Dhoni ready for Test captaincy: Kirsten :smokesmirk: :smokesmirk:
http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2008/sep/02dhoni.htm
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Dhoni ready for Test captaincy: Kirsten :smokesmirk: :smokesmirk:
http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2008/sep/02dhoni.htm
Kumble should pave way for Dhoni, says Akram
Anil Kumble has rendered a yeoman service to the Indian cricket team but it's time for the seasoned leg-spinner to quit and pass the Test captaincy to Mahendra Singh Dhoni, feels former Pakistan skipper Wasim Akram.
After India coach Gary Kirsten said that Dhoni is ready for Test captaincy, Akram echoed the view and said Kumble should quit at the top of his form, passing over the Test captaincy to Dhoni.
"I respect Anil for what he has achieved. He has done enough for India and I think it's time for him to take a bow at a time when he is still counted as one of the best," Akram told Mobile ESPN.
Though Kirsten said Dhoni's anointment as Test captain should not be rushed, for Kumble was doing a fine job, Akram felt the veteran spinner should not prolong his retirement and call it quits at a time when he is still regarded among the best in the business.
"Dhoni is the man" to replace Kumble, said Akram.
Thoroughly impressed by Dhoni's leadership qualities, Akram pointed out India's string of good shows under the star stumper-batsman and also referred to how Dhoni remodelled himself from a hard-hitting batsman to a middle-order mainstay.
Akram in fact went on to say that Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik should take a leaf out of Dhoni's book and learn how to lead from the front.
http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2008/sep/03akram.htm
Congrats Dhoni!
Dhoni, Yuvraj make India proud at ICC awards
Posted at Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:09 IST
Dubai, Sep 11: Indian ODI captain, Mahendra Singh Dhoni, earned laurels for the country as he bagged the ODI Player of the Year award at the annual ICC awards function here.
Another feather was added in the country's cap as ICC honoured the magical six sixes spell cast by Yuvraj Singh who won the Twenty20 International Performance of the Year Award.
However, pacer Ishant Sharma missed out his award to Sri Lankan mystery spinner Ajantha Medis. Medis took the Emerging Player of the Year Award.
West Indies' Mr. Dependable Shivnarine Chanderpaul was adjudged Cricketer of the Year after a fine performance in Tests as well limited over cricket while South African fast bowler Dale Steyn earned the Test Cricketer of the Year Award.
Dhoni bagged the trophy despite tough competition from team-mate Sachin Tendulkar, Australian fast bowler Nathan Bracken and Pakistan stalwart Mohammad Yousuf.
Yuvraj was deservedly honoured for his stupendous six sixes in an over off Englishman Stuart Broad in the inaugural Twenty20 World Championship in South Africa last year.
On 19 September last during a Twenty20 World Championship match against England in Durban, Yuvraj smashed every delivery of the 19th over off England's Staurt Broad beyond the boundary rope, in the process registering a 12-ball half-century and putting his team on course for victory.
It was the first time a player had hit six sixes in a single Twenty20 International over. Herschelle Gibbs did it in an ODI during the ICC Cricket World Cup 2007 in the West Indies while Garry Sobers became the first batsman to achieve the feat during a first-class match back in 1968.
During the voting period, Dhoni played 39 ODIs and scored 1,298 runs at an average of 49.92 and at a rate of 82.46 runs per 100 balls faced. In that time, he hit a century and nine fifties making sure he led his team from the front.
Dhoni also effected 62 dismissals (46 catches and 16 stumpings) as wicketkeeper, which is almost twice as many as the next best, albeit having played more matches than any other keeper.
He is currently ranked number one in the Reliance Mobile ICC Player Rankings for ODI batsmen.
Ryan ten Doeschate of the Netherlands won the ICC Associate Player of the Year award.
Sri Lanka Team bagged ICC Spirit of Cricket award for second year in row. Australia's Simon Taufel won fifth straight ICC Umpire of the Year award.
Tendulkar, however, found a place in the 12-man World ODI Team of the Year for the second year running, along with his captain Dhoni. Tendulkar was chosen along with Herschelle Gibbs of South Africa for the openers slot in the team led by Australia's Ricky Ponting who got the leadership position for second year in a row and named in the team for third year running.
The 12-man squad was chosen by a specially-appointed selection panel chaired by West Indian batting legend Clive Lloyd.
Virender Sehwag is the only Indian included in the 12-man World Test Team of the Year led by South African Graeme Smith.
In other awards, Simon Taufel of Australia won the Umpire of the Year Award for the fifth year in a row.
For the best cricketer award, Chanderpaul had to fight off tough competition from Sri Lankan captain Mahela Jayawardena as well as South Africans Graeme Smith and Dale Steyn to become the fifth player to win the coveted Sir Garfield Sobers Trophy.
The West Indian crisis man follows the footsteps of India's Rahul Dravid (2004), Andrew Flintoff of England and South Africa s Jacques Kallis (joint winners in 2005) and Ricky Ponting of Australia (2006, 2007) to take the top award.
For the Test Player of the Year, Steyn beat off Chanderpaul, Jayawardene and Proteas team-mate Jacques Kallis to win the first ICC award of his career.
Congrats annan Dhoni!! Annanukku Jai!
There's something about Dhoni
There's something about Mahendra Singh Dhoni. His detractors call it luck, :evil: but whatever it is, it has worked. Twice this year, he has been told about half an hour before a Test that he will have to lead the side, and twice India have won comprehensively under him. If in Mohali, as he admitted, he was lucky to win the toss; in Kanpur, India won despite batting last on a crumbling spinners' paradise. If at all, he has been lucky that his players have produced special performances: Sourav Ganguly and VVS Laxman conducted a workshop on batting on bad pitches in Kanpur, and Dhoni got special performances from nine of the players in Mohali.
His 100% win record is safe but Dhoni isn't shouting triumphantly from the rooftops just yet. "Playing [just] one Test and hitting a half century, you get an average of 50. So is the case if you hit a 100," Dhoni said, moments after securing India's biggest victory in terms of runs. "Your performance is counted over a longer duration of the game. I got my chance here but it was a team effort."
Dhoni, however, has the Midas touch and it was summed up best when he asked the debutant Amit Mishra to go round the stumps in the last over of the second day. Mishra bowled an accurate wrong'un to trap Michael Clarke in front and one was reminded of the ploy to give Joginder Sharma the final over of the World Twenty20 final. But Dhoni, to the amusement of all present, only said, "Fluke tha yaar [It was a fluke]."
What wasn't a fluke, though, was how Dhoni batted. He infused urgency into India's mindset with his aggressive approach and timely changes to the batting order. He had batted defensively in Bangalore and failed miserably, but in Mohali, he hooked his first ball for four - a statement that he wanted to make amends.
"It was a perfect scenario," Dhoni said. "We had got off to a good start on a good batting track and the ball was old. I think that suited my form of batting because that is my strength. In between, if there is a situation, I can go back [on the defensive] like the Lord's innings."
"But I should play the kind of cricket that I play more often, and that is aggressive cricket. In between I was not really playing my natural game, thinking more about the scenario and conditions. I need to play to my strength which is going out there looking to score runs. 8-) It is not only about hitting, it's about being fractionally more positive than others."
There was a beautiful moment after the completion of India's 320-run win. While everybody rushed to grab a stump as a souvenir, Ganguly merely walked up to congratulate his team-mates. Dhoni gave the man playing his last series, and also a centurion in this match, the stump he had taken for himself.
Dhoni later revealed that watching Ganguly was the most special part of this Test. "Sourav's getting to 7000 was very special. This is his last series and he is just going out and enjoying the game. He doesn't have any sort of pressure and that's how you want him to play. Sourav at his best, when he is playing his shots, is very different to others." And Ganguly, on his part, has played outstanding innings in both the Tests that Dhoni has captained.
Keeping calm on the field is quickly becoming Dhoni's signature, and he kept his cool off it as well, when a couple of potentially explosive questions were put to him. He was asked about his players' behaviour during the Test - Zaheer Khan was fined 80% of his match fee - and whether overtly aggressive sledging was the only way to beat Australia. "The only way to beat Australia is to play good consistent cricket," was Dhoni's response. "If it was verbal we would have had hired a few guys who are very good in that aspect." :P The reporters, if looking for a controversial quote, could only smile in resignation.
Dhoni was also asked to explain his appeal for a catch against Mitchell Johnson, one that he had taken on the bounce. Dhoni had appealed but straightaway asked the umpire to call the third umpire because he was not sure. Ricky Ponting was asked a similar question after the Sydney Test and he responded angrily asking the journalist whether he was questioning his integrity. Dhoni's response, however, was different. "I was not sure about the catch so I immediately got up and asked the umpire [gestures as if referring a decision to the third umpire], and Rudi [Koertzen] said that he [Johnson] never nicked it. So there was no point," Dhoni said.
"There are times when the ball bounces in front of you and you are not really sure. Your eyes are closed at times but when you feel hard [impact] on the gloves, you think it has carried to you. Since, in this series, it is not about players, it is ultimately the umpire's decision whether to refer to the third umpire or not." :lol:
His jokes apart, it was a perfect match for Dhoni. He won the toss and batted India to a dominant position in the first innings, almost all his bowling changes seemed to work, and, most importantly, he brought a ruthless touch to India's approach while setting a target.
However, like he did in Kanpur, Dhoni was wearing Anil Kumble's blazer when he went out for the toss. "Stand-in captain, stand-in blazer," Dhoni said. The way he is going they might need to stitch one for him soon. 8-) 8-)
http://content-eap.cricinfo.com/indv...ry/374904.html
MSD is the single most powerful man in indian team now..........but he is the most controversial and most opposed too.......the opposition he has from some quarters are more than wat even pakistani players faced once from indian fans :P ........i feel sorry for MSD's detractors, he is just making a mockery of their attacks and their fav stars :)
Why, in recent times, Dhoni is not performing well when he is not a Captain? / What is his best knock in Tests when playing under Kumble?
can reply to data, not to perceptions :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
M.S.Dhoni has become the Test captain :notworthy: he is easily the second most popular cricketer in the country 8-) .......all the best Dhoni :thumbsup:
win the series 2-0 :thumbsup: ATB
sure :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
A Kumble (as a Captain) - 10 403 57 26.86 (Mts Runs Best Avg)
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...;type=allround
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...d;view=innings
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Dhoni as a captain (when kumble is injured) & he was a ODI captain:
2 192 92 96.00
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...;type=allround
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Dhoni as ODI captain - 36 1316 109* 54.83
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...;type=allround
Dhoni's ODI career so far: 120 3793 183* 47.41
Data I collected after 2007 WC i.e., under Kumble's captaincy... when he had a definite chance to be a captain for Test also
It's actually a terrific and enviable "dubious" record to have as with most players its the other way roundQuote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
P.S: Dhoni himself admitted in a recent interview that ever since he assumed captaincy he was been getting too cautious in his approach and that he should persist with his natural game :thumbsup: (a complaint voiced by myself, nerd, feddy etc)
What I meant is, his performance is not the same when playing under Kumble, after he became ODI captain.Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
What i understood is, "If u make me test Captain, then i'll play well in tests.. or else only in ODI's i'll score some not out 50's etc. to make the team to win which I am captaining"
Overall test record: 32 1614 148 35.86 (M R B Avg)
If we exclude the runs he got under kumble's captaincy his avg is 40.36
(A Kumble (as a Captain) - 10 403 57 26.86 (Mts Runs Best Avg) )
If we really get into the stats.. we need to compare Dhoni's test performance with other Top order players under Kumble's captaincy to get the real picture.
For a sample I collected the Data for Sachin under Kumble's captaincy:
Sachin (under Kumble) - 12 904 154* 45.20 (M R B Avg)
While doing this, i found one thing, that Dhoni skipped India tour to sri Lanka & this was the series where our batsmens avg are affected (sachin's avg is 15+ in 3 tests :P )
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...;type=allround
karthik - he has played just two tests as a captain and he did extremely well in one of em - to compare it with ten test matches is :?
anyways he is captain now, so :P
Yes... no issues about this, he makes the team to win!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by directhit
Not comparing his test record as a captain & non-captain post 2007 WC...Quote:
Originally Posted by directhit
I was thinking myself (for long time) How he cud play very well in ODI's & not even half of that in test matches of the same series & people blame someone like Kumble for test defeats (who gives 100% for the team)
R_R - first of all ODIs and Tests are different roles for him. In ODI say atleast 40-50% of matches he gets to bat from overs 25-40/50 and he needs to score, his options are more. as for tests and blames - his primary role in test matches is as that of a WK IMO - blame him if he dropped catches/stumpings (Srilankan tour wud show how good a WK MSD is/was). again am not saying he neednt score, but the no of tests u've taken is far too less. who knows you might see a similar string of 20-30 scores from him post captaincy too :?Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
ppl are blaming kumble not only coz his field placings were defensive but also coz he wasnt taking wickets. if he did dont think there wud have been many complaints. as for kumble giving 100%, i guess all of em in the team gives 100% except maybe munaf :P
Anoop.. freeya vidunga.. I am not a Dhoni hater / Kumble lover.
Maddy.. Data's kettaru.. innaikku velai illai.. sari idhai pannuvoamnu search pannaen :)
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Just I want to add one more sample:
This was the stats of a player who was made to retire (AFAIK) & it is Sourav ganguly under Kumble:
Sourav - 14 1086 239 43.44 (M R B Avg)
he too had a pathetic 16 as his bat avg in SL series.
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...;type=allround
solradhellam sollittu, appuram enna :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
2 matches and 10 matches is not a fair comparison......reminds me of the joke my dad always says.......in a village of 2 men and 1 women, 50% of men marry 100% of women......Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
he has scored his highest score under someone else.........good......if u look at his first 36 matches, when he was not a captain:Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
36 1153 183* 52.40
if you remember he was no.4,5 in ganguly team rather than no.6,7 as now........so, he was dismissed more times than he is now since he comes last while batting..........so, average does shoot up now bcos of notouts........
this is itself shows its a perception issue.....after 2007 WC, we had no clue that Dhoni had a chance for test captaincy............there is a perception thatQuote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
1. Dhoni is selfish and plays well only under his own captaincy,
2. he is haughty and talks rudely abt seniors in press,
3. he doesent respect seniors and treats them badly,
4. he doesent like Sachin Tendulkar and waiting to axe him,
5. he is a great politician and divides the team unity to rule it easily.
there is no way in the world, we(dhoni admirers) can remove these perceptions...... there is also a underlying reason for Dhoni bashing both in HUB and in general in the country.....if revelaed, will hurt lot of people....so let me avoid quoting that reason........
i thot it was a complaint coupled with character assasination than a concern that happened few monhts ago....Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
I don't have any particular reason to hate Dhoni or anything like that. Just a little annoyed that he is getting disproportionate applause. ovErA Eththi viduradhA thOnudhu. That is all. I won't labour to find concrete reasons. (As I quoted GM from Karna: unnai pudikkala dA...adhunAla adikkiren dA)
I think it may all boil down to a dislike for someone who plays a hoick over the covers with both feet in the air. Means vs. ends and all such aesthetic finickiness :-)
PR, Dhoni is getting too much of applause because of the T20 world champion title. Again T20 was won without the Fab Five. :D
only 2 were there!!!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Kumble retire aagalainna... innum konjam stats adhigama kedachirukkum :)
For me too!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Even I supported / Liked Chennai super kings rather than Mumbai Indians in IPL
:wave:
I am not particularly fond of T20 - as I already mentioned. adhai ellAm serious-A eduththukuradhu illai.Quote:
Originally Posted by leosimha
Next there will be a book cricket world cup etc. Suresh Naina will be captain. Young blood same blood -nu cover story ellAm ezhudhuvaainga.
It is a format that really challenges the technical acumen of the players and the captain. You need to adapt the flipping techniques on the fly factoring in the texture of pages, tuning the nimbleness of the flipping fingers etc. The dynamics of the format demand the quick thinking and level headed youngsters like Raina, M.Vijay are best suited for adaptive play.The world cup victory assures us that we can confidently think of the change of the old guard as the future of Indian cricket is in safe hands
:rotfl:
Chancey illa PR :rotfl: :rotfl:
:rotfl:
Typo... but still I :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Tank yu
HR, typo ellAm illai. How can one let Naina, oothappam etc. pass by :-)
:lol: :rotfl: Infact PR, after Modi being the brain behind the T20 IPL, you are the brain behind the book cricket world cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
whatever said and done, I am looking forward to the 4th test match of Ind-Aus in Nagpur under Dhoni's captaincy. Captain Cool will be at his best, I wish. :D
Please to meet yu.. i am ramasamy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Book cricket = T20 cricket.......i think thats a lame comparison to bring down Dhoni's achievement..........infact all accusations on Dhoni are very lame and getting more lame by the day........the best thing is he has made one of the most thinking hubbers come up with a lame comparison......:notworthy: Thats DHoni for ya :thumbsup:
then why did you make a observation?? :huh: edhavadhu vendudhala???Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
are you saying this to urself or me or to the hub as a whole?? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
sorry guys for being pertinent on this issue..........IMHO, Dhoni doesent deserve this kind of hatred and belittlement of his achievements for only sin that he committed - to make BCCI team win consistently.........
and since i see sachin fans only bashing DHoni, i ask this -- Dhoni vera pannanum?? should he build a temple for sachin and declare that he is a dhoosu in front of sachin??? :huh: enna dhaan paa unga prachannai??
someone tell me - PR or CR or Feddy, nerd, or LM or HR - yaaravadhu sollungappa....:huh:
:lol: :rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
leave it maddy.
it is not accusations on dhoni, but it is that people are jealous of Dhoni that he has achieved at a very young age. this had happened to Mr. Kapil Dev also.
you very well know it. :D
Sachin - Bheeshma Pitamah of World Cricket. Don Bradman, Gary Sobers, Vivian Richards is nothing in front of Sachin. ippadi thaan edhavadhu dhoni sollannum or we, who appreciate Dhoni, should say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Maddy
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Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram
Oh, ivangaloda "performance" pathiyum theriyuma ungalukku? :notworthy: :oops: :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by leosimha
ivangaloda performance much better than sachin so called "performance". :DQuote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
neengathane.. can reply to data & not perception-nu sonneenga :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
Dhoni is the Captain of T20 WC wining team = Fact
Dhoni under Kumble has not played well in tests compared to Dhoni as a captain in ODI = Fact
Data-na irukkuradhu mattumthan varum .. nan enna adhula oozhal-ah panna mudiyum :P
"last song listened" madhiri "last IPL team i supported" nu vechukkanga..Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
adha yarukkellam theriyapadhutha post panromo adhumadhiri
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
illa CR, sachin-oda 12K runs-a nakkal panna summa iruppela??? Dhoni's T20 world cup win has been ridiculed so many times unfairly......and now people are suggesting that he plays well only under his own captaincy.......btw, i'm not going to react hereafter abt unfair accusations......just wanted to let ppl. know that he has some support here..........Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be
Maddy,Quote:
Originally Posted by MADDY
neenga solradhu eppadi theriyuma irukku.. neenga kelungalen... :razz:
Its the other way round. Perspective ellam naasama pochu thanks to the rediff/TOIlet/ndtv/ibn/aajtak quickie mindset...
vekka vendiya edathula edhayum vekkadhadhunala varra reaksans dhaan idhu.. so, kostins naanga firste kettutom.. naanga dhaan kekanum!
:lol: adhu unmai dhaan.....aaana throughout the country, i felt(delhi-la meeting ponadhukku apparum) that accusations being levelled at Dhoni are not fair enuf...........vekka vendiyavanga yaaru bala?? dhoni-a BCCI-a??? yaar mela irukkura kovathha yaar mela kaaturadhu :)Quote:
Originally Posted by crajkumar_be