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I think the fact is todays TFM demands atleast a mix of 2 dubbanguthu, 2 or 3 beat numbers including 1 remix for a film. IR will definetely not step down to cater to such requirements after churning out great classics all these years. most of the younger generation are forced to accustom to tune there ears to listen to these type of craps and i dont think this scenaro will change in near future. I guess this can be one of the reason why IR avoids TFM..
Vkrish - u r right - even in the 1990s, when IR had to compose for movies like Poonthattam, he was forced to give a hopeless junk song, and even tho in another fazil movie, he had to give one, he managed with a different sounding 'adida melathha' with some amazing heavy metal guitar riffs!
IR needs a kamal movie now! not some cheran, chozhan, pandian movie !
Regarding MY, rumours now say that Walt Disney is going to produce. But all news say ARR is the MD. So we can stop expecting a turn around !
Kamal and ARR fall out aagi indha project IR-kku vara vendaam ! Adhu echil ilaikku samam :)
Why should we think like that ? If so, what you can say abt Hey Ram? It was the same case as you told for MY...Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Who knows.. kamal would have fought with ARR just for the sake to rope IR in... :roll:
anyway, IMO I am not expecting IR-KH combo unless it is under Raj Kamal Productions..
I would be very happy if he continues to rope IR for his home productions...
if its WD for MY, then its 99% ARR - one small feasibility report by any marketing company wud have told them abt ARR's market value - no way can KH argue IR's case with WD - unless ARR turns down the project due to some reason!
raja_fan - walt disney project is a totally different project which is going to be directed by BharatBala(script by MT.Vasu nair) and if IR is going to be a part of BharatBala project, then i think Harbhajan will be a part of Ricky Ponting's team.......Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
MY is a different project - where kamal is the director........yes, ADlabs pressure wud have made ARR come in the project - but wat i recently heard was kamal-ARR relationship in a new high - so i dont see this combo falling even after producer change - though it falls - we dont mind as long as ARR is happy abt it......
reg echil - wat wud u call hey ram then??? i think MD's have lot of pressures/obligations - they cant think like us........
RS, r u sure - Mani approached IR for Alais??? i mean, if that was rejected for bad script - how did mayakannadi and madhu made it into good scripts..... :roll:
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reg echil - wat wud u call hey ram then??? i think MD's have lot of pressures/obligations - they cant think like us........
I expected this question :)
For Hey Ram, Kamal approached IR first. IR rejected that due to his reservations on the theme of the script. And then when Kamal had problems with LV he had no other way than IR and came back to him.
Due to "anbu thollai" from Kamal or may be IR was convinced after seeing the film, IR agreed to do Hey ram.
So I don't consider it as "Echil". Kamal did not go to LV saying "IR is not selling". He went to LV because IR refused.
But here for MY it is different. If some body goes to another MD for a particular project ( for reasons like IR is not capable etc ) and then comes back to IR, then as a IR fan, I will call it as "Echil" :) Intentions are more important than actions.
For example, if the news is true that Mani approached IR for Iruvar and AP ( thinking that ARR is not capable ) and then went to ARR, then it was an "echil" to ARR. :)
I agree. Script could not have been the reason.Quote:
i mean, if that was rejected for bad script - how did mayakannadi and madhu made it into good scripts.....
No it was not rejected for Bad Script. It was rejected for Raaja not wanting to work with MR. :( Mani an ardent Raaja fan is wishfully married to ARR, because IR wants the Divorce between them to be permanent, While Mani Time and Again has tried to get back to his former partner :) Hope they remarry and Mani maintains ARR north to vindhya and IR in south. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Mani would not have thought ARR isnt capable he would've thought about better deliverables in short span of time. With ARR Mani is always frustrated due the timelines i believe. He will always announce that the movie is not going to have any songs and later change it while ARR had taken his own time and delivered the songs. This happened for 3 movies as far I remember, AP, Yuva and Guru.Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Regarding 'Echil' what if Kamal had insisted that IR be part of MY and ARR became a part of it due to force and later KH somehow managed to rope in IR? Is it 'echil' too?
:? :? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
:lol: :lol: :lol:
plz change the topic from this echil...
IMO, MR is definetly missing IR's grand BGMs in his movies though ARR doing a decent job in songs...
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Regarding 'Echil' what if Kamal had insisted that IR be part of MY and ARR became a part of it due to force and later KH somehow managed to rope in IR? Is it 'echil' too?
No. That is why I clearly told. Please read the line within brackets.
"If some body goes to another MD for a particular project ( for reasons like IR is not capable etc ) and then comes back to IR, then as a IR fan, I will call it as "Echil" Intentions are more important than actions. "
there is no echil in profession......there are so many obligations commitments they have to respect - its tuf to maintain personal likes/dislikes always......i cant agree to any other views regarding this.........sorry
reg Mani & ARR - i quote myself again - Mani and ARR are like man and money - ask man to live without money, then i bow to Maniratnam :lol:
MADDY,
I am not expecting any agreement from you on this. Thanks.
:huh: :lol2: Why :?Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Neenga thaanae Rahman ah inga kondu vareenga. If then, arr fans have the right to defend him. They do it rarely.
Anyway, ithu enna echil athu ithunnu. Raja_fan, You won't like IR composing for MY or even taht Walt Dishney movie.. right ? :huh: since it will be an echil for u :cry: enna kodumai paa ithu !
HeyRamukku L.Subramaniyan kitta poittu thaanae IR kitta vanthaanga and he did a great job. Itha aen ECHIL athu ithunnu solli KOCHAI paduthureenga :roll:
Mela Padinga r_f intha questionukku erkanave answer pannitaaru :)Quote:
Originally Posted by selvakumar
konja naalave TFMla 'Echil' endra vaarthai romba adipaduthu...
SPB recenta oru medaila MSV thuppina echila than athukku appuram vandhavanga use pannatha sonnaru...
inga namma Hublayum ithe than oduthu... :lol:
pongalukku ethachum venduthalo... :roll:
aana onnu.. eppadi New Yearna Ilami Itho ella patti thottilum kaekkutho.. athe maadhiri.. pongalukku "Thai pongalum vandhadhu" paatu than oduthu....
summa solla koodathu.. andha Naadhaswaram prelude irukke.. ..
kaekkum podhu namma man vaasanai adikkutthu...
I saw that. This is his reply on HeyRam.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajasaranam
If we apply his logic, HEYRAM too is an ECHIL. He was approached. IR wasn't interested. So, kamal went to LV. LV is smart enough to avoid this ECHIL or he might have understood it later from kamal. So, he returned that ECHIL back and poor IR has to score for that ECHIL.Quote:
Due to "anbu thollai" from Kamal or may be IR was convinced after seeing the film, IR agreed to do Hey ram.
So I don't consider it as "Echil". Kamal did not go to LV saying "IR is not selling". He went to LV because IR refused.
I was referring to *IR composing for HR after the rejection from LV*. In any case, he shouldn't have done that. but what I refer here is : There is no need to refer this as ECHIL. Ipadi solli kocha paduthatheengannu solluraen. That's it :)
:rotfl: :lol: :lol2: :D :)Quote:
Originally Posted by raajarasigan
Posting this since MRs name is discussed here.
With due respect to MR, the genius director,w.r.to the tamil film industry, MR and IR are sailing in the same boat.They both haven't stamped their presence to the TN masses.
Its been long time for both MR as well as IR, in coming up with a HIT in Tamil.
MR could not reach the masses with his last few movies and looks like he has opted out of the tamil film industry.I do not see a tamil movie coming from him in near future.
We living in cities may be informed about MR or IRs work in other languages,but for the majority of TN,people must be thinking MR and IR are not active in movies.
I repeat, Both of them are sailing in the same boat...
One wish from my side is, I want IR to score an album with heavy classical rock influences, with indian classic ragas.
Uravenum Pudhiya Vaanil .... had a great classic rock prelude. Something like that ....
ok buddies, let's now dwell LESS on what IR is NOT doing / should not be doing (after all he has achieved in career 1000's of times to what most people can even dream of, and much more than what most've already accomplished; both in name/fame/quantity/numbers/positions etc. and in quality).
Let's focus in this thread MORE on what he IS doing and a better wish-list, like NormalMan's e.g. above:-)
I'm looking forward to pazhassi rAjA:-)
digression:
rooky: about MR - NOPE, I strongly disagree with you that he can be called a 'genius' - IR is GENIUS but not MR, who is just a successful filmmaker!
MR does not have a charateristic style of filmmaking, composing shots etc like say, a Mahendran - each of Mahendran's movies were classics, benchmarks and milestones in Tamil cinema - Mullum Malarum, Johnny, Udhiri Pookkal etc - and before u jump to conclusion that am a Rajini fan, let me assure u am not - but I like Rajini in Mahendrans movies coz he was in the hands of a genuine artiste/craftsman!
I gave the example of Mahendran to illustrate my point that MR does not qualify to be a genius - MR's success stems from his marketing business acumen plus indulging in savvy pseudo-pan-Indian identity based movies like Roja - which was OK to some extent, but post- Roja, with the sole exception of a brilliant Iruvar, an OK Kannathil Muthamittal and Guru (a lil bit), his other movies were mediocre - but they might have been successful, thats a different story
I can easily show a movie like Mullum Malarum/udhiri pookkal to my non- tamil speaking friends/colleagues and they understand/appreciate the artistry that went behind the making of these movies
I cant say the same abt many of MR's movies
IR is sheer genius!
Agree irir123. Jhonny for example was a one of the best & subtle romantic movies made. Rajini & Sridevi had awesome chemistry, combined with one of the best soundtracks in the history of IFM. I miss Mahendran and more so the Mahendran-IR combo.
In this thread I read that IR has around 500 songs that he composed on his own. Wish he causally collaborates with BR, KB, Mahendran Balu Mahendra, MR, P.Vasu (trust me this dude has a great musical ear) and produce just ONE song each. Should be a deadly album.
Looks like Mahendran is planning (trying?) to do a film. Why not IR join him & work for this:
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumu...01-16/pg11.php
I dont think LV was smart enough to avoid this xxxxx. The story I heard is that LV was asking more money for scoring music/may be BGM (ofcourse I wonder why Money started playing its role in the end instead of, the beginning). Hence KH had to get out of LV.Quote:
Originally Posted by selvakumar
So, LV did not reject. Its KH who pulled it out from LV.
I, in fact, feel that it was IR's DUTY to score music for this movie. The reason is obvious, both owe each other a lot.
KH has this uncanny knack of picking up trouble with almost everyone (including his gurunathan K.Balachander)! donno why, but whoever he associated with seems to have problems with him! we may never know what actually went sour between LS and KH, but during that time, LS went on record, denying the money aspect for the split - instead, they had some serious difference abt the use of 'Sanyas Mantra' to start with - donno the details - I doubt, if LS wud have split coz of money factor alone (if it was the case)
sounds similar to IR, but at least IR is straightforward, but there is something very disturbingly enigmatic abt KH!
i meant gurunathaR
Putting a little thought on, associating "Genius" to people is fast becoming something like our Doctorate title.
The fast-food commercial thought in the tamil/indian film industry fail to respect the unparalleled GENIUSs.
A new not-so-telented hero is very quicky accepted as a GREAT actor and people start saying, this new hero sells better than Kamalhassan and this new hero within a span of few years accepted as GENIUS actor insulting the likes of unparalleled Kamalhassan.
Same is the case in music.A MD who gives crap but mass numbers is quickly identified as a Great and then becomes a GENIUS insulting a unparalled genius like IR.
Perhaps a srikanth deva or a Iman will be called Genius in near future (ofcourse based on their success).
Though it pains to see our beloved geniuss not getting their due respect,we can't help it.
This is not only with filmdom.This is the same with other fields such as cricket or politics too.A Dhoni surely is entertaining crowds but how can he be talked in the same plane as sachin.
a genius to u may not be a genius to everyone.
there are fans for Srikanth deva and Iman. hence these music directors are genius to their fans. what is the point in accepting or not accepting someone as genius :)
if u like urself for who u r, then u r a genius to urself. if u like kamal, then he is a genius to u. To someone, who believes that kamal is a copycat (as he imitates Al Pacino in Nayagan), then he is not for that someone.
coming to the topic, IR has no good projects in hand - except that of the maverick Bala. and some of his new songs are also boring and repetitive. these are the facts. I dont know why IR doesnt accept good movies and provide great music as he used to in the 80s.
Sorry Vem, I think there should be a universally acceptable definition of genius. Please see what wikipedia has to say about this -Quote:
Originally Posted by vem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius
Here are some excerpts for the busiest of our readers :-)
"The classic skill of the musical genius is the capability of holding many different melodies in one's head at once and being able to understand how they interact with one another. It is said that the great classical composers (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, etc.) could hold five, six or even seven different melodies in their minds at once.[attribution needed] They could write complicated music with many different parts without having to hear it played. In comparison, the average person can only hold one melody in their memory. Mozart, who apparently completed his musical compositions in his head and simply wrote them down when they were completed, is supposed to have often said while drinking and conversing with friends, "I write music as a sow pisses."[citation needed]" (I think only IR in IFM can do atleast 3 or 4 part counterpoints to my knowledge, easily and musically. I picked IR's songs from a collection of kannada songs in my friends CD is his car based on the presence of counterpoints alone)
"geniuses have 3 things in common:
1. Systematic and orderly approaches to problem solving
2. Sense of wonder, ability to look at thing in a fresh, almost childlike way. They keep an open mind and a flexible attitude on all subjects
3. Ability to concentrate with greater depth and intensity than the average person
"
I also suspect, based on IR's quick response in many instances and his ability to play many instruments, speak languagues, compose poetry his IQ would be greater than 145.
I dont have the time/patience to justify IR point-by-point as a genius, I would let you all debate this, based on these definitions (or a definition from a better source).
The wikipedia "genius" article focusses on the "quirky" nature of some of the genius personalities as well:-) (and you know who perfectly fits in here:-))
Though IR is not in the "costliest" films of Thamizh, he is in the "costliest" of MalayALam :roll:
http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/ful...hp?id=14586773
I dont think it is true.Genius is not based on once liking or the popularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by vem
For eg, in a particular field, there may be lakhs of "good" talents out of which may be a ten could be Greats and only one Genius.
Media do not pay much attention to the meaning of this word and are associating this to people ignorantly.That was my point.
Kamal kicked LV out of heyram, becuase LV cudnt come up with the compositions that was required for the movie.. IR the genius delivered that :clap:
here i read some posts saying that" kamal kaiyya kaluvittaaru... he wont work with IR again "
its not true IMHO.. Kamal has gone for a new team for marmayogi, because many in his inner circle, felt that because he more or less maintains the same team, all his movies miss that freshness in treatment or something else..
In all aspects Raaja Would have given the freshness that the movie needed if what i hear that, 'the movie is happening in 8th century and a fantasy theme' is true. NO OTHER COMPOSER CAN DO THE MAGIC AS RAAJA DOES FOR SUCH THEMES.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devar Magan
We will have to just wait for Pazhassi Raja !
I have all hopes that Raja will show his detractors what he still is capable of .
Does he really need to do that? IMO, to quote BretHart, he's one of 'The Best There Is, The Best There Was and The Best There Ever Will Be', like legends MSV, Sivaji etc. Do legends like them need to constantly prove themselves? :?Quote:
Originally Posted by raja_fan
Agreed, that he aint of the old, but to have him under the scanner always is little too much.. (like Sachin...!!).. :D
Here is IR below sitting in the crowd,
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...08/305788.html
And here are the folks who vindicated him,
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...08/305776.html
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...08/305777.html
Quite an irony when each one on the dais have abandoned him :-(
Something fishy I feel regarding latest Kamal-IR split..
Kamal and his daughter seem to have moved closer to ARR camp. While Marmayogi is said to have ARR, his daughter is singing a song in "Vaaranam Aayiram" by ARR again.
In her TV interview on Pongal day when asked "Who is your favourite MD ? ", Sruthi did not hesitate a minute and came straight - "MSV".
She continued like this "From my child hood, I have heard many songs of him without knowing who was the composer. The chords progression would be excellent. Then my father told me that all those songs were by MSV sir"
She did not even mention IR's name even once in the interview which revolved majorly around music.
hmm..enna sudden veruppo theriyavillai...