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jaiganes, you dont have to rack your brains so much on my posts. My point or my opinion is(and has always been) pretty simple, that for a stretch in the late 80s, IR accepted a lot of bad movies and gave bad music.Although, he might have still been the numero uno then. Where did I say that somebody else was doing a better job at that time? It is a figment of your imagination. Who is Raveendran? the mallu MD? you must be crazy. He hasnt done more than 3 or 4 films in TFM. Did you see me favouring TR or Chandrabose over IR at any point of time. In fact the whole discussion by Music4ever was about how there were no good MDs besides IR to push him in the late 80s. My comparison with MSV was to show that MDs in the past had been able to do 15-20 films/year and give good music at a high percentage.Not just MSV, many old HFM MDs too.
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Members Pl concentrate on IR"s composing skill.Dont take diversion pl!!!!! Readers we want to read about IR"s music.Not the arguments in this page. I think you are understanding me!!!! the songs told in this thread had a great work.Purindhavargaluku than puriyum.
With Love,
Usha Sankar.
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VKrish, thanks my friend for that article!
They have mentioned 'maan kanden maan kanden...'by KJJ,Vani from Rajarishi! what a classical piece from Raaja. Yes, its a classic example of tabla,classical raaja song. I am vaguely remembering the song, its been long i heard that, I prelude starts with Vani's humming,a flute melody followed by Kjj's singing the pallavi 'maan kanden...' the first interlude has a great violin works, second interlude is very enchanting with KJJ's humming and a chorus(?) , This song is in my blood! What can i say? Ilayaraaja is genius!
Great Day! love, vinu.
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//Digression - vijayr. you are right. I have not heard some of the duds of 1987. I agree that they may not be good. But whichever MD , who has given such songs of the movies I had mentioned in my list in the same period is a genius in my opinion. BTW, "yetham aiyya" is just not mediocre. The charanam has very interesting twists and believe me, only chitra could have done justice to this not so easy song to sing. I rank this higher than another similar teasing folk duet from IR's early 80's "arisi kuthum akka magalae"
For others, I list some of the good melodies from 87 and you can judge for yourself
Aanand - aaraaro, thodaatha thaalam, I want to tell u, poovukku poovaana
Chinna Kuyil Paattu - I remeber a very melodious solo by Chitra "unnai thaane ninaithene"
Chiraipparavai - Has a fantastic karaharapriya raaga based duet "aanandham pongida pongida"
Enga Ooru Paattukkaaran - shenbagame, madura marikozhundhu, azhagi nee perazhagi
Iniya Uravu Poothathu - has a beautiful hamsanandhi based duet Oh poomalai
Kaadhal Parisu - kaadhal maharani - a grandiose orchestration
Manadhil Orudhi Vendum - kanaa varuvaaya, sanga thamizhe
Nayagan - nee oru, then pandi, naan sirithaal
Ninaive Oru Sangeetham - pagalile oru nilavinai, yetham iyaa yetham
Paadu Nilave - malaiyoram veesum kaatru, paadungal paatu paadungal( a good kalyani ), vaa aruge iLlam poonguyile another classy composition . Listen how Raja has used a soga subapanthuvaraaLi scale to an upbeat competition situation and how SPB and Chitra excel in the vocals.
Per Sollum Pillai - for its orchestration
Poo Vizhi Vaasaliley - oru kiLiyin thanimaiyile, Chinna chinna rojapoovae, pattenge
Puyal Padam Pattu - vel muruganukku
Rettai Vaal Kuruvi - kannan vandhu, raja raja chozhan
Theertha Karayinile - rajasaranam, I know atleast 3 good melodies here. [kotti kidakkudhu(watch out for KSC's singing in this sudha dhanyasi scale song), vizhiyil pudhu kavidhai padithen with a different sandham and rythm arrangement, theertha karai orathile
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//Digression - vijayr. you are right. I have not heard some of the movies of 1987. I agree that they may not be good. But whichever MD , could give such songs of the movies I had mentioned in my list in the same period is a genius in my opinion. BTW, "yetham aiyya" is just not mediocre. The charanam has very interesting twists and believe me, only chitra could have done justice to this not so easy song . I rank this higher than another similar teasing folk duet from IR's early 80's "arisi kuthum akka magalae"
For others, I list some of the good melodies from 87 and you can judge for yourself
Aanand - aaraaro, thodaatha thaalam, I want to tell u, poovukku poovaana
Chinna Kuyil Paattu - I remeber a very melodious solo by Chitra "unnai thaane ninaithene"
Chiraipparavai - Has a fantastic karaharapriya raaga based duet "aanandham pongida pongida"
Enga Ooru Paattukkaaran - shenbagame, madura marikozhundhu, azhagi nee perazhagi
Iniya Uravu Poothathu - has a beautiful hamsanandhi based duet Oh poomalai
Kaadhal Parisu - kaadhal maharani - a grandiose orchestration, koo koo
Manadhil Orudhi Vendum - kanaa varuvaaya, sanga thamizhe
Nayagan - nee oru, then pandi, naan sirithaal
Ninaive Oru Sangeetham - pagalile oru nilavinai, yetham iyaa yetham
Paadu Nilave - malaiyoram veesum kaatru, paadungal paatu paadungal( a good kalyani ), vaa aruge iLlam poonguyile another classy composition . Listen how Raja has used a soga subapanthuvaraaLi scale to an upbeat competition situation and how SPB and Chitra excel in the vocals.
Per Sollum Pillai - ammammaa for its orchestration
Poo Vizhi Vaasaliley - oru kiLiyin thanimaiyile, Chinna chinna rojapoovae, pattenge
Puyal Padam Pattu - vel muruganukku
Rettai Vaal Kuruvi - kannan vandhu, raja raja chozhan
Theertha Karayinile - rajasaranam, I know atleast 3 good melodies here. [kotti kidakkudhu(watch out for KSC's singing in this sudha dhanyasi scale song), vizhiyil pudhu kavidhai padithen with a different sandham and rythm arrangement, theertha karai orathile
Velaikkaaran - vaa vaa vaa, uyirai thaa un uyirai thaa.
Here there are about 34 memorable songs by IR in 1987 which can fill few casettes. I care two hoods even if there are thousand junk songs an MD should give if he or she could provide me these goodies in a single year.
vijayr, we prefer to concentrate on these 34 (nothing short of gems) than harp on the missed ones.
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vijayr
just interested in one thign - according to one estimate, MSV is said to have composed around 1000+ movies. Now, lets say thats an exaggeration. Say it is 700.
How many movies can we list as absolute classics?
50?100?200? I would say 100-200 from my knowledge. What is your number based on your knowledge?
Somehow, I think just because we were around 1980-2005, and know Raja's duds crystal clear, we are straight away thrashing hin in comparison to yester year's md's. Only people who were around at that time can tell us whether a large percentage of their deliverables at that time were not duds.
Even fi you now come and say "I know the complete list of MSV movies and believe me, 60% of them are good", I will have my doubts because there are claims and counter-claims all along and we really dont know who has the correct information about discography of artists.
I wonder if someone could list down MSV's movies and say with convction "See there , there are 600(or 700 or 2000, whatever) movies, and wont you agree with me , 500 of them are great and these are those 500 movies!"!!!!
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vijayr
just interested in one thign - according to one estimate, MSV is said to have composed around 1000+ movies. Now, lets say thats an exaggeration. Say it is 700.
How many movies can we list as absolute classics?
50?100?200? I would say 100-200 from my knowledge. What is your number based on your knowledge?
Somehow, I think just because we were around 1980-2005, and know Raja's duds crystal clear, we are straight away thrashing hin in comparison to yester year's md's. Only people who were around at that time can tell us whether a large percentage of their deliverables at that time were not duds.
Even fi you now come and say "I know the complete list of MSV movies and believe me, 60% of them are good", I will have my doubts because there are claims and counter-claims all along and we really dont know who has the correct information about discography of artists.
I wonder if someone could list down MSV's movies and say with convction "See there , there are 600(or 700 or 2000, whatever) movies, and wont you agree with me , 500 of them are great and these are those 500 movies!"!!!!
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thumburu, once again barring 1 or 2 albums no album from 1987 stands complete and warrants comparison with earlier soundtracks like Johny, Nizhalgal etc. You have listed isolated songs scattered over several movies. I have listened to all of them. But most of these albums had just those 1 or 2 good numbers with the rest forgettable. Some albums didnt have a single noteworthy number.
rajdes, atleast for the 50s/60s there existed a list, it was in TFM pazhaya paadal pakkam earlier on and elsewhere. The dhandams would be less than 10%. Although finding the distinction betweena good song and a classic is highly subjective, it is easy to spot out the clearly bad songs from any era. There have been many veteran DFers who have been around at that time and who have also later on listened to most songs fromm that era. I have listened to quite a lot myself. MSV's output was less inspired only in the mid-to-late 70s.
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Here is another example, sirayil sila raagangaL
http://www.raajangahm.com/ric/film/FL000705.html
has supposedly 11 songs, remember listening to some of them long time back. Cant remember a single song from this album in the same league as say, "idhazhil kadhai ezhudhum" or"sundhari neeyum". 11 songs-all of them average-to-poor.
And between 1995 and 2005...I rest my case.
Better to get back to the main topic. I'll stop here.
