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MADDY - I dont see your appreciation in anyway - blind worship. If Rahman tunes in a crap song - you wouldn't hesitate to call it a trash would you? - you wouldn't say did shankar ganesh not give a crap song - compared to that it is great- kinda arguments - right?
see, everyone has bias in them.......u take any blog, site or any communication channel - u see bias in it.........a reviewer is biased towards a artiste/performer on basis of country/caste/region/language/ or some other influence......it can be pure fanatism as in case of many kamal/rajini fans......this fanatism sometimes is as big as the above factors.........Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
i would call a rahman song trash if it didnt work for me but yea, since i'm a fan of him, most times, i know the perspective with which he had composed it and it becomes to difficult to blame him.......would u call uliyin osai by IR bad?? based on popular opinion, yea, he gave a uninspiring album but thats what the situation demanded........fans look at that perspective as well..........u cant blame it....
ஒரு ரசிகனுக்கும் கலைஞனுக்கும் உள்ள உறவு கலை மட்டும் தான் .அது நியாயப்படி ஒரு சேவை (serve) வழங்குபவனுக்கும் அதை நுகர்வோனுக்குமுள்ள உறவு அளவுக்கு இருப்பது தான் நியாயம் .அதைத் தாண்டி சேவை வழங்குபவரின் தனிமனித பண்புகளையும் சேவையையும் போட்டு குழப்பிக்கொள்ள வேண்டிய அவசியம் இல்லை தான் .
ஆனால் கலை என்று வரும் போது தனிப்பட்ட கலைஞனின் தனிப்பட்ட வாழ்வு கலையையும் பாதிக்கலாம் என்பதால் கலைஞன் மீது ஒரு தனிப்பட்ட அக்கறை ,பாசம் வருவது தவிர்க்க முடியாதது .ஆனாலும் கலை ,கலைஞன் இரண்டிலும் கலையை முன்னிறுத்தி ,கலைக்காக அந்த கலைஞனை நேசிப்பதால் எந்த பாதகமும் இல்லை .
ஆனால் நாளடைவில் கலை பின் தள்ளப்பட்டு ,அந்த கலைஞனுக்காகவே அவன் கலையை விரும்ப ஆரம்பித்தால் அங்கு தனிமனித வழிபாடு ஆரம்பிக்கிறது .இதையும் தாண்டி கலைஞனின் கலை எல்லையைத் தாண்டி அவனின் தனிமனித சமூக ,அரசியல் ,குடும்ப கொள்கைகள் ,கருத்துக்களுக்கும் முழுவதுமாக உடன்பட்டு ,அவனின் கொள்கையே தனது கொள்கையாக , எது வரினும் அந்த கலைஞன் என்ற தனிமனிதனின் ஒவ்வொரு அசைவுக்கும் (கலைக்கு சம்பந்தம் இல்லாத) ஒத்து ஊத வேண்டிய , நியாயம் கற்பிக்க வேண்டுய நிலைக்கு மாறுவது அடுத்த கட்டம் .
அதையும் தாண்டி தன்னிலை முழுவதும் மறந்து கலைஞனின் வாழ்வே தன் வாழ்வாக கொள்வது உச்ச கட்டம் .
நமக்கும் கலைஞனுக்கும் உள்ள உறவு கலை மட்டுமே என்ற தெளிவு வரும் வரை இந்த நிலை மாறுவது கடினமே.
Good post Joe :thumbsup:
god is just a belief each person has which makes him feel like something good is going to happen- a support.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
how can a celeb be a support? i don't get it. he's a normal person like you and me then why is it that people go crazy over him,fight for him and stuff. Education has nothing to do with this. there are even educated people who behave in a very low way when it comes to a person they're a fan(atic) of. spoiling kids in the name of being a theevira rasigan.
Joe - good post :thumbsup:
Jai - IMO Tamil cinema is slowly moving towards story centric movies with such 'independent' films as u say, are seeing a good run. Though movies like Onbadhu roobai nottu etc are not recognized still movies without the usual 'template' are accepted wholeheartedly by the audience, at the same time rejecting rehashed movies.
As for fanatics, its prevelant not only in movies/tamil - its there in sports/politics and most areas and again not limited to tamil. education also aint gonna change it IMO
thamizh cinemavukku vidivu kaalam koodiya seekkiram varum endru enakku nambikkai illai ... pOra pOkka paaththaa innum mOsamaa thaan aayittu irukku.
as a customer, movie fans' requirements are slowly being given blow after blow. cinema is a wonderful medium but politics has taken control of it.
thirudana paarththu thirundhaa vittaal thiruttai ozhikka mudiyaadhu
oh i never knew ARRahman was a normal person like u and me........wonderful......what is "low way" btw??Quote:
Originally Posted by Wibha
i think this will become yet another naan kadavul thread discussions.....there are some wrong assumptions from the "pagathhuarivu side" here:
1. Its the art and not personal character which draws people to a man.......rajinikanth or ajith didnt get fans just becos they were good people, ppl. got attracted to them, and their good behavior is just a value add..........so relationship betn a artist and a fan stays largely "art" and not personal as some think in HUB........
2. converse of it - why shouldnt we support a "criminal" - i mean, if osama bin laden makes a good movie, y shuldnt we appreciate it.......there enters personal perspective......there are people who see cinema people as part of society as well.......jsut like a corrupt politician is stoned by public, if caught (sad it is), a cinemaman with bad behavior will also be criticised......criticism on him based on his wrong public life however shuld be restricted to a social perspective and shuld not let that dominate the view of his product.....but, some people consider, neglecting his product is a token of "disappointment" with his social behavior...........
3. confusion betn real life and cinema life - its a pretty cliched line for educated people atleast for hubbers..........man, do u think a educated rajini fan thinks he can fight off 40 rowdies as he did in sivaji?? or a kamal fan thinks "cancer" can be cured by bullet shots.....or did anyone from a educated family lost career of life because of cinema.....i dont think people confuse cinema life with real life.......atleast educated people.......
4. assumption that jaiganes started for this purpose is wrong....he is peeved with movies getting good reviews just bcos of its fans.......so the line of arguements here are pretty disgressional
i certainly do not encourage fanatism, nobody is more important than urself in ur life but definitely feel education can only bring in this perspective......i'm sure this problem can be eradicated with increase in levels of education..............if someone has a job/career, why would he sit, thinking abt his idol???
maturity
NOV maathi solreengooQuote:
Originally Posted by NOV
Cinema and cine industry ppl have taken control over politics.