Cool, I just didnt want to be misinterpreted. I cannot "try and like" music. I gave a fair listen to the IR albums I mentioned, and only Valmiki had appeal. I understand Valmiki also has synth sounds in many places but it appealed while Om Shanti didnt. It is tough for me to go beyond this and appreciate it for "sounds" or "attempts at fusing sounds", even if it is my beloved IR doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
Maddy, Ofcourse I was joking just to highlight how technical music composing has become in recent times.
Also regarding simple music from IR, i did not mean that IR's songs are not complex, i only meant that for commons masses the songs remained simple eventhough lot of complexities existed in the composition itself. The song remained enjoyable for them eventhough complexities existed.
I was just listening to Nilla adhu Vanathu mela from Nayagan. You will not believe that this was the song that made me a fan of IR instantly. before that i was mainly listening to Hindi songs mainly kishore kumar songs and some telugu songs as well. But this song changed my tastes completely. In a way iwas a late entry admirer of IR's music but well caught up now. But this song , has anyone composed a better or more classy kuthu( or an other category this falls into, i am not sure at this time) song than this ? The introduction music, the percussion the interludes the singing they just mesmerize me. Again the music in this song is simple in keeping with the time period of the movie (it is supposed to be 60's or 70's in themovie i think). but what magic IR creates. Even now this sounds so fresh. This song is unmatched i think even now.
It is not about anybody asking me 'Why'. Its about digressions this thread will lead to :P and it was not only about Rahman I meant this post for every other composer. Think of this: when GVP composed for 'Ayirathil Oruvan' there were build-ups leading us to believe it was a gargantuan task to find the old instruments and compose for a period film while Raaja has done it with much ease while composing for 'Andam Kidungidunga' in Devathai or the songs in 'Pazhassiraja'. There were no such 'Difficulty' thrown around, If there were any accolades it will be towards the 'composition' not the 'Process' :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Read the post above!Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemaster1982
rprasad,
One of my friends asked for some Latin American songs for a dance programme. I asked him to Give 'Nila athu Vaanathu Mele' a Listen. After listening to the song, He had difficulty in understanding how a normal 'kuthu' song can have so much of Latino music init. I replied thats Raaja! :)
Maddy,Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
To be honest I have no discomfort in anyone using loops and I enjoy those songs as well. I am fully with you that there is a definite difference between 'loop assemblers' as you call them and other modern day composers. My main problem has been that even those loops / samples / whatever, which are taken from various sources are credited to that particular composer by the general public. Hence my wish that everyone knows where the originality is. If it is in arrangement skills and melody, so be it and we can appreciate it. It is just that it will be good to know what has exactly been the contribution of the music director.
Lot of discussions here but replying to each of them would be boring. (/In Vadivelu style, "yaaruku boring?. Yaarukko" :) ) Boring to those who read it ofcourse :)
I can say that I personally have not found much complexity in the music I hear currently from many of the composers. (I am not trying to say 'complex music' is good music. I am just talking about the way the tune is structured.) To me Raja's tunes still remain the most complex. Even the current ones. I am fully with Jaiganesh when he says that many a time just a few catchy phrases in the whole song is enough to have it repeated ad nauseum on TV and Radio. It is as if the whole song has just one simple idea!!! I find this especially in many of the current Hindi songs which I listen on the FM radio.
Anyway, as Shankar had gently pointed out, maybe we are moving too much away for the 'current albums' thread?
So let me take the responsibility of getting back to the topic of this thread.
What would be the next release of IR (irrespective of Language?)?
And I dont know why the Hindi film SRK is still lying in the cans. Any updates on that?
1. Sketch for love (Telugu) *ing Chetan Kumar, Archana (Expected May 2010)
2. Pen singam (Thamizh) *ing Udhay Kiran, Meera Jasmine (Expected : April 2010)
3. Oh my God (Telugu) *ing Master Kamal, Kriya (Expected : August 2010)
4. Priyathamaa Raave (Telugu) *ing Githan Ramesh, Priyamani (Expected : October 2010)
5. Padiththurai (Thamizh) *ing Arya, Abinaya (Expected : December 2010)
Courtesy : http://popcorn.oneindia.in/
April 2010. Man!!!! thats 4 months away!!!
Punnaimaran,
Pen Singam is by Thenisai Thendral :D
raagas,
By first week of Jan2010 we can Expect the music release of 'Thaandavakone'
4. Priyathamaa Raave (Telugu) *ing Githan Ramesh, Priyamani (Expected : October 2010)
This should be the Dubbed version of the tamil movie MADHU
RS,
That site credited the movie to IR. You are right and thanx for the info. Eagerly awaiting Thandavakkone.
You make ilaiyaraaja sound like some don who has 40 henchmen in his house; i know that you got fustrated by some irresponsible posts here aboutt Rahman, but this is abit too far-fetched. Self-appreciatory yes, there is even a movie titled after him called ilaiyaraajavin rasigai, but all this in great respect of what the man has done and you can see it continuing even today, Not because he wants them in nor because he finances such stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
There is an upcoming film titled "Thirumangalaththu Yaanai" produced and directed by Rajkiran. Any idea on who the MD is??
Enough of Rajkran: I guess he has advertised a lot about of his upcoming movies...and finally they dont even make itQuote:
Originally Posted by Punnaimaran
Met a top man of a channel which telecasted/organised IR's live concert on their channel. They were very close to signing a deal with IR for a series of episodes on TV and he even agreed to judge a competition but the channel is still to come out of the pricing shock which they got and also they say they have to follow IR rules and today's commercial play..sadly things dont work out in such a way
What a bad miss for fans like us.........
romba romba pazhaya news saar neenga solradhu.Quote:
Originally Posted by kameshratnam
some telugu guys tried it and ran away after hearing his price...
I would not like to see him waste his time in the TV when he has million other creative things to do.
BTW - saw AVATAR yesterday and JAmesh horner's use of tribal music is in the same vein as a Ennio Morricone or Raaja - the primal flutes and tribal afro drums - universal cliche I guess...
Raaja is not like a pattampoochi (buttefly) to have one cocoon, once in a lifetime transformation into a genius process. He seems to be like a ever growing snake, varushaa varusham pudhu sattai pudhu dimension apdinnu poittu irukkaar. Indha isai anacondavin pudhu chattai enakku romba pidithirukiradhu....
//JAmesh horner's use of tribal music is in the same vein as a Ennio Morricone or Raaja - the primal flutes and tribal afro drums - universal cliche I guess... //
Avatar's bgm sometimes resembles 'Apocalypto' bgm(both are by james..)
Did u notice it?
(Am i 'in' the subject seniors?)
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Originally Posted by mohanraja
writer jeyamohan has mentioned the influence of the 1986 roland JAffe film The mission on Avatar - there is a stretch of a prelude to the theme of the untamed land of the tribals in Apocalypto and all of them have the same 'grammar' for tribal music - while the western composers stop at a level with the tribal music, Raaja goes neck deep into it and comes up with carnatic and western Classical music counterpoints and harmony points with the tribal music. Ofcourse noone can touch 'Meenkodi theril' and 'Aasaya kaathula thoodhu' when it comes to conveying the tribal setting sonically. However this topic is worth dissecting and analysing in an extensive fashion.
And there are no seniors here and you can pls stop that come back to ground level where we all are.
Here another malayalam movie for Sathyan + Jayram
http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14925226
JG: I am not aware of any thing which u say...but this news is about 3 weeks back...the channel is a tamizh channelQuote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
First Kamal - now IR being talked of about TV shows. ennayA nadakkudhu inga. nejamAvE vevasaayam pArka dhAn pOgaNum pOla :roll:
GREAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by k_vanan
Vinatha.
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Jai,
I too unfortunately watched Avatar yesterday. As you mention, the western music directors have a certain grammar and it is enough for them to just convey to the western audience that what you are hearing is tribal music. No one seems to worry about going beyond that in the movies like Raja has done. Anyway can't blame the MD here since the movie itself adheres to the grammar of formulaic cinema.
மிக சரியான வார்த்தைகள் ஜெய்..
ராஜா tribal music ஐ கையாண்டது போல் எவரும் முயற்சி கூட செய்ததில்லை.
குறிப்பாக 'ராசாவே ஒன்ன நான் எண்ணி தான்' (முரட்டுக்காளை) பாடலை சொல்லலாம். (tribal category இல் பொருந்துமா தெரியவில்லை..) ஆனால் காட்டின் மர்மத்தையும் துணை தேடும் பெண்ணின் எண்ணத்தையும் ராஜா ஒரே நேர்கோட்டில் இணைத்திருப்பார். (உண்மையில் ராஜா போல் உணர்வுகளை இசையாய் மொழிபெயர்த்தவர்கள் யாரும் இல்லை என்றே சொல்லலாம்.)
எதை எடுத்துக்கொண்டாலும் அதன் ஆழம் வரை பாயும் திறமை கொண்டவர் நம் ராஜா. எனவே தான் tribal,folk ,jazz ,.WCM எதுவானாலும் அதில் சிகரம் தொட்டார். (தொடுகிறார் என்று சொல்ல முடியவில்லை!)
ராஜாவின் வருகைக்கு பிறகு எம் எஸ் வி தந்த 'நினைத்தாலே இனிக்கும்' போல் ராஜாவிடம் இருந்து ஒரு பிரவாகத்தை எதிர் பார்த்து கிடக்கிறேன்.
தராமலே ஏமாற்றி வருகிறார் தலைவர்!
(ஜெய் தயவு செய்து என்னை மன்னியுங்கள். நான் வெகு காலமாக உங்கள் பதிவுகளை படித்து வருகிறேன்.
இப்போது தான் இந்த இழையில் எழுதுகிறேன்! )
:P
oh shucks - the same was tried by a telugu channel as well this year. knowing IR's personality I would stay far away from inviting him to any such shows - because there is no talent in TN as far as singing is concerned. I peeked a few times into the super singer like contests it is all ore 'naarasam' more show and less talent. Raaja will not be courteous like SPB to say 'nanna try panneenga'. First episode - total elimination dhaan. HE will be better fit to be the judge in asianet idea super singer where the talent is much better and the orchestra also is superior.Quote:
Originally Posted by kameshratnam
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Originally Posted by Sureshs65
why 'unfortunately'?
I thought that it was a very unique movie experience - one of the freshest movies in terms of experience in recent years
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yesterday Dr L Subramanian introduced Ilayaraaja to a western musician and said " He is the god of music" .....very true sir :D :D :D
2009 ends in a great way...Way to go rasaiyya
DOWN MEMORY LANE
SRINIVASA RAMANUJAM
The Times of India Lakshminarayana Global Music Festival was a memorable occasion for two old friends L Subramaniam and Ilaiyaraaja to catch up on old times. The camaraderie between the two was evident as they discussed music. Why do you have a tissue paper in your hand, we heard Subramaniam asking the maestro, Is it to write a list of your complaints about the concert Introducing the maestro to harmonica player Corky Siegel, L Subramaniam said, Hes the God of music here. A smiling Ilaiyaraaja promptly replied, Youre a musician too. There can be no God of music, because music is God!
See chennai times today
It is well known that thalaivar charges amounts like that to purposely avoid such coverage rather than tell them in their face. He sometimes confuses me when he goes for such complicated decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
One of the channels which have been doing a reality singing show is all set to take off with a grand finale event and for this, they had wanted Ilayaraja to be the chief guest and also play a few songs more like a concert. This was slated to happen for long hours.
However, after showing interest in the concert, Ilayaraja is said to have demanded a whopping Rs 2 crores which gave sweat to the organizers. While some say that he has quoted that figure probably to avoid, the others said that he can say directly instead of beating around the bush in that case
Jai,
/continuing the digression
I thought the movie was boring and quite predictable. The special effects experience was good. Maybe I am not a major movie lover or maybe my experience was less because I watched this movie in 2D.
/ end digression
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Ah, Suresh...watching avatar in 2D is the mistake there :) With 3d it's an experience! No two ways about it. The story is very simple. May be intentionally, because cameron may not have wanted ppl to get thinking about the story and miss all those glorious SFX :)
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mohan raja,
Did you mean "mamEn machAn..." where sumalatha goes looking for Rajnikanth?
raasavE unnai nAn is not from MK, if I remember right.
raasavE unnai nAn is from 'Thanikkattu Raja'