thiruvasakam in symphony

"Since you have been collecting a lot of money, you have a responsibility to answer- you cannot decide who can question you."

The Government of Canada collects money from it's citizens. But ONLY Canadians are allowed to question the government on how it is spent - not the Americans, Indians, or anyone else. ie: Only those who contribute can question how it is spent.

So Raja, by your own admission, you are not a Canadian:-)

SSSSAV, Same side goal?? :-)

Jaiganesh:

I am with you - hope everything works out well for all. I hope to hear the music and enjoy IR's talent. Peace..

MNT/DHG - I am not a canadian - even though I love Canada. So I didnt score a same side goal. :-)

Om shanti shanti shanti

Dear IR Fans,

We have waited long for TIO. Now the date by which TIO is going to be released has been given. However impatient or frustrated we may be are we not mature and graceful enough to hold the peace and give the TIO Project Team another three weeks after having waited more than a year if I am not wrong. I am sure we can do that.

Let us not be vulgar, spiteful, boastful and “cast aspersions on a sincere bunch of people” as Jaiganesh aptly put it, in our postings. Its not going to help in any way. The result will be all things negative. It will just hurt, sap our energy and resources. Must we hurt others to make known our impatience and frustration.

Thoughts find expression in words and words give rise to thoughts, Vulgar thoughts and words will feed on each other and will keep escalating to become all consuming unless we discipline ourselves to avoid it. Embracing vulgarity is a reflection of bad taste and character. Finally, when everything is over it will leave a bitter aftertaste.

As I said earlier base language denigrates the sanctity of the subject at hand, THIRUVASAKAM.

A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL.

Thank you
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Look at the pathetic state of this forum now. Silence for such prolonged period of time only frustrates fans like us. They don't seem to care about our concerns and eagerness towards the release of TIO. What does this show??????

Hello, my friends at the new Tfmpage. Happy New Year to one and all. I want to start this year with Prayers for the souls of all victims of the recent Tsunami tragedy.

I am also praying for all people to realize that we all need to be ACCEPTING AND EMBRACING of all people in all their differences and problems. If this approach is adopted universally, we can find peace and happiness of all mankind. Selfishness, Rejection, Anger and Self-destructive behavior must be treated, and it can happen only each of us care for the other with lesser fortunes and deep personal problems that can be cured by understanding friends together. So, long live friendships and let us all work on this together whenever and wherever.

My feeling for this Jan 2005 is Tiruvacagam by Ilaiyaraaja will bring the much needed reason for people to find a sense of joy and togetherness amidst the unexpected by may be long overude wake-up call God in the recent Tsunami incident. I like the date Jan 17, and also it is good to know PadmaShri Kamalahaasan is being conferred doctorate.

Embracingly,



Nithin

By "Embracingly", I was also influenced by my need to embrace every other composer, especially HCIRFs must welcome any music from A R Rahman and other artistes. I am most willing to "Embrace" Mr. Rahman' music, and not condemn it whenever I am not satisified with the output.

Good luck ARR and all aspiring music composers in the new year.

Welcomingly yours ;-)

The TIs Team

Any luck with your hunt for a label willing to give a downpayment to meet up all your loans?

Where are you guys in your release road map?

Kannan Sanderson

Why No reply for Kannan ?

When Rome was burning, Nero, its King, was playing the fiddle, according to the legends.
We can underestand your anxiety in getting to hear the sweet music of IIR in TiO but you should also be aware of the crude fact of Tsunami hitting the entire coast of Tamilnadu and Fr. jegath, who was in Nagerkoil, escaped miraculously as he had just left the town and went inland to be with his family in the same district. And, you all know that Kanyakumari was one of the districts affected severely by this Tsunai.
He told me that he rushed immediately to the shores and himself personally extracted 57 bodies among the dead and engaged in relief operations. He has since returned to Chennai and has promised me that an important decision over the release will be made in the next couple of days after consulting with IIR.
One must understand that the HCRF's will definitely buy the album at any time but the general public may not be doing so in this time of great disaster. That does not mean that the release is going to be postponed but we are considering the various ways to satisfy everything. Please be patient and Fr. Jegath will make an announcement shortly. We hope that you understand.
In the meantime, see how you can help our brothers and sisters suffering in our state. Thanks.
YIA !!

anbudan,
SSSSAV

Great, finally just as I was guessing our guys have found a great excuse to give for the delay. Thanks to Tsunami. This will probably be the only audio release delayed due to Tsunami. What has all this got to do with it I wonder. Movies are released and doing great business all over. Everything else is getting on as usual. Our fellows here on the other hand are using that as an excuse...pathetic really. If anything this is the best time to release the audio as it might bring relief and joy to many affected hearts and souls all over the world...Common fellows enough of your crap truly......!!!!

So long as you have this mindset of equating this with any other movie albums, there is no point of talking sense into you.
You exactly fit in with what we had mentioned in the first line of our posting.
Enough said!
YIA!!

SK

Will you stop this crap of "holier than you" bombastic statements about this alubm.....as if it is Lord Shiva directly in communion with the masses?

If anybody who asks you questions is a Nero, then what should we call Mr. Ilaiyaraaja? Who is at present busy executing his next project with his favourite (not necessarily the world's) orchestra? I understand he is there now to record two songs for Kamal's Mumbai Express.

Will some one at least tell Mr. Ilaiyaraaja that all the film projects he has done with this orchestra so far have become huge bombs?

KS

Have you guys noticed (came on MTV/Channel V, SS Music) the remix version of "Inji Iduppazhaga" song by singer Smitha (Pop singer??). No idea about the other songs in this album, but two things surprised me:

1) Song picturisation
2) "SONY BMG" has released the album!!

Krishnan

Krishnan,

Knowing abt Sony they would contend that it is a remix version of "payaliya chunmun" from Virasat by Anu Malik.


Sai

Dear Friends,

I don't understand one logic. Let it be a South Indian Album or Indian Album, the composer is the great IR. He is celebrated throught the world. Why Sony is not willing to sponsor? That too, the album is not any ordinary cinema or local album. It is an International Symphonic composition. That should have its own value. Right?

I'm very frustrated. I understand that you cannot enjoy the music when a tragedy had happened. However, you may dedicate the Album to those who lost their lives in the Tsunami.

If u guys feel the same, please share it with everyone in the Forum..

:cry: :roll:

Saisat,

The entire song is in tamil, not in Hindi. Lyrics are same (as much as I have heard). Neverthless, I would say people who do not know the fact that its IR's tune will say that Anu maliks tune has been remixed and tamil lyrics has been inserted :-)

Anyway, the point I was concerned is that its SONY BMG label! Either some amount of influence has made SONY BMG to release in their label or they must have thought that its a "REMIX", so it would certainly make some moderate business!! Also, I dont know if other songs in this album are remix aswell and if they are in tamil!

As everyone here, I am eagerly waiting for the release of TBI.

Thanks

Krishnan

Hi all!
Was casually browsing and came across the good news regarding TiO. Please visit the http://www.tis-usa.com/ for the latest. The profits of TiO sales to go to Tsunami relief funds. Looking forward to the formal announcement after pongal!! Hope that this pongal will ring in sweet sound of IR and TiO.
:( :arrow: :D

Thiruvasakam
A great historic work by Saint Manickavasagar in musical fusion.
Synthesising ideas from both Indian & Western classical traditions.
Coordinated by Tamil Maiyam a registered non-profit tax-exempt organization.
Committed to bring out high quality productions in Tamil art, culture and literature. Composed by (our) very talented Maestro IR.
Involving more than 200 musicians from different parts of the world.
Conducted by Laszlo Kovacs of Miskolc Symphony Orchestra, a professional Hungarian full orchestra.
English translation done by Mr. Stephen Schwartz, Oscar award winning lyricist.
Great sound engineering works by Richard King, the 2004 Grammy winner.
Multi lingual Chorus mixings at bombay & chennai.
Negotiation process on with international companies like Sony, HMV and Universal.
Planned for a grand release in presense of Dr.Abdul kalam.
Dedication of all the PROFITS for Tsunami victims …

Ok…Sounds really Great. We are all aware of this.
The final product is ready for a grand marketing.
Thanks to the TIS team for taking all efforts to make it memorable.

But, still I have TWO Basic questions haunting right from the beginning.

1. Are majority of the music lovers in TN and other parts of India, Malaysia, Singapore etc, aware of such a project going on?
2. Is there sufficient advertisements in the Media for the TiO Project, by way of short TV clipping or Programs such as ‘The making of Tbo’, or any interviews with the personities involved etc in the Media?

The bitter truth is NO. The project is getting delayed for release. This Short time can be well utilized for generating an awareness among the public.

Can anybody help?

"Dedication of all the PROFITS for Tsunami victims …"
Now, thats worrying. I thought the profits were for setting up music colleges(or something on that lines) in Tamilnadu and Sri Lanka?

Thank you, Jaiganes !
YIA!!

"TISK" aka "SSSSAV" !!
YIA!!

rajdes,
Why it should be worrying? Don't you feel wiping out the tears of someone / helping someone to make a living is more important than setting up institutions of art (essentially for pleasure purposes)...when the project started, there were no Tsunami victims...Now there are...and one should welcome this change!

Kumudam cinema issue dated the 15-1-2005 has published an interview with Fr. Jagath talking about Tiruvaasagam Project.

In Singapore Sony-BGM has released a local 'Idol' winner Taufik's album with ample marketing and launch activities. For such a small country and target fans like in Singapore the organizers can get Sony to be involved.

But here our fellows are talking "Big Level Crap" really for not being able to find a label for release.

I was just talking to a 'Kalamandir' artist in Singaore, and to my surprise, none of the classical vocalists there heve even heard of TIO. How much more sad can it get. This shows how pathetic our fellows marketing efforts have been all these past months. Samefully poor!!!!!

But they will come and talk like saints who have sacrificed their life for this project. Definitely somethings are not right here. I donno maybe money is playing its vice game here?????

All these weeks even after the completion of the project, they have been sitting on it with no effort at all to bring the awareness to the next level. I think these guys are in it for the money, and they have already made their quick bucks. That is why the follow up is so poor. If anything the process should have been speeded up and the release should have happened by now at least......

But instead we get such a tedious extremely pissing delay and silence and even those hardcore followers would have lost interest in it by now.....

I think more of should voice our concern and expose those involved in the project for doing nothing to help its cause and waiting to make a failure out of such brilliant effort by our maestro IR!

mohan02: While your concerns may be valid, watch your words. Remeber this is a public forum. (I've edited your post. )
It's just a warning this time, but not necessarily the next time. Pls read our policies & regulations:
http://forumhub.lunarpages.com/docs/HubPolicies.htm

http://www.newyorkraja.com/

(please check out the photo in the site where Dakshinmoothy, MSV, IR, Naushad etc.. are together... for MSV' book release, according to me the Drona & Bhishma combined of music is Dakshinamoorthy)

(My favorite and most valued praise is by V Dakshinamoorthy, a composer who brings the deepest timeless feel or antiquity and eterninty, and the smell of the annaibhoomi more than any other composer (eg: Murali Gaanathin Sallolini (Mal); Nanda Nee En Nila, etc..)


V .DACHINAMURTH (MD)

“Which MD has composed for 800 over movies within our own lifetime? Who else is capable of doing that? It is possible by Ilayaraja alone who stands out as an unfailing fountain. It is indeed a Herculean task to have orchestrated for Thiagaraya Keerthanai and made an album of it called NOTHING BUT WIND. Nobody elase could have made this attempt….Who is qualified to gauge the musical depth and capacity of Ilayaraja? Perhaps the musical angels had prayed to God in their previous birth, for they are the ones who are currently serving Ilayaraja. Otherwise how is it possible to write the notation within a fleeting moment? The Musical angels have welded into him, and are assisting Ilayaraja as he wants the music to be.”

Please read the interview in Kumudam Cinema Online on why there is a delay in releasing TIS.

http://www.kumudam.com/lightsonline/150105/pg9.php

Not everyone can access Kumudam without a password. Can you tell usd the gyst of it!!

You can register to Kumudam for free and read the interview of Fr. Jegath Gaspar Raj. There are some good photos of IR and Father too

http://www.kumudam.com/login/register.php

The interview says that the total expenditure for TIS is about 1 Crore and 20 Lakhs. Out of which 80 lakhs came from his own pocket and remaining 40 lakhs was loaned by Banks with higher interest. The interesting thing about this interview, there were no mention about how the money was collected. There is no weblink to TIS webpage.

I havent read the article, but if there is no mention about the enormous contribution by the fans then its a shame..it would seem as if the entire TIS-USA team had been taken for a ride. I hope someone could translate the whole interview here.

Dear all,

It has been a while since i have placed my thoughts on this forum, mostly i just read and keep my thoughts to myself. But i really do not know what made me to place my few thoughts on this forum, now.

A great salute to Fr.Gasper and SSSAV and his team. Well finally you have done it, atleast according to you. Now by the postings posted by many and ofcourse your goodself, i come to know that the release of the TBI is getting delayed due to many reasons, the prime being the inability to rope in Big Labels so that we can be assured of the money invested ( so as to clear the debts).

But i have few questions for the core of the team(Rev.Fr and SSSAV)...did you people tried any of the ideas proposed by many genuine fans of IR during the making of TBI and i happened to read many worthful ideas....i do remember many of those and i do myself placed my few cents of ideas like releasing of the BGM of HeyRam and Lajja, which incidently had the Symphony orchestra doing the score. And many in this forum came with many brilliant ideas, but that has been washed away in the drain.

Now i could hear that they have huge financial burden. Many a times IR has himself told that the Musical score is the property of the particluar MD. Why not you people didnot pursue in that direction.

"Aalukku ainthu Dollar could have been easily aalukku paththu dollar"

I personally feel that many workable ideas were not considered. And how could you realize the money without mean. You have a commodity and you can easily sell it. By having a virtual commodity how will you be able to sustain it. I really do not understand, i may even sound harsh, since there is no real problem in publishing/selling his creations which is "selected, edited and remastered" it could have been sold like hot cakes. There would have no necessity to look for money from different sources.

And the problem still continues.....thappu panrathu thappu illa athai thiruppi panrathu than thappu.....AIMHO.

I really do not know when it will be released.....but still then i will be liteneing to the immortal creations of my MASTER...just like 'dog listening the gramaphone....HMV LOGO'

Luv,
Raaja Rasikan

(in kumudam fonts. http://216.65.197.170/Kumudam.ttf )

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Thanks very much RR! Nice to read it in tamil fonts. Has come out very well.

Krishnan

Info from TIS-USA site
US$ INR
Orchestra-Hungary 58,000 2,726,000
English Lyrics Stephan Schwartz 15,000 705,000
Richard King Sony Mixing 27,000 1,269,000
Ilaiyaraaja-Travel Stay Hospitality 10,000 470,000
Chorus recording India 50,000 2,350,000
Admin Overheads 4,000 188,000
Total 164,000 7,708,000

Loans India 100,000 4,700,000
Loans USA 50,000 2,350,000

Total 150,000 7,050,000

The Tamil Maiyam web site gives a donation list totaling to Rs.10.5 lacs.

The TIS-USA site lists the names of the donors but not the amount. Hence we don’t know the total donation inflow from the USA. Some time back Fr.Jegath mentioned a loan of USD 100,00 for him self and USD 40,000 for Mr. Sankar Kumar.

When I thought even Rs.77 lacs is a mind-boggling sum for a 60-minute album, Fr. Jegath talks of a total expense of Rs.1.2 crores. I just don’t understand many things here. Some of the expense figures are obnoxious, to say the least.

On what basis some one could have spent so much on a single album ?

And his talk of audio piracy, MP3, FM broadcast etc. have not come out just now. They are there for quite some time. And they are the reasons even major labels have stopped spending so much in creating new albums. Even when they do, they take into consideration these aspects before estimating a realistic sales figures and expected revenue. Based on which they plan and fix their project cost. Not the other way round.

A simple back of the hand calculation would tell you the kind of numbers TIO has to sell before even recuperating your investment.

And in this condition, the proud decision to donate all the profits this and that only looks like a crude joke.

Total Cost USD 255,319 Rs. 12,000,000

Pre release/Post Release Publicity USD 30,000 Rs. 1,410,000

Sales Estimation to break even:

Assuming a base price of USD 10 or INR 470 per CD as the final sales price
Inflow after Distri Commission/Freight expenses will be USD 4 per piece or INR 188 per piece.

Assuming the total production cost of Rs.1.2 crores plus the pre-release/post release publicity cost of Rs.14 lacs the total is Rs.1.34 lacs.

At this return rate of Rs.188 per piece, you have to sell about 71,330 pieces of CDs to break even. It would be very easy to get carried away with imaginary number of fans and the nos they may buy. But the reality may not be that easy.

Any rough idea how many copies a "Hit" (movie album) CD will sell In TN ?

Are they planning to release cassettes or not ?

NagaS

Because of piracy, now a days, achieving a figure of 30,000 to 50,000 cassettes is a very big figure for a hit Tamil film. Hardly one or two film albums in a year reach that level. Very rarely they reach the 75,000 to 100,000 mark. CD market still in its infancy as far as Tamil audio market goes.

From the interview and kannan's comments, it seems that the most difficult part is only ahead. It makes all the more sense for this album to be marketed by SONY or universal at an international level. Even then the sales will pick up in a great way only after a Grammy or a similar award in WCM section nomination. Added to all that is the need to transcend cultural barrier in introducing Thiruvacagam and IR to the world community. On the brighter side, what better opportunity than this to break the barrier! To take a cultural spark that is global in intent in a format that is apt for that purpose is by no means a simple undertaking. Being a simple fan of music, I can only hope that this materialises sooner than later. If the divinity to which this project is dedicated wills nothing is impossible!!!

http://www.webindia123.com/news/show...1933&cat=India

Does the above news mean that release and new objectives of TBI go back to the original intent?

Guys ,,

I think they have done aright thing by delaying teh proj in the wake of Tsunami ...

Look what's happening to Pongal releases ...Ayya inspite of excellent reviews and good wor dof teh Mouth is not running ...

Infcat none of teh Pongal Movies have been successfull..