India's best actor Prakash Raj

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Originally Posted by Plum

Actually, in music, the situation is reverse, the best in tamil is comparable to best in Hindi. But I feel the averages would be better in Tamil. This is the exact opposite of the movies situation.

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show me one tamil album in 2008 which can equal JTYJN or Jodha Akbar.......

vAraNam Ayiram. Now, you and I may not dig it but definitely, it is equivalent to JTYJN as far as appeal, aesthetics go. Rahman's genius cannot be held against Kollywood.
Actually, subtract Rahman from Bollywood and we'll talk :-)

Actually, give me an equivalent of naan kadavuL(music) in Hindi. VaippE illa, and therein lies a tale...

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Originally Posted by equanimus

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Originally Posted by Plum

Then again, we agreed, for whatever reasons, that they cant make a paruthiveeran. I contend that neither Kashyap, nor Tyrewala, nor the Jab We met kid can write a paruthiveeran

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The reason, as PR contended, is that they wouldn't want to! (Yes, I'm indeed picking on the mention of paruththivIran. :)) But seriously, this is carrying the nativity deal too far without ever wondering whether what we see in our films is authentic. People often don't seem to realise that a filmmaker like Ameer doesn't hail from a village (in fact, I'm willing to stick my neck out and conjecture that the only time he'd been to that village we see in the film is when he shot it!) when they make statements along the lines of "only a director like Ameer could have made such a film." And Sasikumar studied at a boarding school!

[Of course, I'm not saying that it's required for a filmmaker to be familiar or know the place beforehand, rather my point is about the hollowness in the argument that a Kashyap or an Ali can't make a film with as much nativity as Ameer.]

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nalla vElai... bracket'kulla post panneenga :) 1st para'va padichchittu, naan oru 20 line'ku reply type pannittEn :oops:

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Originally Posted by Plum

Well, equa, what if I contend that Ammer/Sasikumar can make a JTYJN but "they wouldnt want to". There is a besant nagar populace that can be tapped right, like the South Mumbai genre in Hindi? But it it too miniscule to bet a movie on so why would boarding school educated Sasikumar make a movie of that sort, or even a Rockford?

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Of course, I'm not arguing that they can't. Wasn't 'mounam pEsiyadhE' set in an urban milieu for instance? My question is the basis on which you argue that an Anurap Kashyap (or even an Imtiaz Ali) can't make a film rooted in nativity.

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Originally Posted by Plum

The answer lies with your post - why does a boarding school educated director feel it safe to tap his rural roots, howsoever feeble roots?

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This is an interesting question. I've no issues whatsoever with conceding that the Tamil filmmakers are more predisposed to set their films in a more rooted milieu. There are other nuances at play here, but yes, one has to credit Tamil cinema for this.

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Originally Posted by Plum

What I find annoying is hiding away hindiwallahs' limitations under "why would they do it?" while simultaneously accusing tamilkaarans of "not being capable of what they havent attempted, lack of evidence be damned".

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Plum, you got me wrong there. I was saying that they wouldn't do it simply because they're clearly capable (as I see it) of doing better!

Actually, musicals educate me on how authentic a rock album is Rock On - because as a film soundtrack, it doesnt appeal to me much, and the only reason I am not stating explicitly my dis-preference for it is the fear that it may have explored rock elements and aesthetics beautifully - and I am certainly not musical enough to know that.

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Originally Posted by Plum

vAraNam Ayiram. Now, you and I may not dig it but definitely, it is equivalent to JTYJN as far as appeal, aesthetics go. Rahman's genius cannot be held against Kollywood.
Actually, subtract Rahman from Bollywood and we'll talk :-)

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:shock: i never knew u hated rahman so much :P :wave:

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Originally Posted by MADDY

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Originally Posted by Plum

vAraNam Ayiram. Now, you and I may not dig it but definitely, it is equivalent to JTYJN as far as appeal, aesthetics go. Rahman's genius cannot be held against Kollywood.
Actually, subtract Rahman from Bollywood and we'll talk :-)

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:shock: i never knew u hated rahman so much :P :wave:

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Yov, Rahman equation-la irundhA, enga side argument weak aavumnu sonnA, thappA purinjikkarInga :(

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Originally Posted by MADDY

ok, u pit ur best and i'll pit my best - lets see who wins

my first choice for music - Rock on
gimme urs :P

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Maddy,
Oh, like that'A? I thought all the songs were passable, except the two female solos ("yeh tumhari meri baatein" and "phir dekhiye") which I really like. Can't say I'm a fan.

What I feel is whatever Bolly is doing now is limited to multiplex movies. There is the odd Love Aaj Kal breaking that barrier but most of the path-breaking movies quoted are "out of mainstream". A JTYJN, well I dont want that sort in tamil, I dont consider it a big loss. Irundha nashtamillai, illainalum nashtamillai.
The only reason to lament tamil viz-a-viz Hindi is the absence of the infrastructure for movies that are doomed to fail but can still release subsidised by other factors(Mithya, Maqbool...)

Luck By Chance - Oh idhellAm dhaan great movies of Bollywood-nA, thanks but no thanks