டாஸ்மாக் கடையில் சரக்கு வாங்கிய அனுபவம் உள்ள ஹப்பர்கள் யாராவது இருந்தால் அங்கு வயதுச்சட்டம் கடைப்பிடிக்கப்படுகிறதா, இல்லையா என்று சொல்லுங்கள் ப்ளீஸ்:-)
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டாஸ்மாக் கடையில் சரக்கு வாங்கிய அனுபவம் உள்ள ஹப்பர்கள் யாராவது இருந்தால் அங்கு வயதுச்சட்டம் கடைப்பிடிக்கப்படுகிறதா, இல்லையா என்று சொல்லுங்கள் ப்ளீஸ்:-)
do they have any limitation for selling alcohols?
There is legal age limit in most Indian states. For TN, I think it is 21:Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy
http://www.un.org.in/untrs/reports/N..._Hand_Book.pdf
i meant limitation in consuming ...oru aalukku ivalo thaan vikkalaamnu ethaachum sattam irukkaannu ketten
of course, apadi irundha kooda vera kadaiyila poi vaangi kudikkalaam ...still??
crazy, A few posts back, I gave the link to official website of TASMAC which prides in increasing sales (including retail) and also enjoys crossing targets for each district.
I think for kudi makankaL in TN, "sky is the limit" (that's why you see many rolling on floor).
missed to read that one ... :)
From TASMAC website:
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TASMAC has had a steady growth in its sales turnover over the years starting at Rs.139.41 Crores in 1983 - 84, it has increased to Rs.7335.00 Crores in 2005-06
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I read somewhere that the target for current FY is 10000 cr:-( and going by the target v/s actual indicators, they may cross it easily.
How much % of this goes from the pockets of middle-class & below, who can hardly afford it? How much will be the other associated costs - productivity loss, healthcare costs, violence / accidents etc & opportunity costs (this money & time could have been invested elsewhere etc).
I saw one slideshow in the Forbes website on the "how many problem drinkers per 1000 for each type of industry" for U.S.
Do they have any such stats for India?
Digression
kaLLachchArAyam mAdhiri thiruttu lottery:-(
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumu...06-11/pg27.php
End-digression
app_engine, that one needs a login.
What was the issue in the article you linked ?
Prabhu Ram,
That talks about the prevalence of lottery shops in TN (mainly Trichy / Karur area where local police close their eyes while a DIG took action to grab huge haul etc). Few years back I think they imposed lottery-prohibition in TN. It seems business worth multiple crores is still happening in a hush-hush way
BTW, Kumudam registration is without charge. Of late, I find there is some social consiousness to this "used-to-be-jolly-only" mag. Especially the pages written by one person called 'Gnani' are quite interesting, who changed his loyalty from vikatan. In this issue he writes briefly about madhu arakkan also.
Thanks app_engine. Realized that I already had a Kumudam account :-)
TN government imposed a ban on lottery around 2003 I think. It had next to nothing to do with social motives - rumour had it that the key distributor networks couldn't match up to percentage demands made by the 'powers'.
I was a regular buyer of the festival bumper offers of the TN govt. 50-100 bucks a ticket 3-4 times a years against a non-zero probability of winning a few crores !! விழுந்தால் வீட்டுக்கு, விழாவிட்டால் நாட்டுக்கு. I was sorely disappointed when they banned it. I acknowledge though, that I am not the typical consumer they make money out of.
app_engine,Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Yes, that makes sense, I think. Anyway, I wasn't really contesting that drinking does NOT affect the society as a whole -- whatever that means. Just that I felt the freeway analogy wasn't all that appropriate. (Even if it's 12 midnight or any time when the traffic is low, there is a potential for accident if a vehicle is speeding beyond "limits.")
>>Just that I felt the freeway analogy wasn't all that appropriate. <<
Well,I agree that it's not a 100% similar situation. However, the point I was stressing was when there's no "external"restraint, people do injurious things.
equanimus, what I got from the analogy was the existence of speed limits (and cops governing them) would atleast restrain those who respected/feared it. The absence of speed limit would encourage people - across the board- to be faster than they can handle when they actually need to be more responsible.
Similarly the existence of prohibition - ineffective and incomplete as it may practically be - would deter many from consuming alcohol. I find the analogy quite appropriate.
http://www.thehindu.com/2008/06/09/s...0957690200.htm
As quoted in this news report, the distance between a liquor shop and a school (or place of worship) should be ONLY 50 metres, in municipal areas. இப்படி ஒரு ரூல் இருந்தாலும், இல்லாவிட்டாலும் பெரிய வித்தியாசம் இல்லை. 50 மீ எல்லாம் ஒரு தூரமா? (நம்ம தமிழ் சினிமா ஹீரோ ஒரே தாவில் கடக்கும் தூரத்தை விட இது கம்மி:-))
:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by kirukan
Really awesome lines... I printed n pasted the quates...
"One who drinks, gets drunk.
One who gets drunk, goes to sleep.
One who goes to sleep, does not sin.
One who does not sin, goes to Heaven.
So let's all drink and go to Heaven !!!"
And put a title "The way to Heaven"... Wow!!!
athu sari!
:rotfl:
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?...date=6/24/2008
If the claims that allowing liquor / tasmac selling liquor etc will bring down kaLLachchArAyam and related problems, why do we keep reading such news with alarming frequency?
I don't think the rate of such incidents were any higher during the prohibition period (used to read newspaper even more scrutinizingly those days thanks to the time-availability factor). It's just a "convenience-propaganda" of the politicians / liquor lobby to cheat people and mint money. What everyone fails to realize is while it may be practically impossible to root out illicit liquor, it is very much possible to remove or at least reduce "legal liquor" (put the prohibition deterrent or other measures to reduce consumption) and save thousands of families who normally fear law and would shy away from liquor.
However, I'm sceptical that any politician in TN is going to attempt that in the near future:-(
At the minimum, the following actions should be taken:
a) Enforcing the age limit very strictly in sales (after all Govt sells all the liquor even in retail); also punish any underage drinking in even private settings.
b) Enforce strict regulations about drunken-driving by revoking driving license (and not just fine)
c) Put a cap on max sales from any outlet - can't go more than x # of bottles with a progressively reducing target
d) Less number of outlets and these should be only in main shopping areas downtown and nothing in suburbs / villages. In other words, make the buying experience as difficult as possible.
e) Make individuals get permits to buy liquor (moderation can be enforced this way) and make the process as cumbersome as possible to get these permits (all kinds of identity checks etc., as much as for buying guns and explosives).
I'm sure sounding like an extremist here, but this is a result of seeing so many families getting ruined and running into serious problems, with my own eyes, for years :-(
nice points app_engine esp (e), identity part is a brilliant thought &
(d), as u had rightly pointed out, they should be placed far and few. These suggestions will certainly make an impact.
Thanks wrap07:-)
In Kerala all liquor stores are closed on Gandhi Jayanthi and neither can bars sell that day (much like the Dec 24th eve & 25th in U.S.) So, even though it was a holiday when many would like to relax with booze, thanks to the strict enforcement of this rule, the consumption will be lowest with associated benefits. (Few who are hell-bent would've bought the day prior, but still I've seen many of my colleagues going dry that day).
Is Oct 2 dry day in TN too? They can preferably have other dry days too (on all national / local holidays, for example, when the consumption tends to go up steeply)
Another very simple thing that Govt can do is to close any drinking in tasmac stores - only sell and ask people to drink in their homes. There'll be a lot more moderation / control that way with this very simple measure. (Again there could be culprits who try to drink in public places and elsewhere other than homes and that will have to be dealt with, but at least for those who want to be law-abiding, this will be a moderating deterrent)
Ofcourse, Govt will think about any measure only if they believe that "குடி நாட்டுக்குக்கேடு". The current thinking seems to be otherwise:-(
yeah. And shops with "bar facility" are quite visible and they could atleast stop with selling and do lesser damage.
Oct2nd is an announced dry day with lesser compliance. After all Oct 2nd itself has become is an annual ritual celebrated, if i can say that, out of compulsion. Mahathma's name & pictures are hardly seen now (even replaced) and his ideals extinct long back.
following two problems:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
1) more number of people will be lying the streets...
2) just imagine if people start drinking in their house..
a. children and neighbours will get affected etc.
MrIndia,
Can't agree on your #1 as we don't see as many lying on roads in Kerala or elsewhere where people consume alcohal at homes. Only when they drink in tasmac, they can pass out on the way:-) It'll be the other way around, less # of people lying on the road.
On point 2 - that the children are watching could be a big deterrent to many to stop the habit. I know many people who will choose not to drink at all, just to avoid the risk of being seen by the kids (or go to upstairs / basement etc to do it in more private settings). Overall, the consumption will be a lot more moderate than in such situations where so-called-friends encourage to take more pegs in a bar.
App, there is this side-effect w.r.t point 2: I personally know a couple of guys, who picked up drinking and they claim their dad's habit of drinking at home forced them to this.. People who are in the age group of 16-21 are very vulnerable to these things and seeing their dads do that at home will be like a license for them. Also most kudimagans don't care or don't bother about drinking in front of their chidren if they are not toddlers !
Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
most of them will drink on the way to their home i.e streets.
one more thing , wife will get a beating to prepare side dish for the drink :?
ok, as an alternative to the suggestion to force-drink-at-home, let's suggest this way:
Have a rule that the selling place and drinking place should be at least 200 meter away:-) That way no dynamic supply from the store. And also, close the store at, say 6 PM. That could be a "moderating" factor.
(Obviously TN is not going to follow any of the suggestions above, still "ஒரு சமூகப்பொறுப்புணர்வு தான்":-))
nice..
still some practical thoughts may be applied.
why people drink?
a) to get high... this we cant control...
b) kavalaiya marakanum-nu... there shud be more advertisements of psychiatric medicines and stress relievers and how they can use it effectively.
c) friends and for company sake.. more awareness of drinking effects and having fruit beer(0% alcohol) in liquor shops..
d) under age drinking... police shud be more effective on this
:?
why people drink?
another reason is the supposedly "macho" image attached to it. In Kerala, this is a very common saying 'ஆணானெங்கில் அதொக்கெ வேணம்' and I've seen one young wife with a baby lamenting after her husband became an alcoholic as to how she is partly responsible in encouraging him / defending him in front of parents / in-laws on this. In reality, there's nothing manly about drinking ( if we go by "Raiders of the lost ark", women may have more "capacity":-)) and it may even result in 'ஆண்மைக்கோளாறு'. Unfortunately neither men nor (young) women seem to realize this until it's too late.
http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Kumu...07-02/pg29.php
From this article:
பூசாரிப்பட்டியில் `சாராயம் காய்ச்சமாட்டோம். இனி, திருந்தி வாழ்றோம்' என்று சொன்ன 44 குடும்பங்களுக்கு முன்பிருந்த காவல்துறை அதிகாரி ஒருவர் பேங்கில் லோன் வாங்கிக்கொடுத்தார். அந்த நேரம் பாத்து அவரை டிரான்ஸ்ஃபர் பண்ணிட்டாங்க. அதுக்கப்புறம் வந்த அதிகாரி, அவங்க திருந்தறதுக்காக எடுத்த போட்டோவை வச்சுக்கிட்டு அவங்களை மறுபடியும் வியாபாரம் பண்ண தூண்டிவிட்டுட்டாரு. இப்ப அவங்களால வெளிய வந்து வேற தொழிலும் செய்ய முடியாத அளவுக்கு காவல்துறையே தூண்டி விடுற அதிபயங்கர துரும்புகளாக ஆயிட்டாங்க.புதுக்கோட்டை மாவட்டம் கருக்காக்குறிச்சி, வடகாடு உட்பட பல கிராமங்களில் சாராயம் காய்ச்சுபவர்களுக்கும் இந்த நிலைதான்'' என்கிறார்கள்..
As brought out by app_engine, the easy availability as also the freedom to drink at comfortable place needs to be taken away strictly. The facility to drink at the shops has no doubt improved upon the visiting numbers and they are also removed of a psychological embrassment or uneasiness which they may face in their house or other places. This is adding fuel to the fire.
It is really sad that those who do physical labour have been misguided that if they take recourse to drinking, they will be relieved of their body pain/work longer hours and will be on a high.
& it is also seen that the drivers of cabs/lorries chat or boast of that they could drive without rest for days courtesy...... which causes lot of accidents also.
There should be regular and repeated advt/information on the ill effects of this and efforts should be taken in a cohesive manner involving Govt/media/public. Well, for once, media can try be constructive.
It will be a mind boggling task but for the sake of gullible populace, someone has to bell the cat and make atleast future generatations not fall prey to this evil.
http://kumudam.com/magazine/Reporter...08-03/pg12.php
Looks like liquor related industries are the most efficient to come up and operate:-(
Even though the above is a sensationalist report (I wonder who are the workers in this construction project, do they bring all of them from far-far-away kingdoms?), the very possibility that such industries can spring up so fast while every other project will be fought tooth-and-nail by opposition means something really bad for people.
டாஸ்மாக் பணியாளர்களுக்கு 20% போனஸ்.
http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?...ate=10/17/2008
அவர்களது சங்கம் தமிழக அரசுக்கு நன்றி சொல்லுவதிலிருந்து:
" தினம் 13 மணிநேரம் பணி, வார விடுமுறையின்றி மிகச் சிரமமான சூழ்நிலையில் பணிபுரிந்து, ஆண்டுக்கு ரூ.12 ஆயிரம் கோடி லாபம் ஈட்டித்தரும் இந்த பணியாளர்களுக்கு 20 சதவீதத்திற்கும் அதிகமான போனஸ் வழங்கியிருக்க வேண்டும்"
12,000 கோடி லாபம் (அப்போ மொத்த வருமானம் இன்னும் பல மடங்கு) = குடிமகன்களின் குடும்ப நாசம்:-(
http://dinamalar.com/fpnnews.asp?News_id=2137&cls=row3
Disturbing article:-(
(100 cr sale of liquor on just diwali day in TN, and ever increasing sales by tasmac)