Islamic Invasions ! Hindus Persecutions !

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Originally Posted by kannannn

Out of curiosity, what is your take on the anti-sikh riots of '84?

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It was meant for sarcasm kannannn. The general tensency of people today is to mix everything in to one perspective and show it as something directed by neighbours on us.....I remember, some "Kashmir Expert" saying that, Kashmir problem is not at all religous.

My message was, "Dont try to neutralize the issues in the name of Secularism". The thread is "Genocide of Hindus" and it is truth. Just by saying, everybody is dying, dont try to show that Hindus are not victims...(This "YOU" is not addressed to Mr. Kannannn".It is addresed to general public) Hindus are victims...for a pretty long time...

Anti-Sikh Riots are equally attrocious. I dont try to precipitate the issue. I consider that discussing that issue in anotehr thread is itself precipitating. (I am not supporting Kalisthan or something...)

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Originally Posted by kannannn

Surya, something you have missed (inadvertently, I hope) in the news report:

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The deceased could not be indentified as reports last came in.

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News reports over the years have made it quite clear that whenever there is an influx (during spring and summer) of militants from Pakistan, there is an increase in terrorist activities. By segregating the dead into Hindus and Muslims, we are playing into the hands of the strategists on the other side of the border. This is exactly what they want. Muslims are as much a target of terrorism in Kashmir as Hindus. Why don't you post something about the self-defence groups in Kashmir villages that fight relentlessly against the militants (sometimes at the cost of the lives of their families).

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Again, Regardless of what my personal ideas are on this, I'm not going to argue that Indian Muslims support these Jehadies, so there in no question of Communal Hatred here. I'm saying that Hindus are the primary target for these attacks than Muslims.

Varnasi Blasts in March 2006 - What are the oods of Muslims Dying?

Last Month, it was 35 hindus that died.

Now, the grenade attack has taken place right at the time of Amarnath Yathra. When Hindus from the whole nation flow into that area.

And you claim Muslims are just as good targets for terrorists as Hindus???

Killing entire villages for voting is Genocide, not denying that, the lives lost in those attacks are both hindus and muslims, but we don't read about bombs planted by Jehadies exploding in a dense muslim populated area, during Ramadan, or any other day, in the papers every other day do we?


Eezhavar,
Thanks mate! :D

srivatsan, surya, this discussion isn't going anywhere. I just have a few questions. Which organisations do you blame for the 'genocide' (atleast for a majority of the incidents)? Who do you think are the members of these organizations? What do you think should be done to avoid such genocide? Maybe answers to these questions will lead to a more constructive debate.

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What do you think should be done to avoid such genocide?

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Stopping the moronic Bus Service between India and Pak would be an excellent start!

I'm not going to answer the other questions, because my views are a bit blunt for this forum.

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Originally Posted by kannannn

A long post wasted on sarcasm :( . What is your point srivatsan? My point is, both muslims and hindus have been targets of terrorism. Perhaps chopping off ears, or killing entire villages for voting in elections don't seem to fall into your category of violence because the victims are muslims?! Maybe the killing of innocent Kashmiri teenagers (and hurried burial) by security forces to increase encounter figures is not excessive, since the victims are muslims?! I condemn any pointed attacks on hindus in Kashmir, but acknowledge that these are results of outside forces trying to ruin communal harmony. How do you fight this? Whom do you blame for this?

Out of curiosity, what is your take on the anti-sikh riots of '84?

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Well said!!!!!

Hmm i don't think arguing a case against Hindu genocide with Surya and Eelavar is easy. 8-)
The main reason is that they are in their late teens or early twenties (i think). I can still vividly remember how headstrong i was with my ideas of feminism, communism and atheism when i was that age and have serious arguments with anyone willing to discuss these issues. :)
But with age and exposure it become clearer to understand the difference between propaganda and real truth. Thats the only hope.
:)

I sincerely hope you are right dsath. We all had our rites of passage. But we also see an increasing number of Togadias and Bin Ladens in our world, who have probably never had the chance to reason their convictions with someone.

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Originally Posted by kannannn

srivatsan, surya, this discussion isn't going anywhere. I just have a few questions. Which organisations do you blame for the 'genocide' (atleast for a majority of the incidents)? Who do you think are the members of these organizations? What do you think should be done to avoid such genocide? Maybe answers to these questions will lead to a more constructive debate.

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I understand....that chumma shouting here is not going to help. I was very sircastic, just to make sure that "the issue is not precipitated". If you are going to ask me which organization or people is responsible, then my blunt answers may not be taken by this forum and many may not accept it and so be it. It is my opinion....and I am convinced.

But if you ask me how to aviod this, I have few political solutions, which is very much possible indeed....

1. Scrap Article 370 from the constitution, there by assuring the Kashmiris and and rest of the Bharatheeyans that Kashmir is an integral part of Bharath.

2. Severe, read it SEVERE, punishment be given to those who indluge is terrorism and abet terrorism. Nothing short of death penalty for indluging in terrorism and minimum 25 years of R.I. or Death Penalty be given to those who abet terrorism in any form. The accused may chose between 25 years of R.I or instant death and no compromice with any form of terrorism.....and many such....

3. Last but not least, shedding the dirty policy of Minority appeasement.

I think, these above said things are not far from practicabilty.

Wha? But what is wrong in what I said earlier? :huh:

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Again, Regardless of what my personal ideas are on this, I'm not going to argue that Indian Muslims support these Jehadies, so there in no question of Communal Hatred here. I'm saying that Hindus are the primary target for these attacks than Muslims.

Varnasi Blasts in March 2006 - What are the oods of Muslims Dying?

Last Month, it was 35 hindus that died.

Now, the grenade attack has taken place right at the time of Amarnath Yathra. When Hindus from the whole nation flow into that area.

And you claim Muslims are just as good targets for terrorists as Hindus???

Killing entire villages for voting is Genocide, not denying that, the lives lost in those attacks are both hindus and muslims, but we don't read about bombs planted by Jehadies exploding in a dense muslim populated area, during Ramadan, or any other day, in the papers every other day do we?

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Seeing the recent attacks by these jehadies, isn't it clear that hindus are more of a target than muslims??

If not, why aren't there bomb blasts during Ramadan, but bombs explode in Delhi during Dewali? :huh:

Is it smart to open a bus route when there are terrorist attack to this magnitude this often? :huh:

Would the US have a bus route with Mexico or Canada, if Mexican and Canadian Terrorists were terrorizing america and killing it's civilians every other day?!

What makes us indians so dumb? (politicians) Or do they even care?

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