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I think this statement is absolutely ridiculous!!! He brings out the best of all the technicians. Infact Madhavan's best performances are from MAni's movies only(Alaipayuthe, KM, AE.....). The only thing with Mani is that ,as far as I know, the technicians (including the lead actors) are paid only half of their regular salary for a movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
I am slightly going to tread controversial terrirtory here.
Madhavan. Made to look different more becoz of Kamal's two movies than Mani's movies.(Anbe Sivam and Nala Damayanthi)
Mani as a last ditch effort begged Madhavan to do the negative role in AE , a role which vikram had earlier turned down. Though Madhavan projected himself with sincerity, Mani made a hash out of that role. His character , one felt was unnecessarily unrepenting, needlessly violent - with no bloody justification. Contrast a similar character from RGV's Sathya or Company. The characters' other side was clearly shown. here madhavan's character was neither a tireless assassin like Terminator nor a gangster with a tender underbelly like sathya. a result is confusion. I wouldn't do such analysis for other director's movies. For someone who is hyped on sensitivity and sensibility - this was a clear letdown . When I say he exploited ARR, again I have to take AE or yuva as an example. The character of Arjun Balakrishnan played by Siddarth and Vivek was one introduced purely to bring ARR's songs into the equation. If you remove that stupid character from the picture you dont lose anything from the script apart from couple of chartbusters from ARR, couple more reasons to sell more Yuva Albums. What did ARR gain by that? He was at that time gasping for more time to do international assignments and had to reduce his involvement in Kisna, which in my opinion would have given him a full super hit if he had been involved fully instead of the dumb Ismail Durbar keeping his left leg in that project. Yuva or AE could have been easily scored by VS or JS or some one else from ARR's school itself. Instead Mani exploited ARR's valuable time on a project that was going on a superfast speed to the dust bin right out of script writer's writing pad. Even now I feel pity that ARR has signed on Guru a movie that can be done without songs with some other music director. ARR's flair is grand musicals and that is not Mani's cup of tea. If Mani had sincerely hoped that ARR is a value add and he should use him poperly then the script should be such. Recently Mani told the world that he wouldn't want to work with Kamal with any other script as he wanted only a script >= Nayagan. I guess, if he doesn't exploit ARR, he would have applied the same logic. Give ARR a script >= Rangeela (musically speaking, not cinematic) then let him collaborate and then I will happily take back my comments. As far as ppl saying Mani is fed up with working in hero centric Kollywood, that reminds me of "sour grapes". He knows what he says doesn't sell as he has ppl like Maddy(actor - not hubber) who is happy to do any role given by him and also Surya (again not hubber). Fact is nowadays actors in Kollywood want either a strong , different character or atleast image boosting fan pleasing heroism. Rendum kettaan stories may be appropriate for Hindi and perhaps that is what Mani is aiming at - Rendum Kettaan.
I started hating Mani right from the moment I saw ET. How dare he visualize a mentally challenged kid like an extra terrestrial which provides amusement to other children. What a perverse visualization that breaks all sensitivity B***S**t angle about Mani's stories. Sorry if any MR fan breaks down crying after reading this post.
jaiganes, u r a surprise to mani's fans just like i'am to kamal fans.....tell u wat even we never thought ARRahman was exploited....guud dimension shown.../..
but i will disagree on Maddy's point.....Madhavan looked the best in alaipauthey and it was infact his ara-loosu role in anbe sivam that dug his grave and we now see no Maddy (xcept in hub :wink: ).......moreover, the same role has transformed Abhishek bachan from a zero to amitabh bacchan in bollywood....wat do u say for that....
reg anjali i have read in cinema xpress mag long back that Mani initially wanted to remake ET........but could not do it and he ended with a rendum kettan movie called anjali......
I agree with u wholly, Jaiganesh ! I always felt that Mani- Maddy term is quite like KB-Kamal (am not placing them at the same pedestal as the latter) ....But Kamal also was somwhat exploited , whereas he got excellent offers from Bharathiraja, K.Viswanath et al., ...Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Maddy should seriously avoid Mani atleast henceforth ! ....
U r indeed a surprise :rotfl: ..... no wonder u find anbarasan as an ara-loosu .... U would b the only one to say this ! ....Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Alaipaayuthey was ok ... But it was the rest of Mani films that actually dug Maddy's grave .... :cry: ... BTW, I feel Maddy "looked" his best in Minnale
Actually I did the opposite (:rotfl:)Quote:
Sorry if any MR fan breaks down crying after reading this post.
AE gave ARR a hit which he was craving for in TFM!! No one ever can extract best music out of ARR other than MR. BR to a certain extent though. MR is materialistic in the success of ARR and vice versa and I dont see any exploitation here..
Maddy, common his best two roles so far were from MR movies.. AP and KM.. He was good in AS too but that ara-llosu thing comes in ND.. where he spoilt his image..
Also I dint see any pervesions in anjali. Thats one of the best movies ever made in TF.. I dint find that thing amusing at all.. Also the movie won international acclaims and was even sent for the oscars
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Originally Posted by jaiganes
You say that AE doesn't have a good script, the characterization is pathetic........ It is acceptable to some extent. But to say that Yuva or AE could've been scored by VS or JS is a bit 2 much. Not that they don't have talent, but we as ARR fans expect something extraordinary everytime thery combine & that 2MR does movies every 2 years and if even that is scored by ARR it will be 2 harsh on us. If AE wasn't done by ARR we wuld've had only 1 album (NEW) that year. :(
ansa! the point that I am trying to make is that AE could have been scored by JS, while ARR could have worked with somebody like Cheran or SelvaRaghavan or better yet, Bala. Even a Murugadoss could have provided ample scope for him to work in a movie with good songs + BGM opportunities. If he works for MR, he will get underpaid to do songs that have the burden of propping up the whole movie, which is what eventually happened to AE or Yuva or Kannathil Muthamittaal. With the products MR has been churning out post Roja, the subjects are as dry as they come and presented in ever more confusing and dry way. Probably it is time for him to retire and visit film festivals around the world as judge.
ARR needs someone who can tap the other side of his music potential. and I am 200 % sure thats not Mani.
the best movies Maddy was offered were Anbe sivam and ND (going by the scope he was offered to perform). Alaipayuthey was ok, in the sense it utilised his charm & looks well. Then Gowtham's Minnale did it too, better than AP . 8-)
:::ARR needs someone who can tap the other side of his music potential. and I am 200 % sure thats not Mani.:::
If not Mani then no one in the WORLD could bring the best out of ARR & do max justice to him in songs picturisation or BGM's. Many would mutually agree & ARR himself admitted it in several interviews.
:::somebody like Cheran or SelvaRaghavan or better yet, Bala. Even a Murugadoss:::
:SHOCK: This has been around for sometime and surprised to hear from JaiG back again. Any collectively formed motive?
One gentleman's quote:
Still :rotfl:Quote:
.........Selvaraghavan = 3/3 success rate which MR can't afford
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I have observed & would like to highlight some interesting picturisations in Dol Dol rap song where he kinda fast fwd the forthcoming scenes (thats how screenplay's gels - maddy's gas cylinder business & the van passing college students, kidnapping female contestants brother etc) in a very very innovative way. But pointless mentioning here
i also think selvaraghavan can bring a new dimension from ARR......but i guess it will never happen as selva will never leave yuvan.....
cheran-ARR can happen......but hell, who says cheran has gr8 musical sense???
bala can also push ARR to a diff level but again he wont come out of IR-family tree......
but i really doubt if anyone can bring better than Maniratnam.....
vaendaamQuote:
Originally Posted by Alien
vaendaam,
valikkuthu (vadivelu style :lol: )
yov vaitherichala kelappatha......after AP, maddy kanna was 3rd in TFI after thala and ghilli.....after minnale he broke into elite crore-salary league, after Anbesivam and ND he is in nizhalgal ravi's league :cry: :cry: ..... eppadi iruntha en maddy kannava ippadi akkitane kattaila poravan.........magane, enn saabam kamalai summa vidaathu....... :lol:
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Originally Posted by MADDY
SHANKAR & BHARATHIRAJA !!!
not better...but OTHER than MR...these people can really bring the BEST from ARR....!!
Hey Guys , why u say Mani is not good directer, chai i am totaly upset
hey Ayutha eluthu enna mathariyana movie, athai poi pudikka villai enru solluringale.
athu theatre-il oda villai enraal , it's means it's not good movie, wooooow After long time i found this one as a good movie. what a natural fight , what a youthfull film.
what a great message. u guys like only Masala movies :(
And About Music, Only Mani can good music From ARR.
after him it's Goutham Menon, if Goutham will do a film, it will be like MAni & ARR combo i hope :)
And Mani he will not doing anymore in tamil and waste his knoladge for tamil peoples.
ethanai peruthan ennnum 'next maniratnam'innu solluvinga??
muthalla,shankar next maniratnam sonnaga,apparam bala,selvaragavan,vishnuvarthan,ippa latest ghautham..ithalurunthu onnu nalla theriyuthu MANIRATNAM IS KING AND LEGEND IN INDIAN CINEMA..
Ya ofcourse, he is king , u see after RDB released, the people say that the director is next manirathanam
why i said Goutham is next coz he is big of fan mani, and his movie look like mani, but more youthfull :)
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Puhleeez. I will book tickets for him to Bombay and let him go beg for call sheets of the best actors in Indian cinema like Ajay Devgan, Abishek Bachan, Bobby Deol and if possible Shakti Kapoor and make timeless classics. I am sick and tired of his over hyped, headache inducing crap movies he has made post 1992.Quote:
And Mani he will not doing anymore in tamil and waste his knoladge for tamil peoples.
i dun think Mani is that bad...but the only movie i enjoyed from him was thiruda thiruda,alaipayuthey & Kannathil....the rest,some scenes were enjoyable...some not...but that doesnt mean he is BAD man... what in his movie/him that actually make u piss off?? is it coz they whisper in the movie rather than talking :lol: or coz they took the movie in caves???[dark] :P
Dinesh!
I can write volumes on why I dislike Maniratnam. However, this is a ARR thread and I dont want to derail it anymore. Probably I would write it in a separate thread. As of now, I stand firm that Mani is no more the director who can extract the best out of ARR and there are plenty of other directors who make earthy and heart touching movies with whom ARR has to start building relationship. Mani fans may deride Bala or Cheran or anybody else. But the fact remains, that these directors (Bala and Cheran) make films from their heart while for Mani it is just a timepass like rich kids playing arcade games. ARR , we all know can create magic with music and trigger strong emotions(Vande Mataram and Bose are classic examples). We need to hear ARR in full force and for that he should collaborate with film makers who have strong conviction like Cheran and Bala. Mani is a spent force and the more ARR drags on with him, more he will feel that he is missing opportunity to work with good directors and fresh scripts. I am doubly worried for the fact that apart from Mani, the only other person with whom ARR is consistently collaborating is the pitiable S.J.Suryah!! Now Mani's creative juices are dipping fast and if ARR looks 4 years ahead, he will be like a stage musician for crap films that SJS makes. Now is the time for him to cut cost and get associated with these honest film makers of Kollywood. Hindi film industry as we know is low in taste (atleast musically) and North-South divide also will mean that low life MDs like Ismail Darbar will cry and shout and create controversies about ARR. So overall aspect also ARR has to free himself from the exploitative clutches of Mani and chart a new phase in his creative career.
naan maniratnam's verithanamana rasigan.i love's his all films.he his a trendseter of indian cinema.ipadi sollikite pogalam..maniratnam pidikathavangga naan nenekkiren ramarajan or ramanarayanam films pudikkuminnu..i think jaiganes ramarajan and ramanarayan hardcore fan..romba bad taste ta irukke....ore comidia irukku ugga comment.
Puhleez Anand!!!
Dont compare Mani with rama Narayanan. Atleast RN understood who his audiences are and provided solid entertainment to them(Snake giving letter, typing in typewriter etc.,). As much as you try hard to discredit RamaNarayanan, he is among pioneers of science fiction in Thamizh films. Eg., In aadi velli there will be a robot which will take pictures of the divine child and give it to the villain!! So Rama Narayanan doesn't deserve the insult you heaped on him by comparing with MR who goes around with same kind of characters and placing them in every movie of his. Same Chandru of Mouna Ragam will be Karthik in Alai Payuthae and Arvind swamy character in Bombay. Atleast in rama Narayanan movies, there will be a change of animal that helps the dheiva kuzhandhai!!
Just for jolly i posted this one. The previous one is a serious one. If you felt like crying after reading the previous one, please read this one and LYAO. :lol: :lol:
i'm sick and tired of SJS-bashing :twisted: .......all those who havent sighted ur sister's frnds, who havent tried to jollufy a beautiful girl in office knowing she is married, who havent watched porn cds, who havent entered yahoo sex chat rooms, who are faithful to ur GF and wife talk abt SJSuryah......SJSuryah is a reflection of Tamil society and not any alien culture...Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
HFM is low on creativity??? keep dreaming jai.....they are making sensible movies....xcept for SRK there is no other star out there....so all movies are story-based.....not like tamil where only rowdyism and prejudice is projected nowadays.....moreover, has there been any album from YSR or HJ to match Himesh's Aashiq banaye apne??? that guy is makin ppl. go to theaters just cos of his music.......there is no one in Tamil to match Himesh now.....so dont tell Hindi is low on creativity.......
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: SRK and none other ... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Aishwarya's forth comming movies:
MISTRESS OF SPICES (ENG)
PROVOKED [ARR]
DHOOM 2: BACK IN ACTION
THE ENCHANTED SWORD (THE LAST LEGION) (ENG)
UMRAO JAAN
GURU [ARR]
JODHA-AKBAR [ARR]
REARRANGED/MR. SURPRISES
THE REBEL (working title)
HEART OF INDIA (TAJ MAHAL) [ARR]
MAHARANI GAYATRI DEVI (working title)
RACING THE MONSOON (ENG)
WINDFALL (ENG)
CHAOS (ENG)
I KNOW A PLACE (ENG)
RADHESHYAM SEETARAM
HUM PANCHHI EK DAAL KE
And 4 untitled movies :o
DAMN BUUUUUUUSY LADY !!!
What u say is true, but this guy is bcomin 2 repetitive with his songs. Same kind of singing ..... sort of irritates me. I think he should be choosy with his singing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Talking of SJS, he is good but only behind the screens, please.
Talking of bala, chEran, they are better creators that MR, I agree but they dont have a very good music/song picturization sense. MR will beat the crap out of these people in that area and thats what we are discussing now. So there is no harm in ARR working with MR.
OTOH, IR worked with chEran for a movie, dEsiya gItham. We all know that IR is a better composer than ARR when it comes to soulful composition. What happened to IR?? thats coz of cheran's poor music sense. I dont want ARR to work with chEran, MR is much much better 8-)
Yeah, but Bala has a very good music taste which was eveident in his Sethu & Pithamagan, Nanda was Ok. But I am not sure abt his picturisation of songs, not gr8 & not bad either. I would like to see ARR associated with bala in the future, but the chances are less I beleive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
I am not confident abt Cheran. Even I feel he doesn't have a gr8 music sense.
Cheran hasnt been working with either IR or ARR for the last 9 years. He has been content with the likes of Bharadwaj.
Its not as if ARR is shunning Cheran or Bala. Its those directors who have to approach him if at all they need ARR in their films. ARR doesnt go about requesting directors to feature him in their movies. If Cheran or Bala prefer someone else, Rahman cant do much about it. He'll work with directors with whom he continues to vibe well or with those who make subjects that interest him and request him to compose. If Cheran thinks that a Sabesh-Murali is enough for his films as compared to IR/ARR then thats his choice. Personally, I dont think Cheran or Bala's films would be a good fit for Rahman's kind of music. Whereas Gautam Menon and Selvaraghavan's films might suit Rahman's style better(or vice-versa), but then again its their choice as to who the MD in their films is.
i guess, ARR might not be preferred by the younger crop of directors........ARR is great when it comes to cool,fashion-statement kinda music.......and i dunt think any director can afford to make such movies nowadays as they have to cater to a largely low-taste audiences......
Cheran's next film is with IR.
hmmm... Cheran, Bala, Selva all cater to low-taste audience and the Double..oops.. single meaning films of SJS are for class audience :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
vijayr wrote:
and then Maddy wrote:Quote:
I dont think Cheran or Bala's films would be a good fit for Rahman's kind of music.
If one reads the first post from vijay one might as well assume that ARR cannot give music suited for a film . He will make his own music and the film maker should approach him only if there is a"Endrendrum" kinda song required by the script. Are you hinting at ARR's lack of versatility here Vijay? He can't compose a song for rural audience which is 65% to 70 % of our country? If you mean that, then I disagree. Coz ARR has composed for Legend of Bhagat singh and RDB and has composed for Punjabi folk. so he can't tune Thamizh folk? I am not asking for ARR to call Cheran or Bala's cell # and ask for a chance, just a conversation in a public function is enough to do that. Someone brought up YSR and Bala. We all know that YSR's strength is urban hip hop kinda songs, still he gave decent songs for nanda.Quote:
ARR is great when it comes to cool,fashion-statement kinda music.......and i dunt think any director can afford to make such movies nowadays as they have to cater to a largely low-taste audiences......
Now Coming to Maddy's post, I am really surprised. again LOBS or Bose is not cool fashion statement kinda movies. However the quality of ARR's works in these movies were mindboggling. Again I have discussed it in the Bose the forgotten hero thread. Bose particularly showcased his variety of composing patriotic to moody melancholic to Symphonic. If he can do that in Hindi, he can do it easily in Thamizh as well. If you say he can't then I will have ask the question that is obvious - Is he not versatile? then stop praising him guys, he is just an urban phenomenon!!
However to correct the picture, I would say that whatever you have blurted out is your perception and the bias is evident in the way you have closed your post -
Thats gross generalization and bias trying to dismiss Cheran and Bala as directors catering to cheap taste as opposed to a MAniratnam who will introduce a song "September Maadham" where a Sophia wearing next to nothing dancing in the beach, being a class high taste director.Quote:
"i dunt think any director can afford to make such movies nowadays as they have to cater to a largely low-taste audiences"
boss, IMO ARR has to give urban music bcos i'm a urban man and i like to see ARR going global.....
and hell wat, jaiganes, u xpect ARR to talk bad to anyone??? if he meets cheran/bala then he will talk to them cordially.......but that wont give him a chance to work for their movies.......infact bala is a IR fan so u really dont know how he will treat rahman.......
jai, wat happened to u???i'm "blurting out" if i say that ARR shuld give urban music only??? wat happened dude, shuldnt i voice my opinion as a true ARR fan...... :D
okkk.....shuld i dissect cheran's movies now??? Autograph is a highly male-chauvinist movie......will u accept ur wife if she tells u in the first nite that she had 3 boyfrnds????? boss, even cheran wont accept it in reality......summa dunt justify saying it is reality and all.....moreover, he did not handle "handicapped" issue in porkaalam that well.......not to forget his comedy movie where murali and co kidnap naseer.......
and who are the movie watching ppl. in TN rite now??? auto-rickshaw drivers, college students who want kuthu songs....u think they promote creativity??? ARR generation of people now listen tio his mp3s and watch movies by downloading them with 100mbps lines in their offices....that's y even mani doesent find a place here,....
But then who else is Promoting :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
"Are you hinting at ARR's lack of versatility here Vijay? He can't compose a song for rural audience which is 65% to 70 % of our country? If you mean that, then I disagree. Coz ARR has composed for Legend of Bhagat singh and RDB and has composed for Punjabi folk. so he can't tune Thamizh folk? I am not asking for ARR to call Cheran or Bala's cell # and ask for a chance, just a conversation in a public function is enough to do that."
No I didnt say anything about ARR's lack of versatility or whatever. All I said was a Cheran or Bala's film doesnt necessarily demand the kind of music Rahman is making these days. Leave alone Punjabi folk, Rahman has done TFM folk long back in Kizhakku cheemayile, Karuthamma, Pudhiya MannargaL and few individual songs from other albums. He is a guy who keeps trying new things. But songs dont find an important place in Cheran or Bala's films like they do in Manirathnam's/Barathiraja's films for example. Cheran is especially pretty mediocre when it comes to song placement/picturization. Nor do his movies require elaborate BGM. He has given hits with Bharadwaj and Sabesh-MuraLi. And actually his next movie has an urban setting I believe.Bala isnt music savvy either. If they really think their films need ARR's music they should be the ones who should approach ARR. Neither IR nor ARR go after directors requesting them to give them a chance to score music. Plus personally, I dont think ARR needs to work with them in order to improve his resume or whatever. His credibility as a versatile composer has already been established. He has been everywhere and done that. He has also scored music for Cheran-like movies(meaning movies with strong emotional content) with other directors in Hindi and TFM. But I agree with your earlier gripe that Rahman shouldnt be doing movies with just SJS(or KSR too for that matter). I wish someone puts SJS to rest.
Hello everyone, I am new here. Very thrilled to find this forum, and hope to learn a lot from the folks here.
Coming to the topic..wasn't Sangamam on the 'traditional' side too? It wasn't a typical ARR soundtrack. So maybe we should give him a little more credit?
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