IR News and Other Titbits Ver.2009

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Movie paarthu tamizhnaattu makkaL ellaam ThiruvaLLuvar= St Thomas Sishyan-nu nenaippanganu solradhu is insulting to tamizhnattu makkaL

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Appadi ninaikkaraa maadhiri thaan padam edukkaradhaa news..
adhu insultaa ? illai andha news-ai unga kitte naan solradhu insultaa ? Sari..poruththirundhu paarppom.

And there are a lot of things which can be legal according to law..but there are things law alone cannot protect..one such thing is cultural identity..I am one of those "fanatics" who worry about it ! :)

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

And there are a lot of things which can be legal according to law..but there are things law alone cannot protect..one such thing is cultural identity..I am one of those "fanatics" who worry about it ! :)

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kaibar Kanavaaykku velila irunthu vantha elalthayum thiruppi anupchida vendiyathuthaan :wink:

Iam just wondering Pant, shirt, brush, soap, powder, consumer products etc., etc., ...innaikku naama anubavikra ellathaiyum 'kaalachaara kaarangalukkaaga' thooki erinjittu komanamum, vettiyum kattittu veppanguchi, vasambu, santhanam, + olai chuvadi mattume intha mannin adaiyalangalnnu vaazhthida mudiyumaa?
Cultural identity :huh: Fanatism will lead to Fascism slowly... but surely, if we dont identify it and curb in the beginning stages itself :|

ada pongappa, what is your cultural identity. Anyone thinks they can answer that?
Just a few days back equa talked about the humility to not presume on behalf of nature. This seems to be episode 2 in that

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kaibar Kanavaaykku velila irunthu vantha elalthayum thiruppi anupchida vendiyathuthaan

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Hope the moderater does not delete this message of mine !

RS,

I hope you are referring to Aryan Invasion theory. Thanks for reminding that :wink:

Do you know that even Aryan-Dravidian baseless poison was spread by people like Jegath Gasper, to divide Indians for their own gains ? Caldwell was the main man behind that.

Please read "The Invasion that never was" by Michael Danini ( He is not a fundamentalist "fanatic", but an European ).

vetti sattayai thookki pottuttu ungalukku pidichcha endha aadayaiyum pottukkalaam..aanaal avan vandhu "un vetti sattai, vaazhkkai murai ellam waste..vandhu enga vazhila vandhu seru..enga kadavul thaan unnai kaappaaththuvaar" nu sollum podhu thaan pirachanaye thodangudhu ;)

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ada pongappa, what is your cultural identity. Anyone thinks they can answer that?
Just a few days back equa talked about the humility to not presume on behalf of nature. This seems to be episode 2 in that

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Plum,

I think you are the moderator who deleted my messages.
That is ok. But after deleting my "irrelevant" messages, on what basis are you posting your question on the same topic ? Be fair sir please...

I can agree that we can discuss this through private messages, as this is a musical forum only.

raja_fan:
I am moderate but not a moderator. :-)

RS and Plum,

Please check your private messages.

Coming back to music,

I heard that D.K.Pattammal , the carnatic legend who sang "Vaishnava janato.." for IR in Hey Ram passed away today..:(

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

vetti sattayai thookki pottuttu ungalukku pidichcha endha aadayaiyum pottukkalaam..aanaal avan vandhu "un vetti sattai, vaazhkkai murai ellam waste..vandhu enga vazhila vandhu seru..enga kadavul thaan unnai kaappaaththuvaar" nu sollum podhu thaan pirachanaye thodangudhu ;)

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adhey adhey! kadavul thaan prachanaiyey - kadavulai orangatti vechhaley mukkaal vaasi prachanai theerndhudum!

adhey kadavul perai vechutthan 'evolution'aiyey poi/thappunnellaam solli uyirai vaanguraainga - to the extent tat, a Virginia based fundamentalist (Liberty) university is trying to 'teach' its students that dinosaurs lived 2000 years ago, only to justify the creationist view of life as written in one certain religious book - http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchiv...trivial_e.html :roll: :hammer: :banghead:

aanaanappatta americavilayey ippadinnaa, namma orrla ivainga vudura doopukku alavey kidaiyaathu

konjam vitta, tamil mozhi pirappidamey, jerusalem alladhu nazareth appadinnu kooda solluvainga!

yellaam oru desperation thaan

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adhey adhey! kadavul thaan prachanaiyey - kadavulai orangatti vechhaley mukkaal vaasi prachanai theerndhudum!

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Kadavul concept enbadhe oru evolution thaan..adhai neenga onnum seiyya mudiyaadhi..orankattiyum vaikka mudiyaadhu..

Mozhinaala pirachchanai vandhaa thamizhai orangatti vachiruveengalaa ? avanavanukku avanavan mozhiyum madhamum mukkiyamnu ninaikkanum. maththavan veetla mookka nozhaikka koodadhunnu ninaikkanum. Adhu thaan theervu.

madham enbadhu nalla vishayangal ulladhu. adhukku kattu padum podhe ivlo pirachchanai naa, adhu illai naa eppadi irukkum ? ;)

Science kooda thaan pala pirachchanai..War, destruction , pollution etc etc..adhukku enna solreenga..

Using typical Project Manager's lingo, can I request people to take the current religious discussions 'offline':) I am sure these are something everyone is interested in and has strong views but this is 'beyond the scope' of this thread :)

Let us have the team members giving us updates on what is happening on 'Chal Chale', 'Pazhassi Raja', 'Madhiya Chennai' etc. Those going off tangent will be given a 'Need Improvement' in their appraisal :)

Sureshs65,

In Nayagan's lingo
avangala vida sollunga..naan vidaren :)

I wish IR stop wearing his 80's cap.
Listening to Valmiki or azhagar malai..i feel like I got transported back to 80's,,,the only missing thing is the tunes are not as mesmerising as back then.
I dont know how his recent other non tamil songs are...???
You folks here were singing praise about the abovementioned 2 film songs for past few months. I only listened to them recently and utterly dissappointed.Except for 1 or 2 songs the others were average IMO.IR's 70's songs are different from his 80's songs; and his early 80's songs different from his late 80's song,,so on,,My point is this genious always had innovation in his mind.If I were to meet IR I would say ' Please dont make songs like eighties,,we have hundreds of hits from the past if we want those' GIve us innovative new songs,,with new fusion /arrangement,,the way you always do back in your heyday. And now you got lesser assignment please concentrate a bit more on arrangement and mixing ; at least on few selected assignments.

Chelian, I think you are influenced by the current trend and want IR to keep up. Problem is IR is considered music god and has already done what these youngsters today are doing in his own style. Asking him to reinnovate when he has already done everything is like a mockery of his legacy.

All he needs to do now is to release his long pending symphony or come up with a experimental non-film album. Otherwise the rest we will take it as they come like always.

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Using typical Project Manager's lingo, can I request people to take the current religious discussions 'offline':) I am sure these are something everyone is interested in and has strong views but this is 'beyond the scope' of this thread :)

Let us have the team members giving us updates on what is happening on 'Chal Chale', 'Pazhassi Raja', 'Madhiya Chennai' etc. Those going off tangent will be given a 'Need Improvement' in their appraisal :)

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oh, oh, neengaLUmA? Prabhu Ram, ivarum namma settu :-)

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Originally Posted by Plum

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Using typical Project Manager's lingo, can I request people to take the current religious discussions 'offline':) I am sure these are something everyone is interested in and has strong views but this is 'beyond the scope' of this thread :)

Let us have the team members giving us updates on what is happening on 'Chal Chale', 'Pazhassi Raja', 'Madhiya Chennai' etc. Those going off tangent will be given a 'Need Improvement' in their appraisal :)

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oh, oh, neengaLUmA? Prabhu Ram, ivarum namma settu :-)

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enna settu periya shaving settu :D

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Using typical Project Manager's lingo, can I request people to take the current religious discussions 'offline':) I am sure these are something everyone is interested in and has strong views but this is 'beyond the scope' of this thread :)

Let us have the team members giving us updates on what is happening on 'Chal Chale', 'Pazhassi Raja', 'Madhiya Chennai' etc. Those going off tangent will be given a 'Need Improvement' in their appraisal :)

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Oh Madhya Chennai-nu oru padam pandraara?
Karthik did Singaara Chennai
Yuvan did Chennai-28

Chelian,
Let me add to Hulkster's point with some examples - haven't you listened to completely bassline driven songs like germaniyin, ilamai enum poongaRRu ? Almost rhythm looped songs like meen kodi thEril ? unique rhythm arrangements like poongkathavE etc ..
So to IR who is focussed more on basics/classic approach to music, just giving different rhythm arrangements or new sounds is not really challenging. Songs like from Guru(malayalam) are probably his passion.
Even though I like the new songs I dont think it is a big deal for him to do these. There are some innovative things in these albums but not really that big. I am excited because they are still fresh and keeps IR in the fray. This will help in selling any new non-filmy works.

When ever I hear this piece, i can only think of one...IRish...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QStm3ZyzgY0

About non-telugu music directors:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/E...ow/4795301.cms

"...Ilayaraja was one of the few Tamil composers who had a dream run in Tollywood for two decades..."

"... Director Sridhar Reddy says, “Unlike other composers, Telugu-speaking composers will have an edge due to their command over the language,” and feels Ilayaraja and MSV survived because they could get the Telugu flavour in their compositions..."

thanks,

Krishnan

'survived'-A? Boss, IR ruled Telugu FM for a decade at least. The telugu nativity in his music is astounding - as suresh65 and myself have discussed in these threads many times before. And we are not even discussing the distinct aspects differentiating the godavari twang and the telengana thunder. Nobody outside the respective native states got Karnataka and andhra pradesh better than IR.

Very true Plum. For the past week or so I have been listening to the FM in Bangalore hoping I would catch one of the songs of Prem Kahani. (They did broadcast one song). What I was surprised when I listened to the new Kannada songs is that how well Raja has understood the current trend and has tuned his songs keeping this trend in mind and also ensuring they have his stamp. 'Rangu Rangu' is a classic example. By the looks of it, it is bound to become a chart topper here.

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'survived'-A? Boss, IR ruled Telugu FM for a decade at least. The telugu nativity in his music is astounding - as suresh65 and myself have discussed in these threads many times before. And we are not even discussing the distinct aspects differentiating the godavari twang and the telengana thunder. Nobody outside the respective native states got Karnataka and andhra pradesh better than IR.

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True. infact, his music is different for all the 4 southern states. Yes, commonalities are there, but still, i see those differences.. in reflecting the ethos of those regions. Only IR did it.

http://cablesankar.blogspot.com/2009...galu-2007.html


aa dinagalu movie review, read the comments too

good news at last nandhalala trailer in theaters

http://truetamilans.blogspot.com/200...post_8855.html

டிஸ்கி : இடைவேளைல போட்ட ‘நந்தலாலா' திரைப்படத்தின் டிரெய்லரை பார்த்தவுடன் ‘மிஸ் பண்ணவே கூடாத படம் அது' என்பது புரிந்தது.. காத்திருப்போம்..!


Read more: http://truetamilans.blogspot.com/200...#ixzz0MEZDYA0a

Timothy Madhukar, who has been part of Chennai’s best-known rock bands, in his interview to Metro Plus, says, " I had grown up on music from here. Ilaiyaraja still continues to baffle me. How did he do one or two songs a day for 20 years". http://www.hindu.com/mp/2009/07/25/s...2550561200.htm :)

Kamal has met myskin and Ameer and wanted to do a film with both of them. Also, after yogi...ameer is starting kannabiran and the next would be with vikram. I dont know how many projects would involve IR in this. He has to break open and try to compose and an instrumental one

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Originally Posted by K

http://www.nakkheeran.in/users/frmArticles.aspx?A=2813
இளையராஜாவுடன் எப்படி நட்பு ஏற்பட்டது? "திருவாசக' சிம்பொனித் திட்டம் எப்படி உருவானது? அதில் ஒரு கோடி ரூபாய் இழப்பு ஏற்பட்டதாக வெளியான தகவல்கள் உண்மைதானா?

""ஒரு கோடி ரூபாய் என்பது தவறான தகவல். எழுபத்தியிரண்டு லட்ச ரூபாய் கடனாளி ஆக வேண்டிய சூழல் ஏற்பட்டது.

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How many times have me and many others given suggestions to market the same and we did also give a rough price estimate...all those fell on deaf ears...just check the yahoo grps and i have suggested so many ideas to sell the same. The group had closed ideas and of course jalaras as usual...terribly sick of these things..

If they continue like this ...then i will be forced to believe that symphony was to be released twice once with pyramid and once with sony but both failed because of price reasons.....On April 14 a decade even the hall was booked and john scott also was invited...he too agreed

I dont know where to go and bang my head...once side i am seeing devotions towards great souls by him and the other side news like this......the final conclusion

HE IS A MUSICAL GENIUS........................................l will not cross boundaries ............

Maestro has signed yet another Telugu film:
http://www.telugucinema.com/c/publis...p_july2409.php
Sounds better than the projects he's chosen in recent past in Telugu.

Teja

Any news on the Singeetham's Tyagarajar movie?

Bala

Kamesh,
I don't think it is right to blame others for TIS's commercial success/failure. I dont think Rahman attributes his winning the Oscars to anybody else. He had a game plan, a business plan and worked towards it. IR's business model did not scale beyond old/haphazard business environment of Kodambakkam. He is a musical geniues but his business savviness has not moved beyond the cine music industry.

kiru - IR and business savvy ??? i doubt if he is even savvy within the cine industry - savvy professionals do not quarrel with people in the same field!

besides his musical talent, his PR etc etc are an absolute zero

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i doubt if he is even savvy within the cine industry - savvy professionals do not quarrel with people in the same field!

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At least till he established himself as the 'mudi soodA mannan', he should have been quite biz savvy as otherwise it would have been very difficult to move up, given his background.

Also he is still doing movies (if not in TN where he wants YSR / KR to come up and not compete with them) in MFM / Kannada etc. In addition, running a team for this many years calls for certain non-music skills that he definitely has.

As Kiru said, it's quite limited though (unlike his musical expertise which is much greater).

I think IR and ARR are so fundamentally different in many aspects that has played a major role in ARR going international(apart from arriving at the right time of economic liberalisation and boom of tv channels) and IR staying with South India. You can infer from the interviews of both. While ARR clearly says that a good director/producer team will inspire him to work harder to give better music and that he likes to choose his projects based on that. Now for IR have we heard him say anything remotely similar? he always says i just give music which comes to my mind during composing whether the dir is Maniratnam or P.Vasu. While ARR is always planning and anlayzing projects before accepting them. IR does what comes to his mind at that time does not seem to have any planning or strategizing mindset(maybe due to the generation and background in which he grew up?). I think that approach made him do so many movies during his peak that he never had time to think beyond film music except for the two non film albums he was able to churn out. The symphony would have changed all that , but due to his or others fault it got botched and thus ended his attempts to get global recognition. TIS is the same story. He just needs to get a good team and leave the PR and marketing to them and just compose music and hand it over to them. they say geniuses are all a little crazy and very instinctive. IR is certainly in that category.

http://www.frontline.in/stories/20090814261609900.htm

Article on DKP

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Even more remarkably, even at 80, DKP could deliver what the music director wanted. Vijay Siva tells an amusing story of how Ilayaraja and Kamalhaasan carted recording equipment to her home and had her sing Vaishnava Janato for the film Hey Ram (2000). Told that the song was to be played at Gandhi’s death in the film, the redoubtable lady resorted to emotional recall to add sigh and sob at appropriate intervals! When asked if she was happy with the result, she shot back: “No. Even if you record it five times I will still remain dissatisfied.” Finally, she beamed a smile at Kamalhaasan and remarked, “I know you. You did so well in that Kannamma film!” The actor stopped in his tracks to return to his 1960 debut as a child artiste in Kalathur Kannamma.

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I think the problem of us fans is we want IR to get global recognition(incl me) and as a result makes us conclude that his TIS was a failure in such a sense. But i think IR's purpose was not to get a award for TIS but rather bring it to the public in a format where they will like and yet understand its full meaning(Thiruvasagam by itself is abit dull despite its literary strength). And he did achieve that quite well.

We have to stop putting IR as a failed businessman and stuff like that as in the first place he never liked such stuff. His life is about music and only revolves around it. That he only did the italy concert after the organiser said the proceeds will go to charity is a proof. And most collaborations happened if he felt there was a challenge and he wanted to bring it out or people came looking for him.

Just listen to the Vaalmiki audio release video again, you can see the way he sees such things.

Hulk,
TIS - The people who put in money lost. It was supposed to be a cross-over album and hence the goal was to get recognition. It didn't get that sort of recognition that you,me,IR, producers would have hoped for. If that doesn't count as a failure, then somebody has changed the meaning of the word (i'm not talking about the quality here and how a monumental success it has been for us fans)

This has again come to IRvsARR and as much as i wouldnt like to precipitate it further, i can't resist replying to this

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Originally Posted by rprasad

I think IR and ARR are so fundamentally different in many aspects that has played a major role in ARR going international(apart from arriving at the right time of economic liberalisation and boom of tv channels) and IR staying with South India. You can infer from the interviews of both.

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1. Its not all about PR, media, etc - Results also matter
2. It was not merely a matter of IR "staying with South". He did venture up north but didn't taste much success, irrespective of the music he gave

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Originally Posted by crajkumar_be

Hulk,
TIS - The people who put in money lost. It was supposed to be a cross-over album and hence the goal was to get recognition. It didn't get that sort of recognition that you,me,IR, producers would have hoped for. If that doesn't count as a failure, then somebody has changed the meaning of the word (i'm not talking about the quality here and how a monumental success it has been for us fans)

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I think his goal was to reach all tamil-speaking people mostly youths and get them to listen to it which worked. Commercially i am not aware of details but i feel that in terms of recognition in that manner it did manage to come off. There were also reports about temples playing TIS

Regarding commercial success. i am not sure which source to believe. The initial news reports were saying it managed to sell atleast 10 lakhs and also stating it was a grand success but after that things came out regarding the wellgate controversy and about the NRI matter. Dunno which to believe. :?

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Originally Posted by Hulkster

I think his goal was to reach all tamil-speaking people mostly youths and get them to listen to it which worked.

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Appadiye vechukkalaam (assuming for argument that reaching a cross-over audience was never an objective). How many Tamil speaking young non-IR-fan people that you know bought and liked TIS? Enakku therinja varaikkum (friends circle relatives etc) they didn't care much. I used to distribute CDs and urge them to listen. Nothing happened. Either musically that wasnt in their range or it was a religion/caste/tradition based wall of prejudice and that stopped them from liking the album

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Originally Posted by Hulkster

Commercially i am not aware of details but i feel that in terms of recognition in that manner it did manage to come off. There were also reports about temples playing TIS

Regarding commercial success. i am not sure which source to believe. The initial news reports were saying it managed to sell atleast 10 lakhs and also stating it was a grand success but after that things came out regarding the wellgate controversy and about the NRI matter. Dunno which to believe. :?

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Hulk, the point is, you always take the line that "IR never cares about this, that" etc as though there were no objectives and the results have no bearing etc etc.. adha thaan address panren..