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Originally Posted by sriranga
Brilliant discussions so far in this thread :clap: (ofcourse, there are some mindless posts as well :lol:) The general consensus seems to be that excluding creamy layer from reservation is a step in the right direction. I wholeosomely agree with that :notworthy: . And I also beleive that reservation in higher studies is uncalled for. A person completing his degree based on quota system has already had enough support from the government to raise above his socio-economic strata. If at all he needs to progress, he should have developed the necessary skills by then to make the progress. Likewise, if the parents have already enjoyed the benefits of quota system, their descendants should be exempted from further benefits. This is with an assumption that the family is already developed enough and does not fall under the socially backward umbrella. They have received enough help from the society. Period.
One of my classmates in Anna univ was a ST, inspite of his very low marks he got into Anna univ, thanks to the quota system. He drives his car to college everyday, speaks very fluent english (did his schooling in SBOA) and a big bandha sorta guy. Later I came to know that both his parents are doctors. Now I can make a guess how they got doctor seat. If his parents have already benefitted and capable of providing very decent schooling (with all additional tuitioning etc.,) to their child, why should he benefit from quota system once again?
Having said that, I have also seen the other end of the spectrum. Anna univ is a great place to see how the quota system works. Another classmate of mine comes from interior Tamil nadu. His father was a carpenter and unfortunately he had expired by the time my friend finished his schooling. He was the lone supporting hand at home, potentially the first graduate of his bloodline. His english is not great, he could barely pay the paltry college fees of 7K per semester (I forgot to say that the other guy had to only pay 3.5K as sem fee since he was from SC/ST, that's somewhere close to his monthly pocket money :roll: ). With all the terrible schooling in his home town and lack of proper tuitioning and mentoring at home, there is no way he could stand up to the well polished city breds in terms of academic performance. But he (and consequently his entire lineage) got a great chance because of quota system. He has a very sharp and practical brain. In 4 years time he started using computers in hostel and mastered them and in the last two years, he was the "go-to" guy for any comp related doubts in the whole hostel (he was a mech engr mind you).
There were several such visible examples of quota system working as I saw it in AU. And also there were some anomalies as I outlined. Hope this verdict gets implemented and such anomalies are leveled out. :)
Pls excuse the dig..
Thamizh,
I like your signature :) (it interferes with hubbing'num sollalAm :lol: )
where can we get the information of Cut off marks for various communitties? Or pls provide the hint approximately .Quote:
Originally Posted by thamizhvaanan
It is safe to assume All big guns (list includes everyone from suprstar to ultimatestar) don't pay their taxs properly and bully people who try to do their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajithfederer
I just mentioned one example where i am sure what had happened cos a friend of mine took part in the raid :wink:. You are entitled to have your own opinion. :wave:
:lol: True! Aaga motham hub'la konja naal amaidhiya irundha naan unmailaiye vela senji thaan busy aayitenu ellarum nambiduvaanga pola :fishgrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roshan
Joe,
true, when I said low marks I meant relatively low marks. I dunno abt the current scenario, but 4 years back, if one had to get admission into Anna univ mech engg,
for OC they shud have atleast 287 to 290 on 300.
for BC, it was around 282+ i think.
for MBC 270+
for SC/ST, I think cut-off is around 250 ( I think ppl with 240+ cut-off have also made it)
It is not a fixed one, depends upon the performance of students as well as the demand of particular course. For eg, much of the FC community students were looking for a degree in ComSci or ECE, whereas ppl from backward classes were more willing to embrace traditional courses like mech engg. As a result, the cut-off for OC students in Com Sci was very high.
TV, nice post.
But there are arguments "for" reservation in higher education as have been discussed in earlier threads.
Joe, the cutoffs are a function of the extent of competition. My impression is they are likely to be very close for medicine, engineering etc. Whereas for much less sought after courses the range can be disconcertingly wide.
Let me recount a personal experience. A few years back, I applied for my masters in a graduate economic program which is part of Anna University. There were a total of 20 seats. 5 of which were reserved for out of state candidates. Out of the remaining seats - after BC/MBC/SC-ST reservation - only 4 seats were left open.
I remember this clearly because a group of us from the same undergraduate class took the exams. Me and a classmate of mine where among this top 4. Another friend - who was an FCcandidate - came in 15th. So it seemed unlikely that he would make the cut. I was feeling bad because I was reasonably sure I was not going to take my seat (as I had got admission elsewhere - but took up this seat as a hedge till the official admission letter came).
But one of the clauses was that all candidates, regardless of the category should obtain a passing score in the exam. If I remember right, this was 35/100. (The top 4 had scores in the late 80s-early 90s and if I remember right, the BC cutoff was in the early-mid 70s). Now what happened is, except for the BC category, no student from the other categories managed to clear the cutoff. And the number of seats for OC went up to 15 straightaway. So my friend made the cut.
This points to a couple of things: That the quality of economics education - while bad enough in Chennai- was deplorable in the smaller towns. (nearly all those who were selected were from Chennai colleges). Secondly, there is a need for reservation at the higher education level - the BC (reserved, that is) students would not have made it otherwise and hopefully students from other categories will make the mark in subsequent years.
Glance for Medical cut off in 2006
MMC 2006
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OC -294.50
BC -294.00
MBC -293.00
SC -291.00
More details
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/11/stor...1115210800.htm
completely agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
The word 'creamy' is ridiculed as 'kirumi' in TN assembly:-)