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Dear Sudhama Sir
Of course, there is no adharma in itQuote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Even in his Sacrifice towards such a NOBLE-CAUSE on one side ..OK
that was exactly my point, how does one decides what is dharma in a situation like that (Dharma Sankatam), does the situation, environment and circumstances play a part in it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
sorry, but who killed, his own son? :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
"Raghu"]
// Sudhaama :-- But at WHAT COST?... There arises the Question of DHARMA- SANGATAM .. a Clash between Two sorts of Dharmas. Which one to be PREFERRED?//
// Raghu :-- that was exactly my point, how does one decides what is dharma in a situation like that (Dharma Sankatam), does the situation, environment and circumstances play a part in it? //
It is very Simple… Keeping the Mind (Heart) and Wisdom at equal plane of Yardstick we have to measure the Pros and Cons of a Problem evaluating on the basis of One after another Dharma … one after another imagining ourselves in the other man’s position also… so to say by the Moral-approach. We can easily get an Answer… which Dharma-criteria… is preferable under a particular situation.
Some such situations do arise in our day to day life to a lighter or heavier degree time to time.
For Example…imagine..
You’re the responsible G.M of a Major Company… suddenly you get a call from your boss at another Country … to start immediately by next flight… for attending a Crucial-meeting… for which all concerned feel your personal presence and participation… is quite imperative and inevitable
Whereas on the same day… you have already planned to receive your prospective Son-in-law from Overseas …a long awaited guest… of highly competitive offers…
What will you do… since you are caught in between Two parallel Dharmas… one the Official-duty and the other your Family duty… especially your daughters Future…her married life… under such dilemma… depending upon the circumstances you may decide.by preferrence.
But if thesituation is such that in one of the cases… some eventuality of Sin is attached… that one has to least preferred… How ?
An Orphan boy got his life shaped by a … Rich man…. Which lead him to become the Senior Police officer at the same Town… So the Boy takes a Vow that he will pay back to the Rich man… for the Gratitude in his future.
But surprisingly…One day that Rich man is caught Red-handed by the Police-Officer… with a clear proof for his anti- national activities… a serious Crime deserving the worst punishment for any Criminal… What should the Boy do ?
Should he forego his Police-duty and pay his gratitude by helping a Criminal to escape?... A case of Dharma-Sangatam.. In brief…
(1)Swaya-Dharma: One’s own interests… the Basic, Elementary Dharma…
(2)Griha-Dharma: Duty to Family interests, Wife and Children – Higher to (1)
(3)Pithru-Dharma… Duty to Parents… Greater than 1 & 2
(4)Karthavya-Dharma:- Duty to Profession… Greater than.. 1 to 3
(5)Samaaja-Dharma … Duty to the Society… Greater than 1 to 4
(6)Raja- Dharma: Duty to Motherland.. Living Country & Rulers :- Greater than 1 to 5
(7)Sathya / Deva-Dharma… Moral-Code. .Duty to God : GREATEST of all
// "Sudhaama… "There only Karna. SLIPPED and committed a BLUNDER of ANTAGONISING Dharma… Can anybody kill his own Son. UNJUSTLY?....just to save his Sheep ? //
// Raghu :-- sorry, but who killed, his own son? :shock //:
It is only an Analogy… imagining one’s own Two sorts of Possessions under jeopardy… when he has an option to retain only one amongst the two…either the Sheep or his own Son… which is GREATER for him amongst the Two.?
The next important Questions
(1) Just because Duryodhana gave the Deserted … Forsaken. Karna a Helping hand … a Succour at his crucial moments of dire crisis .
Did Duryodana deserve to be Karna’s Friend with the Consequence of Paying a HEAVY PRICE by Self-sacrifice and the further worst for Karna ?
(2) Why Duryodana supported and helped Karna... contrary to all others?... Was it for rendering Justice to him?.. Kind-hearted?... Sense of Friendship?
Dear Sudhama Sir,
Your posting on different types of Dharma was highly informative, thanks a lot
Duryodhana never deserves friend like KarnaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Never, it is for his own selfish reason, he wanted some one to defeat Arjuna as Defaeting Arjuna was like Defeating the Pandavas, he found the perfect warrior for that, hence he used the situaution wisely, was Shakuni behind this wise decision, I don't think duryodhana was wise or cunning enough to make decisions like this :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhaama
Sudhaama Sir
Thanks for your posting on various types of dharmas.Nice to know that Swaya dharma is the least important
I did not know there were this many types Dharmas' :roll: :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by viggop
Lord Krishna has been cursed by a Rishi called Uttang, did any one know this, after the war is well and over, Lord Krishna Returns to dwarakai, on the way he encounters couple of demons, after destroying them, he hears the Meditation vibration of Rishi Uttang, so the lord stops and pays him a visit, the Rishi gracefuly recieves the lord with great love and affection, but the rishi suddenly found out that Lord did not stop the Mahabharatha battle, he curses the lord, the rest tobe continued on Monday.
I will tell you what the curse is after watching Ramanand Sagar's Krishna today,....
Sudhama sir,
so when you are in a dharma sankatam, you choose higher type of dharma, right?
Which category did Karna's dharma fall into?
thanks
"Raghu"
// "viggop".... Sudhaama Sir...Thanks for your posting on various types of dharmas.Nice to know that Swaya dharma is the least important//
// I did not know there were this many types Dharmas' ://
NOT .only..." There.... WERE... "... "But... THERE ARE ...". Existing Now too...
.. 32 (Thirty-Two) Varities of Dharmas... prescribed by the Vedic- Dharma- Sasthras.. which were sincerely adopted by the Ancient Indians ... several thousands of years back itself...
... while the rest of the world... is understood to be comparatively far behind in Culture as well as Human Emanicipation and Advancement... ..
... by which News...the Advanced standard of Indian Culture OVERWHELMIMG .... all other World Human-Cultures can be understood and discerned properly....
... so appreciated by the Non-Hindu overseas Research Scholars
... Especially they wonder that such an advanced Healthy mind Indian people of yester-era had ....
.. so that there is also one Dharma.. exclusively towards NURTURING other Creatures like Ants, Snakes, Crow and such other petty creatures as well...
...apart from patronising... Nature... like pouring water to at least one SHADE OR FRUIT-GIVING Tree every year...
... .a..." LIVE AND LET LIVE POLICY".... by Co-Operation with Nature.
Out of such prescribed Dharmas I have mentioned here only the Seven -Dharmas...the Salient ones... relevant to the context.
Dharma means ... ARHAM ... in Tamil, the high and uncompromisive HUMAN-VALUES ...
... which has been accentuated ... all through the various Tamil- Scriptures.. irrespective of Religion... more than the Overall Indian Vedic Culture.
Raghu
Lord Krishna wanted the war to happen.He did everything for that.What was the curse of the rishi on Krishna? I'm curious to know.
Friends,
I have one sincere request. Please do not pass remarks on the 2 epics - Ramayana & Mahabharatha. They are not just stories but acts that are ingrained in the faith of the devout hindu.
Qs like whether Lord Rama was right in klling vaali from behind a tree, whether Lord krishna did the right thing by covering the Sun & assisting Arjuna in killing abhimanyu's slayer are superfluous. Every act has a reason.
Dr.Rajagopa;lachari rightly remarked that these epics are like mother's milk & beyond any human questioning.
I hope the readers consider the sentiments of many others like me & desist from passing judgements.