

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thats what people like charu claim him to be. wanna join hands with Chaaru? :wink:

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Kalyan, that's monumental miscomprehension. I was deliberately being obnoxious to show that it is possible to paint any colours we want to Kamal via his movies. As it has been repeatedly pointed out, Kamal's spiritual views are quite complicated and cannot be easily bucketed. Joe had linked an excellent article analysing this. Adhai vida theLivA sollamudiyAdhu.

What I am saying is that you are the other side of charu coin, trying to paint kamal leftist based on some vague clues while Charu tries to portray him as a rightist with a similar approach.

Ninga en kELvikku badhil sollunga appurm innoru charu bomb pOdarEn :)

Kalyan :shock:
Rape scene la "Narayana", naamam in another scene, idhellam endha kanakku?

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Originally Posted by kalyan

Mosque saved muslims: overtly acknowledged
Cross saved child: covertly acknowledged
Perumal statue saved asin: refuted

isnt this right?

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If God is an intelligent protector then why unleash this havoc or rather 'why enable man to think of nefarious schemes' that will unleash havoc ? This is the question he asks. This was pretty much a non-denominational question.

"enna maadhiri design idhu?" appidinnu A.Ars kEtta adhE kostin dhaanE idhu.

With that question, Govind kinda refutes every 'saviour theory'. And Asin's response is there is probably some reason/design which is impossible for us to understand. Such an explanation is unacceptable to the rationalist Govind.

The film grants no acknowledgement of 'saviors' whatsoever.

And, I keep mentioning every time, he has made frontal attacks on Abrahamic faiths too, which are centered around the return of the savior:

maRumuRai varuvadhaai solli
mAinthavar vandhadhE illai
thodarvadhu naamE - naaLai
varuvadhu vERoru aaLE

Lines from the title song in Hey ! Ram which he himself wrote.

Here he refutes the supposed divinity of anyone who says I will be back to save you, resurrect you etc: be it Krishna, Jesus or Mohammed.

I guess, what you are perhaps looking for is, nakkal/kindaL of Christian/Muslim faiths on the scale of Hindus. True he doesn't do that. And you are probably also right that that reason for that is the huge variance in the degree of tolerance.

But are you suggesting that that 'lack of tolerance' is a good thing?
Correct me if I am wrong, I sense something like 'if only we Hindus were as touchy' then no-one would dare etc etc. Did I get you wrong?

I, for one, feel it is quite important to have sivaperumAn blow bubbles and say "trolley forward" (Plum note this for mock essay: yet another instance of vaishnavite fanaticism!)

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

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Originally Posted by Plum

And as regards "will you make fun of X the same way you do to Y", I think someone recently asked me the same "will you make fun of kamal and IR the same way as you do of abhishek".
The answer,dudes and dudettes, is why should I? If you want kamal to be made fun of do it yourself. I will only do that if I find his actions funny. I don't have to maintain a balance :huh:

For kamal, hindu way of life is first hand experience.others are academic knowledge so hindu examples(especially jaadhi veRi - the ones referred to in dasa by paatti - sheer contempt for "low" castes, which I can vouch for lies upto previous generation of mine and my gen too) might come - as Raju would put it - "apdiyE varradhu dhaan illai".
Menakettu pOi muslim atrocity pathi edukkaNumnA, google search paNNi quiz answer pandrA maadhri dhaan.

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Appo idhu varaikkum kamal padamaa edutha vishayangal ellaame personal and direct experience thaana? Plus from whatever he has shared abt his personal life he has lived a very aloof life compared to siblings with respect to traditional hindu upbringing.
negatives mattum illai positivesum sonna thaan oru community paththi balanced perspective irukkunnu solla mudiyin(ippadi ezhudhinaa dhaan hubla neraya perukku puriyudhu - kaala kodumai). Kamalukku hinduism paththi irukkaradhellaam kaamalai kan.
All this is because of an inferiority complex which he alludes to in Nammavar (with reference to a stammering boy) - mathavan kindaladikarathukku munnaadi naamale kindal pannittaa naan thaan nadu nelamai - eppadi en bourgeois secularism?

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Let's see
Mahanadhi - yes, it was the experience of an innocent producer friend. Ofcourse, the friend didn't cut off his hands to kill a criminal. Friend daughter jailor son-ai kalyANamum kattikalainu nenaikkrEn
Chachi 420 - don't know what to say. I hope youu didn't include this in your question
Virumandi - ofcourse his personal experience of the milieu, culture and people is what makes the movie.
Anbe sivam - I find it hard to defend nasser's character in this movie. Not a favourite in particular for me. Fell free to open a discussiom and deconstruczion of kamal's motives based on this movie. I hope someone like feeyaar or kid glove will pitch in for this one.

Gunnaa - I"ll be frank. I haven't fully absorbes this movie. Till now. Which is why I hesitate to call myself a kamal fan. But again one can see his personal vision seeping through - again this is not google search but he has absorbed abirami andhaadhi at an early age. Don't forget that his influences, apart from his absolute brahmin of a mother include a drama troupe who would frequently have to refer to hindu tropes for their performances. Can he study quran and do similar stuff out of it, possibly blaspheming it to the delight of some here? Possibly but how can you replicate that absorption from young age - the engagement with that text at different points of his life, his perspective changing as he grows and all that culminating into this movie? Catch my point?
Hey Ram - perhaps, this was actually a google search movie in that Kamal actually painstakingly took efforts to present his complex vision of complex issues including spirituality and hs social study of the same. Again, this self-contains refutals to allegations of his pro-muslimness so perhaps he already has done the google search movie I was alluding to!

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Originally Posted by kalyan

Mosque saved muslims: overtly acknowledged
Cross saved child: covertly acknowledged
Perumal statue saved asin: refuted

isnt this right?

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:confused2:

If God is an intelligent protector then why unleash this havoc or rather 'why enable man to think of nefarious schemes' that will unleash havoc ? This is the question he asks. This was pretty much a non-denominational question.

"enna maadhiri design idhu?" appidinnu A.Ars kEtta adhE kostin dhaanE idhu.

With that question, Govind kinda refutes every 'saviour theory'. And Asin's response is there is probably some reason/design which is impossible for us to understand. Such an explanation is unacceptable to the rationalist Govind.

The film grants no acknowledgement of 'saviors' whatsoever.

And, I keep mentioning every time, he has made frontal attacks on Abrahamic faiths too, which are centered around the return of the savior:

maRumuRai varuvadhaai solli
mAinthavar vandhadhE illai
thodarvadhu naamE - naaLai
varuvadhu vERoru aaLE

Lines from the title song in Hey ! Ram which he himself wrote.

Here he refutes the supposed divinity of anyone who says I will be back to save you, resurrect you etc: be it Krishna, Jesus or Mohammed.

I guess, what you are perhaps looking for is, nakkal/kindaL of Christian/Muslim faiths on the scale of Hindus. True he doesn't do that. And you are probably also right that that reason for that is the huge variance in the degree of tolerance.

But are you suggesting that that 'lack of tolerance' is a good thing?
Correct me if I am wrong, I sense something like 'if only we Hindus were as touchy' then no-one would dare etc etc. Did I get you wrong?

I, for one, feel it is quite important to have sivaperumAn blow bubbles and say "trolley forward" (Plum note this for mock essay: yet another instance of vaishnavite fanaticism!)

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And I forgot a vehicle painted with either a variation of vishnu's name or nAmam appearing miraculously whwnever kamal/Asin jump from any height :lol:

Actually, feeyaar, nInga avasara pattuttInga. IdhayE nAn "charuu bomb" levelku pOdalAmnu irundhEn once Kalyan answers my question on hindu gods and muslim gods. Sari ippOvE pOttudarEn.

Now, the cross saved the boy. Sari. Why didn't jesus, then, save poovaraaghan who has actually been Chrisitian for longer time and a believer in Christianity? The boy is just a accidental holder of the cross. AppO Jesus enna dumb-nu solraarA kamal? He is anti-christian I say!
(Don't forget that 2 out of 3 christian kamals die in the movie. Bush real life characterA pOyittar illaina avariyum pOttu thaLLi iruppAr indha Kamalahasan. And why "Christian" Fletcher? Why not David or Keith or Duncan? ChristianinAlE ulagathai azhikka nenaikkaravangannu kAtta dhAne apdi pEru vechAr?)
Or is Kamal is implying that even Jesus will save a hindu boy over a lifelong christian so is he actually covertly preaching people to convert to Hinduism?
:)